Offseason 2010 Thread

[LSMF]

Originally Posted by sefant77

Where do i start...

Crawford like Terry a pure scorer. Beside this he delivers nothing.

Career 40.9, thats beyond horrible. Last year 44.9, the first time in 8 years he crossed the 41.6% mark. He is a taller but even less effective Jason Terry that maybe play slightly better defense than Terry (but still horrible one).

With Atlanta he found the perfect place for him, first time making the playoffs. That he gonna blow up now to squeeze out the maximum bucks for him. He is looking for 4 years 35-40 million. Even if we trade him for Terry or trash Cuban wont give him an extension before the end of the season.

So what will happen if you add such a chucker like Crawford that is in his contract year looking for his last big contract? He will play the way it helps the team most? Hell no. He will play the way he and his stats look good. Will he accept less minutes with Roddy (and maybe even Jones) showing they are ready for more minutes? Hell no, he will cry because he see his stats and $$$ floating away.

And Jason Terry is at least an important locker room guy. I dont change that to add a sore loser like Crawford for a marginal upgrade. Ah and Crawfords playoff FGA% in 11 games: 36%.

Roddy is a bigger key to success than Crawford because we need efficient scoring, guys that are able to go to the line and not getting destroyed at defense (you can even count Jones into this). Crawford is a 6-5 Terry/Barea, no thank you.

Ok where do I start. Crawford besides scoring can provide ballhandling, passing and good defense on PG's.

9-10 million a year isn't that bad for a SG of his caliber. He's a guy who can break down defenses and hit clutch shots. He'd take a load of pressure of Dirk in the clutch, and he'd help Kidd in the backcourt since he's a great ballhandler. Yes, he has a poor career average but that has to do with the fact he wasn't on a winning team till last season.

And I find it funny, the way you seem to characterize Crawford. Almost like he's a selfish player. Please tell me what he has done for you to characterize him in such a way. I still remember many Knick fans that were very upset when he was traded. Just because they loved his game and his attitude. Same thing in GS. He was only there for a short time and already was loved by the fans there. And he's blended right in with them in ATL. He gets along with teammates and is loved by the fans there. Crawford is a good player with a good attitude, so please don't play that card.

Has Roddy proven that he can get to the line efficiently? Yes, he's shown some great flashes. And I want him to succeed, but I do think we should make other moves as well. That is all I'm saying. Depending on a 2nd year player and a rookie completely is just not wise imho. And how many times have I heard "if only Barea/Jet was a little taller they'd be great"? So if Crawford is the taller version of them then he'd be a good addition.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Maybe a bit early to put too many eggs in the Roddy basket. I have been high on the guy since he got here, but it seems like a lot of folks are quite possibly setting themselves up for a let down with how high they are already raising him.

I've never heard of a Mavs fan who set themselves up for disappointment...

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by LSMF

Ok where do I start. Crawford besides scoring can provide ballhandling, passing and good defense on PG's.

I really dont get why u think that Crawford plays good defense? I really really dont get it.

Ballhandling? Passing?
Career assist/TO: 4.0/2.1 Terry 4.8/2.1

9-10 million a year isn't that bad for a SG of his caliber. He's a guy who can break down defenses and hit clutch shots. He'd take a load of pressure of Dirk in the clutch, and he'd help Kidd in the backcourt since he's a great ballhandler. Yes, he has a poor career average but that has to do with the fact he wasn't on a winning team till last season.

Last year 4 FTA, career 3.4 FTA. Clutch? Is this the Kobe syndrom? The guy takes a lot of bad bad chots in crunchtime, guess you just saw the few he hit...

And i dont get why his "poor" teams are the excuse for his average. There are a lot of guards that played almost their whole career on bad teams and didnt average 40.9...

And I find it funny, the way you seem to characterize Crawford. Almost like he's a selfish player. Please tell me what he has done for you to characterize him in such a way. I still remember many Knick fans that were very upset when he was traded. Just because they loved his game and his attitude. Same thing in GS. He was only there for a short time and already was loved by the fans there. And he's blended right in with them in ATL. He gets along with teammates and is loved by the fans there. Crawford is a good player with a good attitude, so please don't play that card.

First time in his career playoffs and yet he will force his way out for a few million more. Crawford is known his entire career for a bad shot selection + bad percentage. Thats typical for either selfish or dumb players.

Has Roddy proven that he can get to the line efficiently? Yes, he's shown some great flashes. And I want him to succeed, but I do think we should make other moves as well. That is all I'm saying. Depending on a 2nd year player and a rookie completely is just not wise imho. And how many times have I heard "if only Barea/Jet was a little taller they'd be great"? So if Crawford is the taller version of them then he'd be a good addition.

Roddy just had a rookie 50/40/80 record and an absolute sick true shooting percentage of 60-something. So there is hope that he can keep this in high numbers with 20-25min and thats what the Mavs have to look and see next season (and to hope for).

Crawford is barely an upgrade to Terry. A career chucker in his contract year, leaving his first playoff teams because if money.

No, i dont trade Terry for him. Crawford isnt the key to bigger success. I dont screw with team chemistry for such an "upgrade".

[DevinHarriswillstart]

I still think Roddy has to prove he can even play pg substantially before we fish for another 2. Roddy can play the 2 just fine...

[sefant77]

Schedule B2B games.

Of course Lakers again 6-8 more b2b games is way too much and extrem. Blazers maybe playing with the Suns or Thunder for the #8 spot and one team with 5-6 b2b games more during the season, thats easily 1-2 wins less.

Biggest joke still Lakers 15 b2b and Clippers 22...

[41mvp]

[QUOTE=sefant77;1113174]I really dont get why u think that Crawford plays good defense? I really really dont get it.


you write about Crawford defense.Crawford and Terry this both players aren't good defenders.Terry has 33 years Crawford has 30 years.In last season Crawford had 18 PPG Terry had 16 PPG.Crawford is very good 3-point shooter he had 38% Terry 36%.Terry FG%43 Crawford FG%44.We must trade Jason Terry. I never was his big fan.For me Crawford is better player.I want him.

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I still think Roddy has to prove he can even play pg substantially before we fish for another 2. Roddy can play the 2 just fine...

Butler, Terry, Roddy, Jones for 48min. Worst case even Stevenson if he may find his three back. Thats absolutly enough and we dont need marginal upgrades like Smith or Crawford that would screw the team chemistry.

If we trade there it has to be allstar quality (Iggy etc).

[41mvp]

Why Tyson sat on the bench in all match vs.Slovenia.

[Scaramanga]

http://turkey2010.fiba.com/pages/eng...6944/game.html

Ian vs. Lebanon : 14 pts / 9 rbds

[41mvp]

Originally Posted by Scaramanga

http://turkey2010.fiba.com/pages/eng...6944/game.html

Ian vs. Lebanon : 14 pts / 9 rbds

good work Ian!!!

[41mvp]

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/389043...s-player_news/

it's very sad news!!!

[RareMilk]

Dominique Jones on friends in the NBA

"The only friends I want are the ones on the Mavs"

http://www.nba.com/mavericks/multime...010_08_27.html
Watch the video. Don't know if he is humble or cocky...but I am loving the way he is handling the off season.

[tcat075]

Crawford is better than Terry as a basketball player, but once you factor in the chemistry and leadership that JET has with this team, its clear Terry is the better fit for the team.

JR Smith is just awful and worse than both of those guys.

edit: Not surprisingly, all three show up on this Sporcle quiz.

[Spurred1]

Originally Posted by 41mvp

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/389043...s-player_news/

it's very sad news!!!

NJ does have a lot of young talent, but don't see Nets giving up Lopez-and that may be who the Nuggets would focus on. Harris won't be traded, I assume-esp. since he lobbied for Avery to get the coaching job.

[spreedom]

If we could trade a long-term contract or him that we maybe don't want anymore (Terry or Marion) I'd be all for it for the salary savings alone. Crawford might be below-average in terms of offensive efficiency, but that's to be expected for someone who's going to be your 6th or 7th man. I definitely wouldn't give him an extension immediately upon trading for him (I'd be willing to give him a couple of years at about $6-8M per if his first season here was a success) but I don't think you say "no way under any circumstances" to a guy that can get it going like Crawford.

And I don't even really like him.

[41mvp]

Originally Posted by spreedom

If we could trade a long-term contract or him that we maybe don't want anymore (Terry or Marion) I'd be all for it for the salary savings alone. Crawford might be below-average in terms of offensive efficiency, but that's to be expected for someone who's going to be your 6th or 7th man. I definitely wouldn't give him an extension immediately upon trading for him (I'd be willing to give him a couple of years at about $6-8M per if his first season here was a success) but I don't think you say "no way under any circumstances" to a guy that can get it going like Crawford.

And I don't even really like him.

You want trade Marion NO WAY!!!Terry is perfect guy to trade!!!Terry for Crawford this is my wish

[LonghornDub]

Based on last season alone, you'd have to say Crawford is better than Terry. But again, we don't know if last year is just an aberration of poorer performance from Terry, or if he is on a permanent decline due to age. It could very well be either. The guy was kick-ass (in the regular season) and won 6th Man a mere 2 years ago, so I'm going to give him this season to see which it is.

[41mvp]

In 2009-2010 season. Jet play well in regular season but he play terrible in playoffs.We lose playoffs we were second team in the west and we lose.Everybody know how Jason Terry played in Playoffs and everybody know how played Crawford with Atlanta in playoffs time.
Who is better?Answer is easy Crawford.

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by 41mvp

In 2009-2010 season. Jet play well in regular season but he play terrible in playoffs.We lose playoffs we were second team in the west and we lose.Everybody know how Jason Terry played in Playoffs and everybody know how played Crawford with Atlanta in playoffs time.
Who is better?Answer is easy Crawford.

No. The answer is not easy.

[SMC0007]

Jet isn't gonna get any better than he is now. I would make that trade immediately, I don't understand why you wouldn't. He is on the decline and has been a pretty streaky shooter for a while now. He can't dribble and penetrate like Crawford but he has a big heart. The only thing I would worry about with Crawford is he would want every last second shot and Dirk might not even get a touch if he had the ball in his hands.

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Jet isn't gonna get any better than he is now. I would make that trade immediately, I don't understand why you wouldn't. He is on the decline and has been a pretty streaky shooter for a while now. He can't dribble and penetrate like Crawford but he has a big heart. The only thing I would worry about with Crawford is he would want every last second shot and Dirk might not even get a touch if he had the ball in his hands.

Probably the best regular season of his career was 2 seasons ago, so I find it puzzling that he's apparently been on the decline for "awhile now."

And again, that's the entire issue. Maybe he's on the decline, or maybe he had a bad season. It happens. In fact, it happens all the time.

[41mvp]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

No. The answer is not easy.

Jason doesn't deserve on second chances.All stats say Crawford is better player.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Probably the best regular season of his career was 2 seasons ago, so I find it puzzling that he's apparently been on the decline for "awhile now."

And again, that's the entire issue. Maybe he's on the decline, or maybe he had a bad season. It happens. In fact, it happens all the time.

It was not "his best regular season of his career". Unless you are only talking about as a Maverick then it's puzzling why you would say in his career.

Wether or not he is on the decline isn't the entire issue imo. I'm more concerned with what he can and can't do at this point in his career, which is penetrate and drive the ball.

[ReDirkulous Tyme]

Originally Posted by 41mvp

Jason doesn't deserve on second chances.All stats say Crawford is better player.

ever heard that stats aren't everything?

I haven't been happy with Jet's performance the last couple post-seasons, so don't take this the wrong way:

SAY NO TO CRAWFORD

at least Jet knows how to stay within the offense, and he TYPICALLY doesn't become a black hole. Crawford is OVERRATED!!! Horrible percent shooter, takes too many shots, EXTREMELY undisciplined, and very selfish. I want Crawford on the Mavs about as much as I want the black plague...

i'm obviously slightly exaggerating, but you get my point. Jet needs to step it up, and he may not. But this shot-chucker known as Crawford is not the answer to our problems.

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Jet isn't gonna get any better than he is now. I would make that trade immediately, I don't understand why you wouldn't. He is on the decline and has been a pretty streaky shooter for a while now. He can't dribble and penetrate like Crawford but he has a big heart. The only thing I would worry about with Crawford is he would want every last second shot and Dirk might not even get a touch if he had the ball in his hands.

Terry last year:
2009-10 DAL 77 33:00 5.9 13.5 43.8 1.8 4.8 36.5 3.0 3.5 86.6 0.3 1.6 1.8 3.8 1.4 1.2 0.2 1.8 16.6

Crawford last year:
2009-10 ATL 79 31:06 6.3 14.0 44.9 2.1 5.4 38.2 3.4 4.0 85.7 0.4 2.1 2.5 3.0 1.7 0.8 0.2 1.7 18.0

So Crawford in his career year (FG-% 3-4% above his career average) was just slightly better in some categories than the declining Terry. And noticing that this defense is DAMN close to Terrys (bad to non exixtent).

We all know Terry sucked in the playoffs, so lets check Crawford what Crawford did in his career year and the 11 playoff games: 36% FG

And then lets look career numbers, the last 6 years:
2004-05 DAL 80 30:00 4.7 9.3 50.1 1.3 3.1 42.0 1.8 2.2 84.4 0.5 1.9 2.4 5.4 1.8 1.4 0.2 2.2 12.4
2005-06 DAL 80 35:00 6.5 13.7 47.0 2.1 5.2 41.1 2.1 2.6 80.0 0.4 1.6 2.0 3.8 1.7 1.3 0.3 2.5 17.1
2006-07 DAL 81 35:06 6.4 13.1 48.4 2.0 4.6 43.8 2.0 2.5 80.4 0.5 2.4 2.9 5.2 1.9 1.0 0.2 2.1 16.7
2007-08 DAL 82 31:23 5.7 12.3 46.7 1.7 4.4 37.5 2.3 2.7 85.7 0.4 2.2 2.5 3.2 1.1 1.1 0.2 2.1 15.5
2008-09 DAL 74 33:42 7.3 15.8 46.3 2.3 6.2 36.6 2.7 3.0 88.0 0.5 1.9 2.4 3.4 1.6 1.3 0.3 1.9 19.6
2009-10 DAL 77 33:00 5.9 13.5 43.8 1.8 4.8 36.5 3.0 3.5 86.6 0.3 1.6 1.8 3.8 1.4 1.2 0.2 1.8 16.6

Crawford:
2005-06 NY 79 32:17 4.6 11.1 41.6 1.3 3.7 34.5 3.7 4.5 82.6 0.5 2.7 3.1 3.8 2.2 1.1 0.2 1.9 14.3
2006-07 NY 59 37:17 6.0 15.0 40.0 1.8 5.5 32.0 3.9 4.6 83.8 0.8 2.5 3.2 4.4 2.8 1.0 0.1 1.9 17.6
2007-08 NY 80 39:53 7.1 17.4 41.0 2.2 6.2 35.6 4.1 4.8 86.4 0.5 2.1 2.6 5.0 2.4 1.0 0.2 1.8 20.6
2008-09 NY 11 35:36 6.6 15.4 43.2 3.2 7.0 45.5 3.2 4.2 76.1 0.2 1.4 1.6 4.4 2.4 0.8 0.0 1.2 19.6
2008-09 GS 54 38:36 6.4 15.8 40.6 2.0 5.9 33.8 4.9 5.5 88.9 0.4 2.9 3.3 4.4 2.3 0.9 0.2 1.5 19.7
2009-10 ATL 79 31:06 6.3 14.0 44.9 2.1 5.4 38.2 3.4 4.0 85.7 0.4 2.1 2.5 3.0 1.7 0.8 0.2 1.7 18.0

So whats the chances Crawford is significant better than the declining Terry? Removing Terry from the locker room for a guy maybe forcing his way out of a team due to money (contract year).

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by sefant77

Terry last year:
2009-10 DAL 77 33:00 5.9 13.5 43.8 1.8 4.8 36.5 3.0 3.5 86.6 0.3 1.6 1.8 3.8 1.4 1.2 0.2 1.8 16.6

Crawford last year:
2009-10 ATL 79 31:06 6.3 14.0 44.9 2.1 5.4 38.2 3.4 4.0 85.7 0.4 2.1 2.5 3.0 1.7 0.8 0.2 1.7 18.0

So Crawford in his career year (FG-% 3-4% above his career average) was just slightly better in some categories than the declining Terry. And noticing that this defense is DAMN close to Terrys (bad to non exixtent).

We all know Terry sucked in the playoffs, so lets check Crawford what Crawford did in his career year and the 11 playoff games: 36% FG

And then lets look career numbers, the last 6 years:
2004-05 DAL 80 30:00 4.7 9.3 50.1 1.3 3.1 42.0 1.8 2.2 84.4 0.5 1.9 2.4 5.4 1.8 1.4 0.2 2.2 12.4
2005-06 DAL 80 35:00 6.5 13.7 47.0 2.1 5.2 41.1 2.1 2.6 80.0 0.4 1.6 2.0 3.8 1.7 1.3 0.3 2.5 17.1
2006-07 DAL 81 35:06 6.4 13.1 48.4 2.0 4.6 43.8 2.0 2.5 80.4 0.5 2.4 2.9 5.2 1.9 1.0 0.2 2.1 16.7
2007-08 DAL 82 31:23 5.7 12.3 46.7 1.7 4.4 37.5 2.3 2.7 85.7 0.4 2.2 2.5 3.2 1.1 1.1 0.2 2.1 15.5
2008-09 DAL 74 33:42 7.3 15.8 46.3 2.3 6.2 36.6 2.7 3.0 88.0 0.5 1.9 2.4 3.4 1.6 1.3 0.3 1.9 19.6
2009-10 DAL 77 33:00 5.9 13.5 43.8 1.8 4.8 36.5 3.0 3.5 86.6 0.3 1.6 1.8 3.8 1.4 1.2 0.2 1.8 16.6

Crawford:
2005-06 NY 79 32:17 4.6 11.1 41.6 1.3 3.7 34.5 3.7 4.5 82.6 0.5 2.7 3.1 3.8 2.2 1.1 0.2 1.9 14.3
2006-07 NY 59 37:17 6.0 15.0 40.0 1.8 5.5 32.0 3.9 4.6 83.8 0.8 2.5 3.2 4.4 2.8 1.0 0.1 1.9 17.6
2007-08 NY 80 39:53 7.1 17.4 41.0 2.2 6.2 35.6 4.1 4.8 86.4 0.5 2.1 2.6 5.0 2.4 1.0 0.2 1.8 20.6
2008-09 NY 11 35:36 6.6 15.4 43.2 3.2 7.0 45.5 3.2 4.2 76.1 0.2 1.4 1.6 4.4 2.4 0.8 0.0 1.2 19.6
2008-09 GS 54 38:36 6.4 15.8 40.6 2.0 5.9 33.8 4.9 5.5 88.9 0.4 2.9 3.3 4.4 2.3 0.9 0.2 1.5 19.7
2009-10 ATL 79 31:06 6.3 14.0 44.9 2.1 5.4 38.2 3.4 4.0 85.7 0.4 2.1 2.5 3.0 1.7 0.8 0.2 1.7 18.0

So whats the chances Crawford is significant better than the declining Terry? Removing Terry from the locker room for a guy maybe forcing his way out of a team due to money (contract year).

To directly answer your question, the chances aren't very likely that he is overall 'significantly' better and the locker room may or may not be worse if that move was made. I think Jet has seen his best days and Crawford is a lil younger and bigger.

No one in their right mind is saying that Crawford is the answer but, we sure could use the things Crawford does well tho. Especially for the dribble penetration and ability to knock down some clutch shots. The move just isn't going to happen, but if somehow ATL wanted to, I make that move.

[41mvp]

Originally Posted by ReDirkulous Tyme

ever heard that stats aren't everything?

I haven't been happy with Jet's performance the last couple post-seasons, so don't take this the wrong way:

SAY NO TO CRAWFORD

at least Jet knows how to stay within the offense, and he TYPICALLY doesn't become a black hole. Crawford is OVERRATED!!! Horrible percent shooter, takes too many shots, EXTREMELY undisciplined, and very selfish. I want Crawford on the Mavs about as much as I want the black plague...

i'm obviously slightly exaggerating, but you get my point. Jet needs to step it up, and he may not. But this shot-chucker known as Crawford is not the answer to our problems.

You write Jason isn't black hole.You saw how he played in playoffs again San Antonio you saw that You write Jason isn't black hole.You saw how he played in playoffs again San Antonio.You saw this.
You write Crawford takes to many shot.This is Jason Tery stats playoffs game 6 FGM-A 1 - 7 3PM-A 0-2 TO 2.So who takes to many shoot.

[quietsavant]

Tiago Splitter looks like a douche. The End.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

I think Jet has seen his best days and Crawford is a lil younger and bigger.

I don't think "younger" really comes into play when there's only a two-and-a-half year difference in age...

Plus, check the stats and tell me whose game is in a sharper decline:

Terry
07-08: 31.5 MPG / 15.5 PPG / 3.2 APG
08-09: 33.7 MPG / 19.6 PPG / 3.4 APG
09-10: 33.0 MPG / 16.6 PPG / 3.8 APG

Crawford
07-08: 39.9 MPG / 20.6 PPG / 5.0 APG
08-09: 37.1 MPG / 19.7 PPG / 4.4 APG
09-10: 31.1 MPG / 18.0 PPG / 3.0 APG


Sure, Crawford has size, but it hasn't really translated into better defense on the court than what JET gives us... At best, we'd be making a lateral trade just for the sake of shaking things up... At worst, we'd be replacing the black hole that was once Josh Howard with another black hole in Jamal Crawford... No thanks.

I'll take my chances with trying to land a bigger name around the trade deadline - Crawford isn't putting this team over the top, so why waste assets on him?

[41mvp]

Jet and Crafword this both guys aren't good defender players.

[ReDirkulous Tyme]

Originally Posted by Underdog

I don't think "younger" really comes into play when there's only a two-and-a-half year difference in age...

Plus, check the stats and tell me whose game is in a sharper decline:

Terry
07-08: 31.5 MPG / 15.5 PPG / 3.2 APG
08-09: 33.7 MPG / 19.6 PPG / 3.4 APG
09-10: 33.0 MPG / 16.6 PPG / 3.8 APG

Crawford
07-08: 39.9 MPG / 20.6 PPG / 5.0 APG
08-09: 37.1 MPG / 19.7 PPG / 4.4 APG
09-10: 31.1 MPG / 18.0 PPG / 3.0 APG


Sure, Crawford has size, but it hasn't really translated into better defense on the court than what JET gives us... At best, we'd be making a lateral trade just for the sake of shaking things up... At worst, we'd be replacing the black hole that was once Josh Howard with another black hole in Jamal Crawford... No thanks.

I'll take my chances with trying to land a bigger name around the trade deadline - Crawford isn't putting this team over the top, so why waste assets on him?

you hit the nail on the head UD. At best I think this would be a lateral trade, until you consider Jet's locker room presence and the fact that he is a fan favorite. Jet understands how to play within the offense, and he doesn't have an ego issue that will cause problems.

In my opinion, we should get rid of Jet, but only if we can improve our team. Jamaal Crawford doesn't improve this team, in my humble opinion. No point in making a trade just to say you made a trade.

[Rick41]

This argument has gone retarded/annoying...

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by Rick41

This argument has gone retarded/annoying...

At least it's a better conversation than DoJo's tattoo!

[Rick41]

Originally Posted by Underdog

At least it's a better conversation than DoJo's tattoo!

It died out quickly.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Underdog

I don't think "younger" really comes into play when there's only a two-and-a-half year difference in age...

Plus, check the stats and tell me whose game is in a sharper decline:

Terry
07-08: 31.5 MPG / 15.5 PPG / 3.2 APG
08-09: 33.7 MPG / 19.6 PPG / 3.4 APG
09-10: 33.0 MPG / 16.6 PPG / 3.8 APG

Crawford
07-08: 39.9 MPG / 20.6 PPG / 5.0 APG
08-09: 37.1 MPG / 19.7 PPG / 4.4 APG
09-10: 31.1 MPG / 18.0 PPG / 3.0 APG


Sure, Crawford has size, but it hasn't really translated into better defense on the court than what JET gives us... At best, we'd be making a lateral trade just for the sake of shaking things up... At worst, we'd be replacing the black hole that was once Josh Howard with another black hole in Jamal Crawford... No thanks.

I'll take my chances with trying to land a bigger name around the trade deadline - Crawford isn't putting this team over the top, so why waste assets on him?

Well for one his minutes have gone down so you should probably expect his number to drop which they did, slightly.

Hey I understand... he isn't going to put ANY team over the top. He isn't that much of an upgrade overall. I just hope that you and a couple others can understand especially after I have typed it a few times now. There are a few things that he can do better, which just so happens to be in the very department we are lacking. I don't think it's a lateral move, because their game isn't exactly the same.
I never once said he is an answer, just simply that I personally would make that move. I don't really know how big of an asset JET is. He provided us little in the playoffs and if he is in a slump shooting the ball at that very time he is worth less than JJB or Stevenson.

[41mvp]

Originally Posted by Underdog

At least it's a better conversation than DoJo's tattoo!

pleas no!!!

[chumdawg]

For me Terry is not better player Crawford has chance anyway not so Terry.

[SMC0007]

who else see da leprachaun say yeay!!!!!!!!!!!1

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

I don't really know how big of an asset JET is.

Crawford expires this year, which means we can't turn around and trade him to any teams seeking financial relief - his only value is as a player.

Terry expires next year and can be bought-out for less than he's owed - that makes him an asset beyond his abilities as a player...

You only do this trade if you think Crawford can put you over the top, otherwise JET is much more valuable as a $10mil trade chip (especially next summer...)

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Crawford expires this year, which means we can't turn around and trade him to any teams seeking financial relief - his only value is as a player.

Terry expires next year and can be bought-out for less than he's owed - that makes him an asset beyond his abilities as a player...

You only do this trade if you think Crawford can put you over the top, otherwise JET is much more valuable as a $10mil trade chip (especially next summer...)

doesnt that entail RC limiting his minutes to 18 per game or something?
no way that happens.