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Bayliss · 06-05-2012, 05:44 PM

Might as well call this the offseason thread.

So do you think the Mavs will sign Antonio McDyess or Cliff Robinson?

b_o_r · 06-05-2012, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

Might as well call this the offseason thread.

So do you think the Mavs will sign Antonio McDyess or Cliff Robinson?

Cliff can knock down the 3 at a good percentage. You know Carlisle loves those stretch 4's. I personally like McDyess because he could slide over to the 5 from time to time.

EricaLubarsky · 06-05-2012, 08:28 PM

Walt Williams still playing?

sefant77 · 06-05-2012, 11:08 PM

Lets throw our MLE at Al Harrington

sefant77 · 06-05-2012, 11:54 PM

How about Deron and trying to get KG with the leftover cap (if there is any)

I still hate him

LonghornDub · 06-06-2012, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

Might as well call this the offseason thread.

So do you think the Mavs will sign Antonio McDyess or Cliff Robinson?

If we don't get Terry Porter and Jerome Kersey this offseason, I'm renouncing my fandom and moving to Switzerland.

chumdawg · 06-06-2012, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

If we don't get Terry Porter and Jerome Kersey this offseason, I'm renouncing my fandom and moving to Switzerland.

I better also get me some Arvidas Sabonis.

mac222b · 06-06-2012, 02:52 AM

I hear Lee Nailon is available

mac222b · 06-06-2012, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

I'm in Norcal and get GSW talk, but pretty much the same discussion about centers and value came up last night. New GSW GM Bob Myers was on and defending the Monta-Bogut trade. As one of the finalist for Chandler, GSW brass realized it is difficult to get a good center, due to scarcity, which leads to a higher dollar value. Then discussion turned to the quantity of 7 footers between 20-40, there are less than 70 in America.

http://marginalrevolution.com/margin...n-the-nba.html

Due to supply and demand, the value is definitely going to be high for a 7 footer...now add on to that a productive 7 footer

The was an unbelievably sucky trade. And i really like Bogut.
Throwing in Udoh and taking back Richard Jefferson... yikes

mac222b · 06-06-2012, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by b_o_r

Cliff can knock down the 3 at a good percentage. You know Carlisle loves those stretch 4's. I personally like McDyess because he could slide over to the 5 from time to time.

If its a stretch for we're after then its gotta be Brian Cook

mac222b · 06-06-2012, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

If we don't get Terry Porter and Jerome Kersey this offseason, I'm renouncing my fandom and moving to Switzerland.

Terry Porter would make a fine player coach

dude1394 · 06-06-2012, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

How about Deron and trying to get KG with the leftover cap (if there is any)

I still hate him

Kg isn't going anywhere.

Kidd Karma · 06-06-2012, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

The was an unbelievably sucky trade. And i really like Bogut.
Throwing in Udoh and taking back Richard Jefferson... yikes

And ownership blows it off as big man shortage and FA's won't come. I can understand if it's a Howard, you throw in the extra bells and whistles to make it work, but Udoh AND taking back a contract...plain stupidity.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-06-2012, 03:26 PM

Some decent optimism in this article about getting Williams...

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Deron Williams is the most coveted free agent on the market and can go wherever he wants to…or at least any team that can afford him.

Williams will be an unrestricted free agent this summer and will be looking to get a max deal. Considering he just averaged 21 points, 8.7 assists and 3.3 rebounds per game with a 57-point game mixed in, it’s understandable why.

In the hierarchy of point guards, I’d peg him below Chris Paul and Rajon Rondo, but above Tony Parker and Steve Nash.

With that in mind here are the three teams who can afford Williams, and make the most sense for both parties involved.

1. Dallas Mavericks

Ronald Martinez/Getty Images
The Mavs have always been linked to Williams because he is from Dallas, and owner Mark Cuban brilliantly set up his roster to have the salary cap to give him a megadeal this summer.

With Jason Kidd on his last legs, there is a clear need at the position and he could play with prolific scorers Dirk Nowitzki and Jason Terry.

Yet it’s hard to get over the weak championship defense the team just put up and it made me wonder if the defensive presence of Tyson Chandler was the real reason they have rings.

The roster is aging, and the lack of young talent scares me for the long-term future of this team. It’s something Williams has to consider.

2. Phoenix Suns

Christian Petersen/Getty Images
With Steve Nash all but gone, the Suns have surprisingly shown interest in Williams according to the NY Daily News. The report states that while they would love to bring Nash back, management feels they can entice Williams to the desert because “he loves golf”.

Hmmm. Not sure golf would convince me to make a life-altering decision, but maybe Williams is different.

While the roster may be gutted, there are multiple intriguing pieces to be excited about.

Marcin Gortat averaged a double-double this past year (15.4 points and 10 rebounds), while Jared Dudley and Channing Frye have both proven to be on the rise.

The Suns narrowly missed the playoffs this season, and would be favored to get their next season if Williams hoped on board. This is a team that could rise up the leaderboard in the next two or three years if Williams is willing to be patient.

Chris Trotman/Getty Images

3. Brooklyn Nets

This makes plenty of sense for the Nets, but why in the world would Williams want to waste any more of his career there?

They don’t have a first round pick and will need a small miracle to convince Orlando to trade them Dwight Howard.

Unless Jay-Z can work some “magic” and bring Howard to the Nets, Williams would clearly be signing because they are offering him more money than anybody else.

Then again, if they land Howard everything changes.

Conclusion

Where Will Deron Williams Sign?
Dallas Mavericks
Phoenix Suns
Brooklyn Nets
Other
Submit Vote vote to see results
The teams who can afford Williams (and would actually shell out the dough) are rather slim, and if Williams is trying to win now the Mavericks are a no-brainer.

But if he is willing to have the opportunity to mold a team to his style of play while taking credit for all their success, the Suns should be seriously considered.

They are a much younger team that he can grow with for the foreseeable future. Dallas' window is only open for so long.

Williams has a very tough decision to make in the coming weeks.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...deron-williams

EricaLubarsky · 06-06-2012, 04:15 PM

Being from Phoenix, I have to say that while there are some nice courses, no one wants to play them more than 3 months a year because its stifling hot. They drop prices up to 60-75% from late May to September because so few people are willing to take 110*

oilfieldtrash · 06-06-2012, 05:46 PM

Funny how all the guys with "inside" sources quieted down after Deron called one guy out.

Kidd Karma · 06-06-2012, 05:57 PM

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Funny how all the guys with "inside" sources quieted down after Deron called one guy out.

Deron ain't dumb, wonder if any other players will pick up on it, put all these guys down.

MavsFTR · 06-06-2012, 09:57 PM

http://www.latimes.com/sports/basket...,3998938.story

by mark medina
june 6, 2012, 3:15 p.m.
deron williams entered the l.a. convention center on wednesday appearing eager to perform a basketball video game demo.
the lakers would be equally eager to see williams across the street next season, walking to staples center and performing in a lakers uniform. and with a little less than a month before he becomes an unrestricted free agent, the new jersey nets point guard told the times he hasn't "closed any windows" on where he'd play for in the 2011-12 season.
as far as the lakers are concerned, williams appeared well aware that the lakers' payroll is limited.
"i know they don't have any money to just go out and sign me," williams said. "it'll have to be some kind of deal."
williams spoke wednesday at the e3 expo, where he was promoting the video game "nba baller beats," which features him on the cover and will be released in september. who knows if williams' interaction with people at e3, many presumably who root for the lakers, would play a part in any courtship. but the lakers could use any help they can get.
even though the lakers bolstered their backcourt by acquiring ramon sessions before the march 15 deadline, he averaged only 6.8 points on 35.3% shooting in the team's western conference semifinals loss to oklahoma city. the times' mike bresnahan reported sessions is expected to opt out of his $4.55-million player option in hopes of getting a long-term contract. meanwhile, williams' skill set vastly exceeds sessions. williams' 21 points per game ranked third among the nba's guards and his 8.8 assists per game ranked sixth among guards.
"i used to hate them. they pushed us out of the playoffs three years in a row," williams said of the lakers, referring to when they beat williams' utah jazz each postseason from 2008 through 2010. "we'll see."
the lakers have already committed $78.4 million to only seven players next season. it appears likely they will shop forward pau gasol, whom they owe $38.3 million over the next two years -- a contract that appears extra-hefty considering his reduced role and 12.5-point in the 2012 playoffs. but numerous reports have indicated a gasol-for-williams swap would be unrealistic.
meanwhile, the lakers also officially exercised a $16.1-million option on center andrew bynum, though it remains unclear if they would trade him or soon sign him to a long-term deal. and don't even think about what the lakers would do with kobe bryant. he's not going anywhere.

The Dallas Mavericks cleared cap space this past season, presumably to give themselves a better chance to secure Williams or even Dwight Howard. But the Lakers don't have such a luxury. They still have the $8.9-million trade exception stemming from the Lamar Odom trade. They also can sign a player at the mini mid-level exception, worth around $3 million. Would Williams be open to joining any team via sign-and-trade?
"I don't know," Williams said with a smile.
Even if he didn't tip his hand on future options, Williams clearly outlined what variables he'll weigh next month. He sounded impatient that his seven-year career has amounted to one Western Conference Finals appearance (2007), three shorter playoff runs and three seasons in which his team didn't make the playoffs. Williams was traded to the New Jersey Nets in the middle of the 2010-11 season after spending his first 5 1/2 seasons with the Jazz.
"I want to go to a place where I feel like they will have a chance to build and build fast," Williams said. "I'm not really in the mood for being part of a rebuilding process. I'm getting older. I'm about to be 28. I want to win. I want to win now. Also, I want to live in a place where I want to live and my kids will enjoy living. That's pretty much it."
The Nets finished 22-44 this season. They traded a first-round pick for forward Gerald Wallace. They missed out on winning the NBA draft lottery. Yet Williams gave the organization a vote of confidence.
"The move to Brooklyn is definitely going to be huge," he said. "That's first and foremost. I'm very confident in management there. I like Coach Avery Johnson and I like playing for him. Like I said, the move to Brooklyn could be huge. It'll be a fun thing to be a part of."
Yahoo! Sports Adrian Wojnarowski recently quoted a league source who reported that Williams' willingness to stay with New Jersey hinged on whether the Nets secured Orlando center Dwight Howard, a revelation Williams immediately shot down via Twitter. He did the same thing on Wednesday.
"I didn't say that. It's not how I feel," Williams said. "I don't think I'm going to base my decision, my family's decision on somebody else coming to a team or not. I have to make a decision that's best for me and my family. That's what I'm going to do."
What that decision would be, Williams says he doesn't know yet. The only thing he knew Wednesday was that he was simply in Los Angeles to promote a video game. Laker fans can only hope his next appearance in L.A. involves him holding up a purple and gold uniform.

CapitanObvious · 06-07-2012, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by MavsFTR

http://www.latimes.com/sports/basket...,3998938.story

by mark medina
june 6, 2012, 3:15 p.m.
deron williams entered the l.a. convention center on wednesday appearing eager to perform a basketball video game demo.
the lakers would be equally eager to see williams across the street next season, walking to staples center and performing in a lakers uniform. and with a little less than a month before he becomes an unrestricted free agent, the new jersey nets point guard told the times he hasn't "closed any windows" on where he'd play for in the 2011-12 season.
as far as the lakers are concerned, williams appeared well aware that the lakers' payroll is limited.
"i know they don't have any money to just go out and sign me," williams said. "it'll have to be some kind of deal."
williams spoke wednesday at the e3 expo, where he was promoting the video game "nba baller beats," which features him on the cover and will be released in september. who knows if williams' interaction with people at e3, many presumably who root for the lakers, would play a part in any courtship. but the lakers could use any help they can get.
even though the lakers bolstered their backcourt by acquiring ramon sessions before the march 15 deadline, he averaged only 6.8 points on 35.3% shooting in the team's western conference semifinals loss to oklahoma city. the times' mike bresnahan reported sessions is expected to opt out of his $4.55-million player option in hopes of getting a long-term contract. meanwhile, williams' skill set vastly exceeds sessions. williams' 21 points per game ranked third among the nba's guards and his 8.8 assists per game ranked sixth among guards.
"i used to hate them. they pushed us out of the playoffs three years in a row," williams said of the lakers, referring to when they beat williams' utah jazz each postseason from 2008 through 2010. "we'll see."
the lakers have already committed $78.4 million to only seven players next season. it appears likely they will shop forward pau gasol, whom they owe $38.3 million over the next two years -- a contract that appears extra-hefty considering his reduced role and 12.5-point in the 2012 playoffs. but numerous reports have indicated a gasol-for-williams swap would be unrealistic.
meanwhile, the lakers also officially exercised a $16.1-million option on center andrew bynum, though it remains unclear if they would trade him or soon sign him to a long-term deal. and don't even think about what the lakers would do with kobe bryant. he's not going anywhere.

The Dallas Mavericks cleared cap space this past season, presumably to give themselves a better chance to secure Williams or even Dwight Howard. But the Lakers don't have such a luxury. They still have the $8.9-million trade exception stemming from the Lamar Odom trade. They also can sign a player at the mini mid-level exception, worth around $3 million. Would Williams be open to joining any team via sign-and-trade?
"I don't know," Williams said with a smile.
Even if he didn't tip his hand on future options, Williams clearly outlined what variables he'll weigh next month. He sounded impatient that his seven-year career has amounted to one Western Conference Finals appearance (2007), three shorter playoff runs and three seasons in which his team didn't make the playoffs. Williams was traded to the New Jersey Nets in the middle of the 2010-11 season after spending his first 5 1/2 seasons with the Jazz.
"I want to go to a place where I feel like they will have a chance to build and build fast," Williams said. "I'm not really in the mood for being part of a rebuilding process. I'm getting older. I'm about to be 28. I want to win. I want to win now. Also, I want to live in a place where I want to live and my kids will enjoy living. That's pretty much it."
The Nets finished 22-44 this season. They traded a first-round pick for forward Gerald Wallace. They missed out on winning the NBA draft lottery. Yet Williams gave the organization a vote of confidence.
"The move to Brooklyn is definitely going to be huge," he said. "That's first and foremost. I'm very confident in management there. I like Coach Avery Johnson and I like playing for him. Like I said, the move to Brooklyn could be huge. It'll be a fun thing to be a part of."
Yahoo! Sports Adrian Wojnarowski recently quoted a league source who reported that Williams' willingness to stay with New Jersey hinged on whether the Nets secured Orlando center Dwight Howard, a revelation Williams immediately shot down via Twitter. He did the same thing on Wednesday.
"I didn't say that. It's not how I feel," Williams said. "I don't think I'm going to base my decision, my family's decision on somebody else coming to a team or not. I have to make a decision that's best for me and my family. That's what I'm going to do."
What that decision would be, Williams says he doesn't know yet. The only thing he knew Wednesday was that he was simply in Los Angeles to promote a video game. Laker fans can only hope his next appearance in L.A. involves him holding up a purple and gold uniform.

He is a MAV. Book it.

dude1394 · 06-07-2012, 07:25 AM

Why does "book it" not engender confidence.

grndmstr_c · 06-07-2012, 10:52 AM

I apparently haven't looked at the tags on this thread in a while. "my ass bleeds for tyson"...that's hilarious. Whoever added that one consider yourself karmically positive rep'd.

MavsFanTillDeath · 06-07-2012, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by MavsFTR

"The move to Brooklyn is definitely going to be huge," he said. "That's first and foremost. I'm very confident in management there. I like Coach Avery Johnson and I like playing for him. Like I said, the move to Brooklyn could be huge. It'll be a fun thing to be a part of."

sounds like he has already made his decision..

SMC0007 · 06-07-2012, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MavsFanTillDeath

sounds like he has already made his decision..

How so?

LonghornDub · 06-07-2012, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

How so?

Yeah, not seeing that either. Deron's been pretty consistent about leaving every door open and talking as if he could go to any team that's mentioned specifically to him.

EricaLubarsky · 06-07-2012, 05:08 PM

The real question is this:

will Deron call for a live, nationally-televised 30-minute ESPN special event sponsored by University of Phoenix to announce where he is going.

chumdawg · 06-07-2012, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

The real question is this:

will Deron call for a live, nationally-televised 30-minute ESPN special event sponsored by University of Phoenix to announce where he is going.

I'd sure watch it!

Kidd Karma · 06-08-2012, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

The real question is this:

will Deron call for a live, nationally-televised 30-minute ESPN special event sponsored by University of Phoenix to announce where he is going.

"I'm taking my talents to the Big D."

GhostFace · 06-08-2012, 02:14 PM

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"I'm taking my talents to the Big D."

That just sounds sexy.

CaseyJones · 06-08-2012, 06:42 PM

We might not end up getting DWill, but hey we'll probably get Acie Law.......

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According to this story by Nikos Varlas of EuroHoops.net, veteran point guard Acie Law could return the NBA next season as a member of the Dallas Mavericks.

Law, 27, signed to play in Greece during the NBA lockout, and before that played with five NBA teams over a span of four seasons.

At this stage, Law is no more than an experienced backup in the NBA. But Jason Kidd and Jason Terry are both free agents, so the need could be there in Dallas and, according to Varlas' Greek sources, the Mavs have Law on their radar.

BGMaverick9 · 06-08-2012, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CaseyJones

We might not end up getting DWill, but hey we'll probably get Acie Law.......

There's potential he could actually stick, but he sounds like a body for the summer league or a training camp body.

EricaLubarsky · 06-08-2012, 07:10 PM

Acie is another player in a long line of Texas NCAA players that the Mavs have brought in for summer league and training camp that won't make the roster.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-08-2012, 07:21 PM

Law's problem is that he doesn't really know how to pass the ball. Not good when you're a pg.

LonghornDub · 06-08-2012, 07:33 PM

I expected Law to be better in the NBA than he has been. Not great, but consistently decent.

quietsavant · 06-08-2012, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CaseyJones

We might not end up getting DWill, but hey we'll probably get Acie Law.......

Acie Law is actually really good friends with Dwill, for what that's worth.

I would really like to see the FO take a look at CJ Miles.

BGMaverick9 · 06-09-2012, 12:03 AM

http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/archi...medium=twitter

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The Mavericks have big decisions to make before the NBA draft June 28, and free agency begins July 1. But no decision may be bigger than what to do with center Brendan Haywood.

It's been widely speculated that the Mavericks will use the one-time amnesty provision to remove Haywood from the salary cap. But a rare clause in Haywood's contract could make that move unnecessary.

Haywood has what one NBA executive called "the best spread provision in the NBA'' in his contract. In layman's terms, any team that waives Haywood can spread out the payments for the remainder of his contract until 2026, according to an NBA source.

That means the team that owns his rights and waives him would be responsible for no more than $2 million per year over the next 14 years.

That clause in the deal is a huge incentive when it comes to including Haywood as a possible sweetener in trade talks that are going fast and furious as teams gear up for the frenzy that will begin as soon as the NBA finals end. Other teams see that as a very appealing contract.

On paper, Haywood's contract would appear to be an albatross. He's guaranteed money over the next three seasons, escalating from $8.349 million in 2012-13 to $9.073 million the following season and $9.798 million in 2014-15. His final season, at $10.522 million, is not guaranteed.

But the fact that the $27.22 million that is guaranteed can be spread out over more than a decade, if a team so desires, is a huge advantage for a team looking for salary-cap protection if they also are looking for a functional center.

Haywood averaged 5.2 points and six rebounds in 21.2 minutes per game this season.

What the spread provision in his contract allows is for the Mavericks possibly to use Haywood and other assets to facilitate sign-and-trades for free agents, which wouldn't further eat into their money under the salary cap.

That's a quirky ass wrinkle in a contract. It feels like I keep learning new stuff or loopholes as the days go by.

Underdog · 06-09-2012, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/archi...medium=twitter

That's a quirky ass wrinkle in a contract. It feels like I keep learning new stuff or loopholes as the days go by.

Trading Haywood looks to be a very real possibility... Get Michael Jordan on speed dial.

chumdawg · 06-09-2012, 12:20 AM

Yeah, but why does he say "if they are also looking for a functional center"? The benefit to the contract provision comes only after waiving him, right?

BGMaverick9 · 06-09-2012, 12:39 AM

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Yeah, but why does he say "if they are also looking for a functional center"? The benefit to the contract provision comes only after waiving him, right?

The way I interpret it is that a team can have a very decent rental. He's going to have a shelf life and once the expiration date comes, they can cut ties and do so with a nice, soft net to fall on.

Underdog · 06-09-2012, 12:44 AM

So if a team could stretch Haywood's contract out over a decade to only owe $2M/season, and Odom can be bought-out for $2.4M, then hypothetically we could trade a package centered around Haywood/Odom (plus Roddy/DoJo/picks/cash or whatever else it would take) to get Dwight Howard, and Orlando could waive both players and save enough money to actually get back under the cap.

Not that it'll happen - I'm just finally remembering what this thread is all about, that's all...

chumdawg · 06-09-2012, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

So if a team could stretch Haywood's contract out over a decade to only owe $2M/season, and Odom can be bought-out for $2.4M, then hypothetically we could trade a package centered around Haywood/Odom (plus Roddy/DoJo/picks/cash or whatever else it would take) to get Dwight Howard, and Orlando could waive both players and save enough money to actually get back under the cap.

Not that it'll happen - I'm just finally remembering what this thread is all about, that's all...

Haywood is going to be on the cap for his yearly figure, spread or no spread.

His spread provision is not nearly as valuable as the article seems to imply.