Offseason 2010 Thread - Page 62 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

fluid.forty.one · 08-15-2010, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

Not sure why you guys get all moist over meaningless Chandler highlights. The guy has been junk for the last few years.

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I NEVER said I want Ty to fail. I NEVER said people can't be pleased with what they see. I simply stated facts, and (I) said people shouldn't get overly excited over SCRIMMAGE highlights

So had UD implied a "pleased" attitude instead of an "excited" attitude, we could have prevented this CadBane freak out? Because, I assume, by "see" you mean the only chance we have to "see" Chandler this summer, aka the USA games. The fine line between "pleased" and "excited" is really that important to you?

DevinHarriswillstart · 08-15-2010, 07:44 PM

Do you get the hint finally Cadbane? Yeah, none of us know anything at all about basketball...and you've claimed to watch tons and tons and tons of Warriors games, Sixers games and A LOT of Chandler games last season. Oh and an Anthony Tolliver expert. Either you have 10000% of no life, or you're completely full of sh*t. Get a life and stop trolling.

Oh and I'm no Chandler expert but have yet to see him have trouble catching the ball around the rim during his USA play.

rabbitproof · 08-15-2010, 08:08 PM

lawlz!

Rick41 · 08-15-2010, 08:57 PM

Awaiting the banning of Cadbane any moment now....

LSMF · 08-15-2010, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Both would be great at stealing minutes away from Roddy (without really being any better than him...)

Or hadn't you thought of that, Long Suffering Mavs Fan?

EDIT: if you push Cadbane out of the bulls-eye, guess where you're standing?

I suggested that we improve our team, and for some reason you decide to answer with this. What exactly did I do wrong by making this suggestion? Because I really don't understand it.

EDIT: I'll make my argument for why I think those guys would improve our team later, because I'm busy at the moment. But UD, I hope you got my PM though.

fluid.forty.one · 08-15-2010, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by LSMF

I suggested that we improve our team, and for some reason you decide to answer with this. What exactly did I do wrong by making this suggestion? Because I really don't understand it.

and he's suggesting that your suggestion would NOT improve the team. He's allowed to have his own (and refute your) opinion.

I, personally, agree with him. I don't think TJ Ford or West helps this team at all and I think it takes minutes away from Roddy. We already have Kidd/Butler/Terry fighting Roddy for minutes, I wouldn't want someone in here to take even more minutes from him. Like we've talked about, our success as a team is pretty dependent on how well and fast Roddy develops.

Underdog · 08-15-2010, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

and he's suggesting that your suggestion would NOT improve the team. He's allowed to have his own (and refute your) opinion.

I, personally, agree with him. I don't think TJ Ford or West helps this team at all and I think it takes minutes away from Roddy. We already have Kidd/Butler/Terry fighting Roddy for minutes, I wouldn't want someone in here to take even more minutes from him. Like we've talked about, our success as a team is pretty dependent on how well and fast Roddy develops.

Exactly... Certain folks around here keep saying we have NO CHANCE of winning a ring if Roddy doesn't become some kind of star, then they turn around and suggest that we add a mediocre player who will steal minutes away from Roddy's development...

What the hell drugs are people on???

SMC0007 · 08-15-2010, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

and he's suggesting that your suggestion would NOT improve the team. He's allowed to have his own (and refute your) opinion.

I, personally, agree with him. I don't think TJ Ford or West helps this team at all and I think it takes minutes away from Roddy. We already have Kidd/Butler/Terry fighting Roddy for minutes, I wouldn't want someone in here to take even more minutes from him. Like we've talked about, our success as a team is pretty dependent on how well and fast Roddy develops.

serious?

fluid.forty.one · 08-15-2010, 09:35 PM

What I mean by that is our championship odds increase significantly if Roddy develops to his potential. That could also be put as "our championship odds are worse if Roddy doesn't get minutes (aka develop) than if he does develop into a real contributor". Do you disagree?

Obviously our success as a 50 win team isn't dependent on that, nor is our chances to get out of the 1st round this year IMO, but we want more than that, right?

btw.. without looking, I'd be willing to bet that at least 10 out of your last 20 posts have been either one word responses or just lame jpegs. Thanks for contributing!

@LSMF. you need to stop taking things so personally. If someone disagrees with you, or especially if multiple people do, you can't take it personally. People have opinions. You've been a good member for awhile but your recent posts in this thread read a lot like the posts you made long ago before your huge freak out/quit from the board/name change. That PM you sent me back then and my response both apply to this as well. It's just a bunch of sports guys talkin sports.

Underdog · 08-15-2010, 09:40 PM

This site still has Mods?

Well, f*ck me...

Underdog · 08-15-2010, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

Sorry, but Chandler CAN'T catch the ball without fumbling it, actually. There's a reason he averaged 6 PPG last year on a much lower fg% than Damp. Watch some games THEN talk. The guy drops more balls than TO. His hands are just as bad as Damp's, but he's not as good a man defender or screen setter.

Video don't lie.
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But you're obviously smarter than Coach K!

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"Tyson did a lot for us when we qualified in 2007 ... He's much stronger than he was in 2007 and I thought he played well," coach Mike Krzyzewski said of the big man's play since training began last month. "He does all the things to compliment our perimeter players, so he has a chance to be really important for us."

For reference, Chandler was 12/12 in 2007...

fluid.forty.one · 08-15-2010, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Video don't lie.
Video don't lie.
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But.... we don't have a great passer like Chri...... oh, wait.

Spurred1 · 08-15-2010, 11:25 PM

Think I'll run with LSMF's West/T.J. Ford suggestion a page or so back. I don't want T.J. Ford-doesn't he have some serious injury issues?
West...I guess would be fine. But people on here are concerned that West will only muck up Roddy's minutes and development, which is valid. However, Roddy will be off his feet for a while due to the foot breakage and who knows how long he'll really take to recuperate and get back into the game.

Underdog · 08-15-2010, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Spurred1

Think I'll run with LSMF's West/T.J. Ford suggestion a page or so back. I don't want T.J. Ford-doesn't he have some serious injury issues?
West...I guess would be fine. But people on here are concerned that West will only muck up Roddy's minutes and development, which is valid. However, Roddy will be off his feet for a while due to the foot breakage and who knows how long he'll really take to recuperate and get back into the game.

I know the guy is unpopular around here these days, but it's not like West or Ford are going to get minutes over Jason Terry, who I suspect will play more if Roddy misses any significant time...

Spurred1 · 08-15-2010, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

Sorry, but Chandler CAN'T catch the ball without fumbling it, actually. There's a reason he averaged 6 PPG last year on a much lower fg% than Damp. Watch some games THEN talk. The guy drops more balls than TO. His hands are just as bad as Damp's, but he's not as good a man defender or screen setter. And I don't want Ty to fail, can you fucking read? I swear this site has a lower cumulative IQ than Terri Shiavo. Do people even read? Can they read? I NEVER said I want Ty to fail. I NEVER said people can't be pleased with what they see. I simply stated facts, and said people shouldn't get overly excited over SCRIMMAGE highlights, and that SCRIMMAGE highlights don't mean that Ty is a resurrected Phoenix who has risen from the ashes of 3rd string center caliber play of the past 2 years.

Hmmmm....your response to my post is to have a major tantrum full of insults? Not much of a comeback or educated response.
You've constantly shot down any poster who has dared to have any modicum of enthusiasm or hope that Chandler can contribute. So apparently, people here CAN'T be pleased by what they're seeing. Guess everyone here should bitch about Chandler and what an awful player he is.
Who gives a crap if it's from a SCRIMMAGE. Chandler is healthy enough to participate in the SCRIMMAGE-it sounds like he's regaining his health. Players have been known to do that at times. If he was a completely useless sack of feces still derailed by injuries, I doubt he would be under consideration to play for Team USA.
The only one getting overly excited about this is you, as reflected in some of your hostile responses.

Underdog · 08-15-2010, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Spurred1

If he was a completely useless sack of feces still derailed by injuries, I doubt he would be under consideration to play for Team USA.

JaVale McGee just got cut, so Chandler is officially the starting center of Team USA and Lamar Odom is his backup...

Spurred1 · 08-15-2010, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

I know the guy is unpopular around here these days, but it's not like West or Ford are going to get minutes over Jason Terry, who I suspect will play more if Roddy misses any significant time...

Well, that's what worries me. It's nothing against Terry, but he's seemed to have gone downhill a bit. I know he's a cheerleader and a great force in the locker room, which is really good...but I think his minutes really need to be drastically cut. He tends to keep shooting even when ice cold-he's best in spurts from what I've seen.
If West is signed, he may get some of those minutes that would go to Terry-which could be beneficial for everyone involved.

fluid.forty.one · 08-15-2010, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Spurred1

Think I'll run with LSMF's West/T.J. Ford suggestion a page or so back. I don't want T.J. Ford-doesn't he have some serious injury issues?
West...I guess would be fine. But people on here are concerned that West will only muck up Roddy's minutes and development, which is valid. However, Roddy will be off his feet for a while due to the foot breakage and who knows how long he'll really take to recuperate and get back into the game.

"Supposedly" he should be back around the start of the season. Even if he's few weeks late, would it be worth to get West for that small amount of necessity (especially when we have JJB and Terry to fill in there too) at the expensive of cutting Roddy's minutes later?

Underdog · 08-16-2010, 12:00 AM

I don't want Delonte West anywhere near the Mavs' locker room/moms...

(okay, Dirk's mom is in Germany, so no worries there, but where does everyone else's moms live???)

SMC0007 · 08-16-2010, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

What I mean by that is our championship odds increase significantly if Roddy develops to his potential. That could also be put as "our championship odds are worse if Roddy doesn't get minutes (aka develop) than if he does develop into a real contributor". Do you disagree?

Obviously our success as a 50 win team isn't dependent on that, nor is our chances to get out of the 1st round this year IMO, but we want more than that, right?

btw.. without looking, I'd be willing to bet that at least 10 out of your last 20 posts have been either one word responses or just lame jpegs. Thanks for contributing!

@LSMF. you need to stop taking things so personally. If someone disagrees with you, or especially if multiple people do, you can't take it personally. People have opinions. You've been a good member for awhile but your recent posts in this thread read a lot like the posts you made long ago before your huge freak out/quit from the board/name change. That PM you sent me back then and my response both apply to this as well. It's just a bunch of sports guys talkin sports.

Who knows what his potential is, plus he just got injured. Let him heal while we hope and pray that he isn't Yao, or McGrady type injury prone. If you are "depending" on him for this season to be a success or not, wow you might need a backup plan. As a very young player who hasn't really done much yet, we all see the potential but what we get from him... I see it as more of a bonus or icing on top if you will.

Also, in the same paragraph that you tell LSMF to stop taking things so personal, you immediately proceed to Air out whatever yall had in private messages to the board basically. It's obviously not JUST a bunch of sports guys talking sports.

fluid.forty.one · 08-16-2010, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Who knows what his potential is, plus he just got injured. Let him heal while we hope and pray that he isn't Yao, or McGrady type injury prone. If you are "depending" on him for this season to be a success or not, wow you might need a backup plan. As a very young player who hasn't really done much yet, we all see the potential but what we get from him... I see it as more of a bonus or icing on top if you will.

Also, in the same paragraph that you tell LSMF to stop taking things so personal, you immediately proceed to Air out whatever yall had in private messages to the board basically. It's obviously not JUST a bunch of sports guys talking sports.

I didn't say what was in them.. just that they still apply. The PMs could have been me trying to get him to by my internet boyfriend! Who the f*ck knows.

sensssiiiitiiiiiveeee

Underdog · 08-16-2010, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

I didn't say what was in them.. just that they still apply. The PMs could have been me trying to get him to by my internet boyfriend! Who the f*ck knows.

sensssiiiitiiiiiveeee

Funny, I got a PM from LSMF too, but he was inviting me over to eat some fried chicken from KFC... I had to respectfully decline because I'm allergic to one of their 11 herbs & spices, but I'm not sure which one since the Colonel's recipe is a secret...

(thanks for the invite LSMF - maybe next time we can get some Church's!)

Rick41 · 08-16-2010, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Funny, I got a PM from LSMF too, but he was inviting me over to eat some fried chicken from KFC... I had to respectfully decline because I'm allergic to one of their 11 herbs & spices, but I'm not sure which one since the Colonel's recipe is a secret...

(thanks for the invite LSMF - maybe next time we can get some Church's!)

rmacomic · 08-16-2010, 01:26 AM

n/m

fluid.forty.one · 08-16-2010, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick41

Why don't you.. take a seat. Right over here..

jthig32 · 08-16-2010, 09:16 AM

Ok...can we just calm the hell down in here? Please?

I realize Cadbane is the one going bat-S insane, but let's not stoop to his level.

And Cadbane, if you'd like for us to start hard-line enforcing the no-insults policy then you're first on the list, buddy.

Oh..and basketball talk: Count me as being fine with Chandler but in no way expecting any kind of career renaissance.

bobbyfg7 · 08-16-2010, 09:55 AM

Ha Ha Ha Ha...

http://www.sportsfilter.com/news/151...botched-tattoo

Awesome if true.

Underdog · 08-16-2010, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Oh..and basketball talk: Count me as being fine with Chandler but in no way expecting any kind of career renaissance.

Sounds about right...

I'm just happy he's healthy & active - he looks like an upgrade over Erick Dampier... I think we match up a little better with the Lakers if he continues to play the way he has for Team USA...

(but that seems to be a controversial opinion to have around here...)

BGMaverick9 · 08-16-2010, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Sounds about right...

I'm just happy he's healthy & active - he looks like an upgrade over Erick Dampier... I think we match up a little better with the Lakers if he continues to play the way he has for Team USA...

(but that seems to be a controversial opinion to have around here...)

I'm not saying he'll have renaissance, but I'm not saying there will be just a slight upgrade over Damp. I know that's vague, but I'm thinking it's definitely somewhere in the middle between that.

I'm having a hard time figuring out which I'm more excited about, the offensive possibilities or the defensive ones. Chandler isn't going to be a guy you post up and let him work. They have to know he's going to set picks and roll hard to the basket, don't let that go to waste. He's definitely going to help in the offensive rebound department, he's lively in that regard.

Defensively, I think he's going to help big time. He's still intimidating and he forces players to alter shots. He's pretty good with his body control as well in the fact he'll go up for blocks but doesn't always get a foul called on him.

BTW, it's been an entertaining show.

Eman · 08-16-2010, 11:55 AM

TJ Ford would take minutes and is better than JJ barea. I think he's a great addition as he is a similar scorer (though he drives more) and much better passer than JJ. We could then trade JJ away and not worry about our back up PG. Roddy will get plenty of time at the 2.

We need to trade Terry and Barea, I think that TJ, at 27, is a great option for the backup 1.

fluid.forty.one · 08-16-2010, 12:08 PM

DONUT 1: Rave reviews for Tyson Chandler of Team USA:
"Tyson has been outstanding,'' Team USA coach Mike Krzyzewski said after Chandler played 14 minutes against France and totaled four points, three rebounds and one blocked shot. "He doesn't need the ball. He's stronger. I bet he's at least probably 15 pounds heavier and stronger than he was in 2007. He feels healthy.''
You know, this would be one thing if the quotes were coming from Mavs training camp and were being issued by Carlisle and were being delivered with some spin ... But this is Coach K, this is Team USA and this is in preparation for the Worlds.
So it's OK to be a little excited by it.

pretty funny.

SMC0007 · 08-16-2010, 12:14 PM

Tyson Chandler is going to be such a huge upgrade from Damp, there shouldn't be any question about that. Mark that down in your pipe and smoke it!

bcrav4 · 08-16-2010, 12:21 PM

Ford/West would be good on this team only if it forced Terry out of the playoff rotation. At some point in the playoffs our rotation (ideally) would shrink to about 7-8 players, and there is no use in the rotation being the starting 5, plus Roddy, Terry, AND West/Ford.

chumdawg · 08-16-2010, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

You've been a good member for awhile but your recent posts in this thread read a lot like the posts you made long ago before your huge freak out/quit from the board/name change.

Who did he used to be?

DevinHarriswillstart · 08-16-2010, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

DONUT 1: Rave reviews for Tyson Chandler of Team USA:
"Tyson has been outstanding,'' Team USA coach Mike Krzyzewski said after Chandler played 14 minutes against France and totaled four points, three rebounds and one blocked shot. "He doesn't need the ball. He's stronger. I bet he's at least probably 15 pounds heavier and stronger than he was in 2007. He feels healthy.''
You know, this would be one thing if the quotes were coming from Mavs training camp and were being issued by Carlisle and were being delivered with some spin ... But this is Coach K, this is Team USA and this is in preparation for the Worlds.
So it's OK to be a little excited by it.

pretty funny.

It's nice hearing it from Chandler as well...

"I can play as much as they need me,'' said Chandler, traded from the Hornets to Charlotte in the summer of 2009 and from the Bobcats to the Mavericks last month. "In the last year, I was getting over injuries, coming off surgery. I'm going 100 percent now. I feel great ... The year in New Orleans, when we went to a seven-game series (in a West semifinal loss to San Antonio) was the last time I felt like this.''

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/08/15/t...-man-standing/

FINtastic · 08-16-2010, 12:49 PM

Well, I can't believe I missed out on all this fun the last couple of days.

Underdog · 08-16-2010, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by FINtastic

Well, I can't believe I missed out on all this fun the last couple of days.

You missed all the awesome bits that Jthig had to edit...

(now go accept that FF league invite I sent ya!)

Underdog · 08-16-2010, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

It's nice hearing it from Chandler as well...

"I can play as much as they need me,'' said Chandler, traded from the Hornets to Charlotte in the summer of 2009 and from the Bobcats to the Mavericks last month. "In the last year, I was getting over injuries, coming off surgery. I'm going 100 percent now. I feel great ... The year in New Orleans, when we went to a seven-game series (in a West semifinal loss to San Antonio) was the last time I felt like this.''

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/08/15/t...-man-standing/

When you look at all those video links I posted of Tyson Chandler being able to catch a ball without fumbling it (contrary to Cadbane's belief), several of them came in that series against the Spurs...

If he's feeling like that again, then we have a lot to look forward to (especially considering that he's our BACKUP center!)

FINtastic · 08-16-2010, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

You missed all the awesome bits that Jthig had to edit...

(now go accept that FF league invite I sent ya!)

Yeah but I can fill in the blanks in my head where the edits took place, which is much more fun in my opinion.

(I'll get right on the FF deal. I also need to make keeper selections in your other league. Decisions, decisions...)

SMC0007 · 08-16-2010, 01:03 PM

I don't wanna toot Chandlers horn too much

before he has played a game for the MAVS but seeing what he has done recently and knowing he is healthy, I would be surprised if he doesn't wind up earning more minutes than Haywood. Who was apparently guaranteed a starting spot.