2014 Offseason Thread - Page 62 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

yahyes · 07-15-2014, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

I don't think Lewis has enough impact to mean anyone is leaving. He'll be on the fringe of the rotation, I would think.

True. But I would like him to be Dirk's main backup later into the season. Let the young guys get it going first. Get a rotation going.

NeedlesKane · 07-15-2014, 11:44 PM

Will the Mavericks stop at 15 players, or should they sign 16 or 17 and let them battle it out during training camp?

sefant77 · 07-15-2014, 11:47 PM

They wanted to stop at #14 and let one spot open for later...

But i also thought they want to bring Sarge back. Sarge and 2.7m guy makes it #15

sefant77 · 07-15-2014, 11:47 PM

They wanted to stop at #14 and let one spot open for later...

But i also thought they want to bring Sarge back. Sarge and 2.7m guy makes it #15

fluid.forty.one · 07-15-2014, 11:48 PM

Every time I look at the roster and start to get excited, Felton becomes such a wet blanket. I'm not a fan of Mo at all, but I would be much, much more comfortable with him and Harris.

Underdog · 07-16-2014, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by alby

Legit signing. 13 guys committed so far.

Felton/Harris/Mekel
Ellis/Ledo
Parsons/Crowder/Jefferson
Nowitzki/Wright/Lewis
Chandler/Smith

Rick Carlisle has to be drooling over his options.

tap2390 · 07-16-2014, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by yahyes

Nah, I think it stashes Greg Smith at the end of the bench. He's got a lot of learning to do. Possibly Wright and Smith will be competing for playing time.

I disagree. I think Smith will be the primary 5 backup and get significant minutes. I also think he's best backup 5 we've had in a looooooong time (ahead of Haywood, Mahinmi, etc.).

yahyes · 07-16-2014, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

I disagree. I think Smith will be the primary 5 backup and get significant minutes. I also think he's best backup 5 we've had in a looooooong time (ahead of Haywood, Mahinmi, etc.).

Too early to tell. I want him getting big minutes in preseason to see. That way Carlisle has a good observation how to work with him. If he fits into some type of role. I wouldn't mind he play a lot the first 40 games. Which leaves the older vets to get more time after all-star break. But it all varies on his way of production.

Vinsanity · 07-16-2014, 03:53 AM

Is it possible for us to just waive Mekel? The guy won't see the floor at all next season with Felton/Harris and especially when (if) we get Mo Williams... I just don't see the point in carrying him on the roster. And he's not even playing well in the summer league right now. To put it nicely, I don't think he's an NBA caliber player. Oh and the fact that he is a back-to-back Isreal league MVP reallllyy makes me wonder what that league is like. I'm betting I'm better than half of the players...

But anyways, we should just assign him to the d-league and get another veteran FA. We're in win now mode and he serves no purpose on this team.

Vinsanity · 07-16-2014, 03:54 AM

Is it possible for us to just waive Mekel? The guy won't see the floor at all next season with Felton/Harris and especially when (if) we get Mo Williams... I just don't see the point in carrying him on the roster. And he's not even playing well in the summer league right now. To put it nicely, I don't think he's an NBA caliber player. Oh and the fact that he is a back-to-back Isreal league MVP reallllyy makes me wonder what that league is like. I'm betting I'm better than half of the players...

But anyways, we should just assign him to the d-league and get another veteran FA. We're in win now mode and he serves no purpose on this team.

jthig32 · 07-16-2014, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by yahyes

Nah, I think it stashes Greg Smith at the end of the bench. He's got a lot of learning to do. Possibly Wright and Smith will be competing for playing time.

They may be competing for time, but it can't mean Smith is on the end of the bench unless they're bringing in another backup center. Wright can't be the only backup center due to matchup issues.

If they go into the season with Tyson/Wright/Smith as their only centers, they must be comfortable with Smith playing pretty much every single game.

HopeIsAlwaysThere · 07-16-2014, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Vinsanity

Is it possible for us to just waive Mekel? The guy won't see the floor at all next season with Felton/Harris and especially when (if) we get Mo Williams... I just don't see the point in carrying him on the roster. And he's not even playing well in the summer league right now. To put it nicely, I don't think he's an NBA caliber player. Oh and the fact that he is a back-to-back Isreal league MVP reallllyy makes me wonder what that league is like. I'm betting I'm better than half of the players...

But anyways, we should just assign him to the d-league and get another veteran FA. We're in win now mode and he serves no purpose on this team.

Mekel is playing good in the summer league, I bet you just base on his stats...

jay3189 · 07-16-2014, 06:20 AM

I am pretty content with the Rashard Lewis pickup. We got ourselves a 6'10 small forward/power forward who can still shoot the 3 ball. After losing Jose and Vince, we needed someone who can shoot 3's besides Dirk, Parsons, and Crowder. I just worry about our power forward rotation on defense with Dirk, Rashard, and Brandan. Dirk and Rashard are not enforcers at all, and Brandan can get pushed around easily because he is very slim, on the flip side, thanks to Brandan's athletic ability, he can jump and block shots. But we will see how that rotation works out on defense

jay3189 · 07-16-2014, 06:21 AM

I hope we only get Mo Williams if we release or trade Raymond Felton. We have 3 point guards already

Skywalker · 07-16-2014, 06:26 AM

Lance to the Hornets, 3/27 last year being a team option. Not a bad deal imo.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/201...l#.U8UTqpRdWYE

Edit: apparently he was going to sign a 2/20 deal with Mavs if we didnt get Parsons

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/...7-million-deal

tap2390 · 07-16-2014, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Skywalker

Lance to the Hornets, 3/27 last year being a team option. Not a bad deal imo.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/201...l#.U8UTqpRdWYE

Edit: apparently he was going to sign a 2/20 deal with Mavs if we didnt get Parsons

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/...7-million-deal

Kemba / Ridnour
Lance/ Henderson
MKG / M. Williams / Hairston
Al / Vonleh
Zeller / Byombo

I've seen worse rosters. Wonder if they'd be interested in Felton...

alby · 07-16-2014, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

Kemba / Ridnour
Lance/ Henderson
MKG / M. Williams / Hairston
Al / Vonleh
Zeller / Byombo

I've seen worse rosters. Wonder if they'd be interested in Felton...

In the east, that's a top 6 roster.

alby · 07-16-2014, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

They may be competing for time, but it can't mean Smith is on the end of the bench unless they're bringing in another backup center. Wright can't be the only backup center due to matchup issues.

If they go into the season with Tyson/Wright/Smith as their only centers, they must be comfortable with Smith playing pretty much every single game.

Anyone know how Ivan Johnson has looked in SL? He could be a great third/fourth big man. Strong guy that does the dirty work.

dirt_dobber · 07-16-2014, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

they must be comfortable with Smith playing pretty much every single game.

this.

Due to some comments from MC - we have wanted him for a couple of years. I can't wait to see him in action for us. He supposed to not have much of a game from more than 5ft from the basket but we have plenty of scoring on the floor - just go get us some boards!

dalmations202 · 07-16-2014, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

Signing Lewis indicates to me that Wright is on his way out.
Anyone else get that impression?

I think Dallas is a trade of Wright for Jason Terry and signing of Sarge and call it done and see what they can do.

I am not sure if Jason Terry burned his bridge back to here or not, but trading for Jason Terry (sharpshooter) seems like the last of it to me.

Just211 · 07-16-2014, 08:32 AM

Worst part about Lance goin to Hornets is it basically paves the way for LBJ to the finals... the Pacers are weaker, the Heat r basically replacing LBJ with Deng...and unless the Wiz or Nets step it up drastically or DRose finally returns at full strength (probably the only real challenger)
I wish Cubes could buy the Mavs one year in the East.....

Just211 · 07-16-2014, 08:32 AM

And Tolliver to the Suns.....

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-16-2014, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

They may be competing for time, but it can't mean Smith is on the end of the bench unless they're bringing in another backup center. Wright can't be the only backup center due to matchup issues.

If they go into the season with Tyson/Wright/Smith as their only centers, they must be comfortable with Smith playing pretty much every single game.

Smith is a pretty big x factor this season. The only thing that has really kept him back are injuries, but he can play. I remember specifically watching a Rockets game two seasons ago versus the Pacers where he had something like 18 points and 19 rebounds. Couldn't remember the guy's name since Houston overhauls their roster every season, but he was impressive.

Kante · 07-16-2014, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by alby

Anyone know how Ivan Johnson has looked in SL? He could be a great third/fourth big man. Strong guy that does the dirty work.

Awful!

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-16-2014, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Skywalker

Lance to the Hornets, 3/27 last year being a team option. Not a bad deal imo.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/201...l#.U8UTqpRdWYE

Edit: apparently he was going to sign a 2/20 deal with Mavs if we didnt get Parsons

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/...7-million-deal

So we pretty much would have had an awesome offseason either way. Shocking how underrated Stephenson has become, but hey, if he is a nutcase then so be it.

Male30Dan · 07-16-2014, 08:50 AM

So much for Stephenson. I feel that is going to be an absolute steal for Charlotte. Man - if all it took to get him was 9M, you really would think IF there was interest from Dallas that Indy would've been all over it to get Wright/filler/picks instead of just losing him outright like this. Punch in the gut for Bird for sure. Guess Dallas just had no post-Parsons interest as has been suggested - shame though.

Well, if we are going to make a similar trade at this point for someone significant it's likely at the PG position so, as was suggested yesterday, hopefully we are looking long and hard at putting a package together for Bledsoe/Rondo/someone similar revolving around the now much more available Wright (due to Lewis) and whatever other assets it takes to get it done.

Again, either of these starting lineups is awfully good if we can swing it:

Bledsoe/Rondo
Ellis
Parsons
Dirk
Chandler

If no trades are in the plans and we're just a veteran or two away from suiting up for 2014, I still think we've positioned ourselves for at least a 4 seed in the West (best Non-Spurs record potentially, possibly better if all things click) but man, I can't help myself from imagining what our roster would look like if we really decide to go for it via trade and somewhat mortgage our distant future for the present and short-term future.

I just think a team without a really elite 4 could REALLY find a lot of value in a guy like Wright (especially someone with a good rebounding/defensive 5 to help offset his weaknesses). Finding a team that has surplus in our area of need (backcourt) and trading from the depth behind our best player along with picks just seems to be a win/win for everyone involved.

We shall see how it plays out.

LonghornDub · 07-16-2014, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Male30Dan

So much for Stephenson. I feel that is going to be an absolute steal for Charlotte. Man - if all it took to get him was 9M, you really would think IF there was interest from Dallas that Indy would've been all over it to get Wright/filler/picks instead of just losing him outright like this. Punch in the gut for Bird for sure. Guess Dallas just had no post-Parsons interest as has been suggested - shame though.

Well, if we are going to make a similar trade at this point for someone significant it's likely at the PG position so, as was suggested yesterday, hopefully we are looking long and hard at putting a package together for Bledsoe/Rondo/someone similar revolving around the now much more available Wright (due to Lewis) and whatever other assets it takes to get it done.

Again, either of these starting lineups is awfully good if we can swing it:

Bledsoe/Rondo
Ellis
Parsons
Dirk
Chandler

If no trades are in the plans and we're just a veteran or two away from suiting up for 2014, I still think we've positioned ourselves for at least a 4 seed in the West (best Non-Spurs record potentially, possibly better if all things click) but man, I can't help myself from imagining what our roster would look like if we really decide to go for it via trade and somewhat mortgage our distant future for the present and short-term future.

I just think a team without a really elite 4 could REALLY find a lot of value in a guy like Wright (especially someone with a good rebounding/defensive 5 to help offset his weaknesses). Finding a team that has surplus in our area of need (backcourt) and trading from the depth behind our best player along with picks just seems to be a win/win for everyone involved.

We shall see how it plays out.

I wanted Lance even more than Parsons, but S&T'ing for him after Houston didn't match wouldn't have much much sense.

Male30Dan · 07-16-2014, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

I wanted Lance even more than Parsons, but S&T'ing for him after Houston didn't match wouldn't have much much sense.

I disagree, but it doesn't matter at this point. I am of the opinion having watched Ellis run our offense for much of last year in many situations (he dominates the ball a lot like Rondo does at times so, even with Calderon on the court, he still controlled the tempo many times) that, given the passing abilities of him, Stephenson and Parsons (not to mention Dirk) that we would have been just fine there to ultimately get the positive from Lance's defense, grit, rebounding and potential scoring. It would have just added a different dimension to our team that we won't have now and the expense would be the marginal drop in true PG abilities from Devin/Felton to Ellis (which, frankly, are not nearly as much of an issue as most seem to think - IMHO).

sefant77 · 07-16-2014, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by dalmations202

I think Dallas is a trade of Wright for Jason Terry and signing of Sarge and call it done and see what they can do.

I am not sure if Jason Terry burned his bridge back to here or not, but trading for Jason Terry (sharpshooter) seems like the last of it to me.

Thats a horrible trade for us in terms of value...just wait until the Kings buy him out in dec/jan

rabbitproof · 07-16-2014, 09:03 AM

The Dallas Mavericks had a two-year, $20 million offer on the table to Stephenson, contingent on the Houston Rockets matching their offer for forward Chandler Parsons. If Houston had matched, Stephenson would have signed with Dallas, sources said.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11...7-million-deal

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We were ready to go, also a bit desperate. We also definitely have our eyes on something in 2016. I'm afraid that means we will also only make a one year offer to Tyson next year.

I think we're done. Lewis fills the big with range hole (aka Janitor role). A guard with range (Mo/JET) and a swing defender (we need somebody to cover Durant/Westbrook/Harden/etc) would just about do it.

Male30Dan · 07-16-2014, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by rabbitproof

The Dallas Mavericks had a two-year, $20 million offer on the table to Stephenson, contingent on the Houston Rockets matching their offer for forward Chandler Parsons. If Houston had matched, Stephenson would have signed with Dallas, sources said.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11...7-million-deal

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We were ready to go, also a bit desperate. We also definitely have our eyes on something in 2016. I'm afraid that means we will also only make a one year offer to Tyson next year.

I think we're done. Lewis fills the big with range hole (aka Janitor role). A guard with range (Mo/JET) and a swing defender (we need somebody to cover Durant/Westbrook/Harden/etc) would just about do it.

Another shame to losing out on Stephenson - that guy could have been your starting SG... OK, I'll stop.

rabbitproof · 07-16-2014, 09:10 AM

Stephensen has early the 2014 version of Monta Ellis FA signing potential.

I would've liked to have him with CP but I don't think we could've brought him in via trade.

Melonhead · 07-16-2014, 09:17 AM

Not sure if I like the idea of 2016...would like to keep the core of dirk parsons chandler ellis

alby · 07-16-2014, 09:21 AM

I'm actually on the side of being glad we didn't pick up Lance.

Underdog · 07-16-2014, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by alby

I'm actually on the side of being glad we didn't pick up Lance.

Yeah, it would suck if the tail-end of Dirk's career was plagued with chemistry issues caused by a guy who already has a reputation of being a locker room cancer... Definitely not something you have to worry about with Parsons.

BGMaverick9 · 07-16-2014, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by alby

Anyone know how Ivan Johnson has looked in SL? He could be a great third/fourth big man. Strong guy that does the dirty work.

Have a blog going up about his assignment for the SL today.
Results have been very mixed.

sike · 07-16-2014, 10:00 AM

I'm extremely happy with CP, but would have LOVED to watch the Lance Crazy Train pull into Dallas.

That fool is going wreck the league this season.

In Dallas, under Rick's guidance, I'm betting that he would have grown up. In CHA, there is no telling what happens. Could be bad.

Anyway, YAY for Chandler Parsons!!

tap2390 · 07-16-2014, 10:01 AM

Put me down for one more wing defender. Could it be Eric Griffin? I haven't had the chance to watch the SL, but anyone have thoughts about him as an end of roster hustler/defender?

Melonhead · 07-16-2014, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

Put me down for one more wing defender. Could it be Eric Griffin? I haven't had the chance to watch the SL, but anyone have thoughts about him as an end of roster hustler/defender?

He's been the surprise of SL. High flyer he's been all over the place. BG said we play Charlotte at 1pm pt. I believe it's supposed to be on nbatv.

Mav Addict · 07-16-2014, 10:12 AM

It's nice to know that the MBT had a plan B in place in case CP was matched. Either player would have been an upgrade from the team we had last year.

I wanted Lance but not at the expense of CP, I'm greedy like Morey and wanted both.

Like someone mentioned above ....Who will guard the elite wings of the league? ...I know Jae can do it but he doesn't start.