Rodrigue Beaubois development thread - Page 62 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

b_o_r · 03-17-2012, 11:52 PM

March 25.2 4.7-9.3 .500 1.0-2.8 .360 1.9-2.3 .810 2.9 2.6 0.3 1.7 2.6 1.1 12.2

For the month March, Roddy is closing in on the 50/40/80 mark. Just have to find the rhythm on the 3 ball.

JET41 · 03-18-2012, 12:41 AM

Roddy B was great these past three games but one thing I hope he gets the hang on quickly is not getting ball hungry. lol ....it's kind of like with Russell Westbrook, when he makes the shot he just wants to keep shooting and that's what I saw from Roddy to day. I think Rick Carlisle notices as well, that's why he benched him in the end of the 4th quarter.

Besides that I think he played very great.

PS: Huge Russell Westbrook fan

clutch#41 · 03-18-2012, 01:21 AM

yeah another reason why carlisle pulled roddy was because of a minutes issue, or atleast thats what he said in his postgame comments

Froggie · 03-18-2012, 04:34 AM

Rodrigue Beaubois have a good consistency ! The lasts 4 matches :
@ Golden State : 12 pts , 4 rbds et 3 passes ( 3/5 shoot and 2/3 Ã* 3 pts )
Washington : 19 pts , 6 rbds 4 passes ( 8/14 )
Charlotte : 14 pts , 4 rbds , 3 passes ( 7/9 )
San Antonio : 16 pts , 8 rbds , 1 passe ( 8/16 )
Average: 15.25 pts , 5.5 rbds , 2.75 passes 60 % in shoot !

Well done, come on Roddy !

Underdog · 03-18-2012, 06:29 AM

Some high praise for Roddy after the Mavs beat the Spurs:

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"The way he handled pick-and-roll situations offensively and then defensively being inserted into the lineup to kind of contain Tony Parker was pretty darn good. He's out there playing confident, and when you're playing confident, good things will happen. For him, it's all about his decision-making and maintaining his aggressiveness. Tonight we fell into it [the starting lineup], obviously, because Shawn is out, but if this was a playoff series, could you foresee that lineup? I could. And that's something that we have to continue to look at." -- Jason Terry

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"It gives us another scorer, a guy who can defend, and he showed that he can rebound. He's developed. I think he's feeling very comfortable, and that's the biggest part." -- Jason Kidd

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"I love everything about Roddy right now" -- Rick Carlisle

AO41 · 03-18-2012, 07:51 AM

JETs comments SUCK

Obviously he is saying that HE (jet) shuld start in the playoffs and that Roddy sucks balls. Its soo obvious

Justafix · 03-18-2012, 08:14 AM

Hahaha

Btw, is Terry still making Roddy getting the doughnuts and such?

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-18-2012, 08:23 AM

Kidd praising Roddy's rebounding is certainly a big deal since not only does Roddy deserve it, but it comes from the best rebounding pg of all time. 4,4,6,4,8 are Roddy's rebounding numbers in the last five. Not bad for a scrawny 6'2 combo guard.

Justafix · 03-18-2012, 08:37 AM

Not a big deal.
Kidd praises Roddy all the time. He even once said Roddy could be better than him (careerwise) in that french docu a few pages back.

But yeah, he was tied for most-rebounds tonight with his 8 - a careerhigh.

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-18-2012, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Justafix

Not a big deal.
Kidd praises Roddy all the time. He even once said Roddy could be better than him (careerwise) in that french docu a few pages back.

But yeah, he was tied for most-rebounds tonight with his 8 - a careerhigh.

Kidd was obviously just being nice and optimistic when he said Roddy could have a better career than him. Kidd praising Roddy's recent rebounding is obviously more noteworthy and has more merit.

SeanL · 03-18-2012, 11:04 AM

I can't wait until we get deron williams. Then we'll rarely have to play Roddy at PG.

Budapest Maverick · 03-18-2012, 11:23 AM

Loved Roddy's mindset once again, i was especially impressed with his defense. That is why i think if he could develop more, he could be perfect next to a big PG (Deron?) because even when there is a switch, he'll do a great job defending the bigger player. When i watch the game, i'm actually waiting for the switch, because when the opponent sees there is a 6'2 guy on a SG, or SF, they instantly force the ball there, without realizing Roddy has unreal lateral quickness, and the length of a power forward, no need to say, usually those possessions work out great for us.

Back to the game, i didn't have a problem with the 4 three point attempts, well, 3 of them, i hated the heat check that ended up being an airball, especially last night when he was so hot from mid range. The Spurs packed the paint pretty well, he didn't have much room to go all the way, but his floaters, and mid range jumpers worked beautifully. That's 4 very good game in a row, and he gives us a different dimension, which this year, i think we desperately need, because of our offense. Let's hope he'll continue to play well.

mavs777 · 03-18-2012, 01:27 PM

Roddy missed some cutters, I think it was actually one of his worst games this month, if this is his "bad" game version than mavs will be very happy. He didn't get to the line once and scored 16 points on 16 shots which isn't good, good to see him get on the glass though.

j0Shi · 03-18-2012, 01:35 PM

Wasn't a particularly great game in all areas, but showed how it should work. Dirk, Terry, Kidd with great games, then add decent performances by role player (Roddy) and you're good.

Kid is still miles away from actually running the team, but his role is to score off the pick and roll and he has somehow made huge leaps in recent weeks in that regard.

Also think Caplan made a good point on ESPNDallas.com yesterday. Roddy should start as long as West is out. Carter should only be used as Marions backup going forward, just like Peja did last year. You can adjust PT based on performance to add to his total then.

j0Shi · 03-18-2012, 01:44 PM

Btw.: Roddy had a frontpage appearance last night on ESPN with Tony Parker

DavidDaMonkey · 03-18-2012, 01:44 PM

I'm really looking forward to seeing what a backcourt of West and Good Roddy can do on both ends.

On Defense, the two should be able to switch fairly interchangeably. Between the two of them, they should be able to handle a fair range of types of PG's and SG's.

On offense, both of their abilities to penetrate, along with their decision making (on good nights), should really open up the floor for each other, as well as for Dirk or VC to pop off some open 3's.

b_o_r · 03-22-2012, 09:28 AM

Must have a bounce back game against the Spurs. He needs to stop thinking when he shoots his jumper. He hit first 2 jumpers off the PNR hit with confidence (used his legs and kept his back straight). After those 2, he was off balance on most of his shots even though he was open.

He has upped his passing (especially in the interior) the last 2 games. He has been able to deliver the ball to Dirk in the post more frequently. He also been able to find Ian, Wright, and Odom close to the basket. Could of had 3 more assists-- Ian and Odom each blew a chip shot and Wright took his eye off the ball once but if he keeps finding them they will more often than not score.

Budapest Maverick · 03-22-2012, 03:11 PM

Yep, huge mixed bag from Roddy last night. Not his worst game by any means, but could have done much more damage, it's a shame because he started out the game so well.

mavsfan1000 · 03-31-2012, 04:53 AM

Too bad Carlisle took Roddy out of the mix again.

Budapest Maverick · 03-31-2012, 05:24 AM

I think it would be a good idea to start Roddy instead of Carter, our defense would be better, and Roddy always played his best in the scorer role, with Kidd on the floor. Too bad it's not gonna happen, it really doesn't matter what Roddy does, he played well in the last 3 weeks, helped us win games, he's still out of the rotation. From a team standpoint, i don't have a problem with West playing instead of him (they basically give you the same production on the court, Roddy is a better scorer, West is a little better passer, and the chemistry can be better with him) but he definitely should play before Carter, who absolutely plummeted after the good start.

j0Shi · 03-31-2012, 06:04 AM

Not sure about a starting gig. But agree that Vince time as starter has to end and that he should move to the backup SF role with West coming back from injury.

Then roll with Kidd/West, Terry/Roddy. Mix it up based on matchups, avoid the Jasons and Kiddois as much as possible and you're good.

markus1234 · 04-06-2012, 06:58 AM

Will Roddy B ever make the jump to being a very good player?

Sherrington: Great question. He's certainly not a point guard, or not the kind of point guard the Mavs need. He reminds me of Devin Harris. A one-man fast break. Dirk didn't play well with Harris, and he struggles with Roddy. It was very telling this year when Dirk said he had to basically ask for the ball. Not good. Roddy's shot is also unbelievably inconsistent. He can be a great 3-point shooter. And he can throw up an air ball on wide-open 6-footers. I just don't see it.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dal...eat-player.ece

dude1394 · 04-06-2012, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by markus1234

Will Roddy B ever make the jump to being a very good player?

Sherrington: Great question. He's certainly not a point guard, or not the kind of point guard the Mavs need. He reminds me of Devin Harris. A one-man fast break. Dirk didn't play well with Harris, and he struggles with Roddy. It was very telling this year when Dirk said he had to basically ask for the ball. Not good. Roddy's shot is also unbelievably inconsistent. He can be a great 3-point shooter. And he can throw up an air ball on wide-open 6-footers. I just don't see it.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dal...eat-player.ece

Sigh.. Just another hata'

Budapest Maverick · 04-06-2012, 08:25 AM

I'd love to see Dirk's numbers and efficiency, with, and without Roddy on the floor. I would do it, but i really have no idea where can i search for that. Joshi, would you kind enough to look it up, or at least show me where i can do that?

tcat075 · 04-06-2012, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by markus1234

Will Roddy B ever make the jump to being a very good player?

Sherrington: Great question. He's certainly not a point guard, or not the kind of point guard the Mavs need. He reminds me of Devin Harris. A one-man fast break. Dirk didn't play well with Harris, and he struggles with Roddy. It was very telling this year when Dirk said he had to basically ask for the ball. Not good. Roddy's shot is also unbelievably inconsistent. He can be a great 3-point shooter. And he can throw up an air ball on wide-open 6-footers. I just don't see it.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dal...eat-player.ece

I agree with everything he said except that Roddy and Dirk can't coexist. At times, yes, but I've seen moments where they've played off each other very well. Carlisle introducing the handoff option to Roddy on the baseline off of a Dirk post off was smart, because it's effective.

dude1394 · 04-06-2012, 09:58 AM

All this being said I think Sherrington is correct.

Underdog · 04-06-2012, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by tcat075

I agree with everything he said except that Roddy and Dirk can't coexist. At times, yes, but I've seen moments where they've played off each other very well. Carlisle introducing the handoff option to Roddy on the baseline off of a Dirk post off was smart, because it's effective.

I think "coexisting" is hyperbole, but "thriving" should definitely be the goal... We don't need Roddy to click with Dirk some of the time - we need him to click most of the time...

His #1 goal when running our offense should be to figure out how to make his teammates better when he's on the floor - right now he's only useful when he's looking to score, and that makes him (and our offense) fairly predictable.

markus1234 · 04-06-2012, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by tcat075

I agree with everything he said except that Roddy and Dirk can't coexist. At times, yes, but I've seen moments where they've played off each other very well.

Yes, I've also seen moments where Dirk was able to make those tough last sec. bail out shots

Roddy simply does not create good offense for Dirk. It is usually Dirk who feeds Roddy for a wide open shot...

mavs777 · 04-06-2012, 02:18 PM

Roddy's a quality piece but I think its time to move him to the 2 full time when he isn't thinking and looking to score and defend he is very valuable.

grndmstr_c · 04-06-2012, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by markus1234

Will Roddy B ever make the jump to being a very good player?

Sherrington: Great question. He's certainly not a point guard, or not the kind of point guard the Mavs need. He reminds me of Devin Harris. A one-man fast break. Dirk didn't play well with Harris, and he struggles with Roddy. It was very telling this year when Dirk said he had to basically ask for the ball. Not good. Roddy's shot is also unbelievably inconsistent. He can be a great 3-point shooter. And he can throw up an air ball on wide-open 6-footers. I just don't see it.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dal...eat-player.ece

The right answer is, ask me again next December. Booby's on track to finally get his chance at a full post-rookie season summer and training camp. If he comes back next year with the knowledge gained from having now amassed a full rookie season's worth of in-game minutes, with an improved midrange tool-box, and having rediscovered his three point shot so that he's prepared to punish opponents for going under the screen against him, I think he'll be poised to make a significant jump. I could care less about whether his development going forward tracks the "traditional" point guard model or not.

Oh, and one other comment on Sherrington's answer. Dirk didn't play well with Devin? That's just stupid. Dirk won the MVP, led the team to its best ever regular season finish, and its first ever finals appearance with Devin as the starting point guard.

mavsfan1000 · 04-06-2012, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

The right answer is, ask me again next December. Booby's on track to finally get his chance at a full post-rookie season summer and training camp. If he comes back next year with the knowledge gained from having now amassed a full rookie season's worth of in-game minutes, with an improved midrange tool-box, and having rediscovered his three point shot so that he's prepared to punish opponents for going under the screen against him, I think he'll be poised to make a significant jump. I could care less about whether his development going forward tracks the "traditional" point guard model or not.

Oh, and one other comment on Sherrington's answer. Dirk didn't play well with Devin? That's just stupid. Dirk won the MVP, led the team to its best ever regular season finish, and its first ever finals appearance with Devin as the starting point guard.

Great post.

DevinHarriswillstart · 04-06-2012, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

The right answer is, ask me again next December. Booby's on track to finally get his chance at a full post-rookie season summer and training camp. If he comes back next year with the knowledge gained from having now amassed a full rookie season's worth of in-game minutes, with an improved midrange tool-box, and having rediscovered his three point shot so that he's prepared to punish opponents for going under the screen against him, I think he'll be poised to make a significant jump. I could care less about whether his development going forward tracks the "traditional" point guard model or not.

Oh, and one other comment on Sherrington's answer. Dirk didn't play well with Devin? That's just stupid. Dirk won the MVP, led the team to its best ever regular season finish, and its first ever finals appearance with Devin as the starting point guard.

Oh the ownage your bring around here.

MavsFTR · 04-22-2012, 11:15 AM

Roddy showed some real toughness when he returned to play last night. I think that will be huge for him.

dude1394 · 04-22-2012, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

The right answer is, ask me again next December. Booby's on track to finally get his chance at a full post-rookie season summer and training camp. If he comes back next year with the knowledge gained from having now amassed a full rookie season's worth of in-game minutes, with an improved midrange tool-box, and having rediscovered his three point shot so that he's prepared to punish opponents for going under the screen against him, I think he'll be poised to make a significant jump. I could care less about whether his development going forward tracks the "traditional" point guard model or not.

Oh, and one other comment on Sherrington's answer. Dirk didn't play well with Devin? That's just stupid. Dirk won the MVP, led the team to its best ever regular season finish, and its first ever finals appearance with Devin as the starting point guard.

Dirk won the MVP inspite of devin. One of the reasons they brought jkiddo in was how hard dirk had to work to score. And the lunatic Avery.

grndmstr_c · 04-22-2012, 11:50 PM

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Dirk won the MVP inspite of devin. One of the reasons they brought jkiddo in was how hard dirk had to work to score. And the lunatic Avery.

Dirk won the MVP because he was deserving on account of how well he'd played...with Devin. Devin may have had his limitations as a floor general, but any claim or intimation that Dirk didn't play well with him remains as outrageously off base today as it was when that tripe first dripped off Sherrington's pen.

As for winning the MVP in spite of Devin, it sounds to me like you're saying that if an MVP isn't playing with the best set-up guy in the business, then his MVP must, by definition, have been won in spite of his teammates. I'm not sure what value there is in looking at it that way, since I expect the vast majority of players who've ever won an MVP have done so in spite of their teammates by that standard of reckoning. And besides that, it's not like Devin didn't open things up for his teammates in his own way, with his speed, penetration and inside finishing. He was a good player for the Mavs, and played a major role in some of the greatest successes the franchise ever had.

chumdawg · 04-23-2012, 12:30 AM

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As for winning the MVP in spite of Devin, it sounds to me like you're saying that if an MVP isn't playing with the best set-up guy in the business, then his MVP must, by definition, have been won in spite of his teammates.

Wow...what a wild reach.

grndmstr_c · 04-23-2012, 02:22 AM

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Wow...what a wild reach.

Not really. Take away the names and dude's claim that Player A won in spite of his teammate, Player B, doesn't make any sense unless its predicated on the idea that Player C, who wasn't a teammate, would have done a better job setting up Player A to have individual success than did Player B. So fine, you sub in C for B and A wins again, but it turns out that Player D would have made life even easier for Player A than Player C did. Well, by the same logic as before, A must have won in spite of C. And so it continues until eventually you get to Player Z, of whom it can be said that no one else could have possibly done more to set up Player A for his MVP performance. It's not that it's a completely unreasonable way of looking at things. It's that I just don't see it as being very useful, and for my money, you win MVPs (or at least deserve them), because of how well you play and how well your team performs in spite of the best efforts of your opponents to hinder and defeat you. You don't win MVPs in spite of your teammates.

Bayliss · 04-23-2012, 06:13 AM

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in spite of the best efforts of your opponents to hinder and defeat you. You don't win MVPs in spite of your teammates.

That theory will be put to the test for Durant this year.....

dude1394 · 04-23-2012, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Dirk won the MVP because he was deserving on account of how well he'd played...with Devin. Devin may have had his limitations as a floor general, but any claim or intimation that Dirk didn't play well with him remains as outrageously off base today as it was when that tripe first dripped off Sherrington's pen.

As for winning the MVP in spite of Devin, it sounds to me like you're saying that if an MVP isn't playing with the best set-up guy in the business, then his MVP must, by definition, have been won in spite of his teammates. I'm not sure what value there is in looking at it that way, since I expect the vast majority of players who've ever won an MVP have done so in spite of their teammates by that standard of reckoning. And besides that, it's not like Devin didn't open things up for his teammates in his own way, with his speed, penetration and inside finishing. He was a good player for the Mavs, and played a major role in some of the greatest successes the franchise ever had.

What I am saying is that the offense was throw the ball to dirk as high out as it took to get,it to him and then dirk would go one on one for 82 games and beat the hell out of everyone irregardless.

The proof of the pudding was against gsw where our point guard couldn't get him the ball closer than the 3pt line.

grndmstr_c · 04-23-2012, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

What I am saying is that the offense was throw the ball to dirk as high out as it took to get,it to him and then dirk would go one on one for 82 games and beat the hell out of everyone irregardless.

The proof of the pudding was against gsw where our point guard couldn't get him the ball closer than the 3pt line.

The offense was find a mismatch, get that guy the ball, and let him go one-on-one (unless it was any time after the first quarter and JHo had the mismatch), with some pick-and-roll mixed in. And the fact remains, Dirk had a lot of success in that system and with that core group of players. That the Mavs in general, and Dirk in particular, had a rough go of it for six games in what was, by all appearances, a singularly troublesome matchup for them, and with their starting center sidelined with a shoulder injury, doesn't erase everything else that group accomplished.

Anyway, I'm really not sure what your point is/was. That the Mavs from 05-07 had flaws? That Jason Kidd is a better distributor/floor general than Devin Harris? I'm pretty sure nobody's claiming otherwise.