Roster for this year

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by bunkmoreland

So in theory we could go the route of re-sign Parsons and Williams and add Dwight and have a rotation of:

Williams, Barea
Matthews, Harris
Parsons, Anderson
Dirk, cheap free agent
Dwight, Mejri, Powell

If everybody's healthy, that's not terrible. Not a super threat to the Spurs or Warriors, but a playoff team for sure.

I'm not sure what his market value will be but I wouldn't mind that "cheap free agent" to be Mirza Teletovic...seems to be a poor man's version of Ryan Anderson and could give us some much needed offense from the bench. Would be a nice fit with Mejri and Anderson.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

I'm not sure what his market value will be but I wouldn't mind that "cheap free agent" to be Mirza Teletovic...seems to be a poor man's version of Ryan Anderson and could give us some much needed offense from the bench. Would be a nice fit with Mejri and Anderson.

Would love to get Teletovic here. He may go for more than expected though. Shooters at a premium

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by spreedom

TBH Conley isn't the type of player is be comfortable spending $20M/year on anyway. Deron, at least five years past his prime, gives you almost identical offensive production and he likely won't get a third of the guaranteed total that Conley will.

In this market Conley at $20M would be a steal. He is a much better defender and up until this season pretty durable

[sefant77]

Deron is still cashing in around 14 million dollar from the Nets next season. If he is all about the money: show him the door. At this point in his career he should be all about the winning. Ah and course he cant stay healthy.

I wont offer him more than 7-8 million over 3-4 years. If he doesnt want to stay for this amount: Good luck somewhere else.

[spreedom]

Originally Posted by mac222b

In this market Conley at $20M would be a steal. He is a much better defender and up until this season pretty durable

I could see him ultimately proving to be worth that kind of a contract... but really, a steal when you're committing over a fifth of your salary cap for a point guard who hasn't ever averaged 7apg in a season is kind of ridiculous.

And that goes without saying that if we re-sign Parsons and add Conley, that effectively exhausts our cap space, so we go into next season with Mejri and McGee as our two centers (and likely lose Deron, Felton, Powell, Lee and Zaza).

I don't think that makes us any better next year... hell, we would likely be worse.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by spreedom

I could see him ultimately proving to be worth that kind of a contract... but really, a steal when you're committing over a fifth of your salary cap for a point guard who hasn't ever averaged 7apg in a season is kind of ridiculous.

And that goes without saying that if we re-sign Parsons and add Conley, that effectively exhausts our cap space, so we go into next season with Mejri and McGee as our two centers (and likely lose Deron, Felton, Powell, Lee and Zaza).

I don't think that makes us any better next year... hell, we would likely be worse.

Oh I wasn't debating that. I was just saying relative to what other FA point guards will be getting. With the cap jump etc. Conley will get 25M form someone. So at 20 we'd be getting him at a pretty huge bargsin

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by mac222b

Oh I wasn't debating that. I was just saying relative to what other FA point guards will be getting. With the cap jump etc. Conley will get 25M form someone. So at 20 we'd be getting him at a pretty huge bargsin

25? I just dont think he's getting that much. His stats on paper arent eye popping. And he doesnt get a lot of assists. Outside of being healthy, he and Deron had similar numbers.

[AO41]

If anyone is watching ATL ....thisbisbwh I want us to go after Schroder and to think we could have drafted him.

I think a Schroder and Anderson due would be good for the future and would help in the present

[ocelot_ark]

Originally Posted by AO41

If anyone is watching ATL ....thisbisbwh I want us to go after Schroder and to think we could have drafted him.

I think a Schroder and Anderson due would be good for the future and would help in the present

Always wanted Schroder, myself. Dirk will be attached to the franchise forever, so maybe he'd be a nice motivator for the German.

[BPo001]

Mike Conley isn't coming to Dallas.

[yahyes]

We shouldn't even have PG in the picture.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

25? I just dont think he's getting that much. His stats on paper arent eye popping. And he doesnt get a lot of assists. Outside of being healthy, he and Deron had similar numbers.

So many teams have so much money. It's just supply and demand. Thin pg market. What's a few million extra if you're a team with a ton of cap room and nobody to spend it on?

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by mac222b

So many teams have so much money. It's just supply and demand. Thin pg market. What's a few million extra if you're a team with a ton of cap room and nobody to spend it on?

Yeah, a lot of teams are pre-spending this summer for the 2017 cap raise, so guys who look like they're getting "overpaid" now will be getting closer to market value in a couple years.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by yahyes

We shouldn't even have PG in the picture.

I'd put PG at 2nd unique position, but really our needs should be

1) C
2) C
3) C
4) C
5) PG
6) C

[yahyes]

If the thunder beat san antonio in this series. I'll want our guards to stay trying one more shot at it next season. Maybe add Jamal Crawford or take the chance on Eric Gordon.

[MavzMan]

No way OKC beats SA in a series. They won game 2 with quite a bit of luck. The rest of SA besides LMA will step up now.

[Melonhead]

This feels like the Mavs/Thunder series, except the Thunder are in the Mavs spot..At least game 1 and 2 has played out almost identical. Loading up on Spurs game 3.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

This feels like the Mavs/Thunder series, except the Thunder are in the Mavs spot..At least game 1 and 2 has played out almost identical. Loading up on Spurs game 3.

Yup, look for a couple Spurs blowouts capped off by a strong OKC push that ends in futility.

[sefant77]

Sign one of Hassan or Horford to a max contract
Sign Conley to a max contract
Bye Parsons
Bye Deron

Conley/Barea
Wes/Devin
Simba
Dirk
HorfordorHassan/Mejri

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by sefant77

Sign one of Hassan or Horford to a max contract
Sign Conley to a max contract
Bye Parsons
Bye Deron

Conley/Barea
Wes/Devin
Simba
Dirk
HorfordorHassan/Mejri

Why would Conley and Horford/Whitehead want to join up with Dirk, Wes and Simba? I like Anderson, but none of these free agents feel the same way about him as Mavs fans do... They're gonna want a guy like Parsons, minimum.

[MavzMan]

Before you post on free agent signings, please ask yourself "Why would player X come to Dallas?"

Conley is NOT leaving Memphis.
Horford I would not be surprised if he stayed in Atlanta also since they can offer him max also and keep pretty much the same competitive team.
Whiteside will probably only leave if Miami doesn't offer him max which his max as a 5th year player is pretty reasonable ... so again unlikely he leaves.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

I still worry that just getting an upgrade at center whilst also keeping Parsons isn't going to really change the issues with the team. I discuss this ad nauseam because at some point you need to focus on what really ails the team versus just going for some pie in the sky players. Of course we need a center, but it can't be like last season where Zaza was run into the ground. A player like Dwight Howard and his injury history won't last the first 30 games if he is used the way Zaza was. One player cannot cover up the defensive and rebounding woes of Williams, Parsons, and Dirk. Especially the rebounding since Matthews isn't a good rebounder either. I think a commitment to playing Mejri and Powell will certainly help. And substituting Anderson in early is also an aid. But are those guys really going to be a serious part of the rotation? So much grey area with this squad yet again.

[BigDog63]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I still worry that just getting an upgrade at center whilst also keeping Parsons isn't going to really change the issues with the team. I discuss this ad nauseam because at some point you need to focus on what really ails the team versus just going for some pie in the sky players. Of course we need a center, but it can't be like last season where Zaza was run into the ground. A player like Dwight Howard and his injury history won't last the first 30 games if he is used the way Zaza was. One player cannot cover up the defensive and rebounding woes of Williams, Parsons, and Dirk. Especially the rebounding since Matthews isn't a good rebounder either. I think a commitment to playing Mejri and Powell will certainly help. And substituting Anderson in early is also an aid. But are those guys really going to be a serious part of the rotation? So much grey area with this squad yet again.

Which is why one need they need to fill is a backup PF/C who is a rebounding machine, and can play defense at the 4/5.

We've had success in this area, but let them go. DeJuan Blair comes to mind. Different position, but Aminu too. He was the Marion clone this team desperately needs.

As for not changing the issues with the team, that horse has left the barn. The MAIN issue with this team is they have done NOTHING in the draft, and have no young talent. Anderson not a bad start, but you can't get absolutely nothing out of over a decade of drafting and not expect it to leave your roster depleted. Which is why they have to go after older players with injury issues...because they fit their cap. Younger players with potential (like Conley) are going to be way too expensive.

[Javale McGeeber]

Originally Posted by spreedom

And let's assume we re-sign Parsons to $20M even, Dirk opts in, Deron opts out and we bring back McGee.

Barea/Harris
Matthews/Anderson
Parsons/Evans
Nowitzki
Whiteside/Mejri/McGee

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[sefant77]

Horford is pretty much in the LMA situation. Its forever Atlanta or something new.

Atlanta is pretty much a dead NBA city, no one cares in the RS and cares a little bit in the playoffs. They have a solid team but also nothing really special.

[Skywalker]

I think it's very unlikely we significantly improve our team via free agency this offseason. IF we do it, it's going to be via trade(s). Just don't ask me how.

[purplefrog]

RFA Festus Ezelli is intriguing. Warriors have to plan for Curry, Iquodala, Livingston, and Barnes. Green and Thompson are already making north of $15M. Would they pay Ezelli $15M? Problem is you tie up big money (for one or two weeks?) and I hate that idea.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by purplefrog

RFA Festus Ezelli is intriguing. Warriors have to plan for Curry, Iquodala, Livingston, and Barnes. Green and Thompson are already making north of $15M. Would they pay Ezelli $15M? Problem is you tie up big money (for one or two weeks?) and I hate that idea.

Teams have 7 days to match an offer sheet.

But, yeah, I really like Ezelli as well -- probably one of the few RFAs I'd be interested in pursuing, if we went that direction...

[MavzMan]

I really think Anderson and Mejri can go a long way to improving our defense and rebounding. If we don't get Howard, then this team may not have a single guy that gets a large number of rebounds which just means we'll have to be team rebounding a lot. That is where those two and even Powell hopefully can contribute significantly.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by purplefrog

RFA Festus Ezelli is intriguing. Warriors have to plan for Curry, Iquodala, Livingston, and Barnes. Green and Thompson are already making north of $15M. Would they pay Ezelli $15M? Problem is you tie up big money (for one or two weeks?) and I hate that idea.

Ezeli should definitely be pursued, because at the end of the day, I find it hard to believe the Mavs are landing Howard, Horford, Whiteside. And when Deron thinks his shit dont stink, Id take a hard look at Livingston if possible.

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Ezeli should definitely be pursued, because at the end of the day, I find it hard to believe the Mavs are landing Howard, Horford, Whiteside. And when Deron thinks his shit dont stink, Id take a hard look at Livingston if possible.

Wouldn't surprise me if Ezeli and Harrison Barnes follow Walton to the Lakers.

[sefant77]

Warriors are paying Ezeli and they are paying Barnes if they dont have another target (Durant). Cant see the owner not going deep into LT to ride this team for 4-5 years as one of THE contender.

In 2017 Curry gets his Super-Max but same time Bogut and Iggy are up with their 11 million contracts. Bogut is probably gone and Iggy at age 33 need to take a discount if he wants to stay.


Even if they are paying their entire S5 80-90 million a year, they are able to fill their bench with cheap ring chaser and rookies.

[EricaLubarsky]

Hortford is freaking awful and not what we need. We don't need a sub-par rebounder and defender at center. Our only chance is to grab an elite rebounder/shot blocker to help us be legitimate on defense and rebounding while Parsons and Dirk play together. Once Dirk retires and Parsons plays PF next to Anderson we'll be fine, but a frontcourt of Parsons/Dirk/Hortford could be the only lineup worse than Zaza

[yahyes]

I really don't see ezeli being the X factor to get Dallas to competiting for real. He also isn't as good for the big contract. Though I'd resort to byombo starting then for that kind of contract. Especially the more you see the Warriors win. Ezeli one of kerr's players. I don't think Donnie should spend his time first looking at the Warriors free agents.

[yahyes]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Hortford is freaking awful and not what we need. We don't need a sub-par rebounder and defender at center. Our only chance is to grab an elite rebounder/shot blocker to help us be legitimate on defense and rebounding while Parsons and Dirk play together. Once Dirk retires and Parsons plays PF next to Anderson we'll be fine, but a frontcourt of Parsons/Dirk/Hortford could be the only lineup worse than Zaza

Yeah right, you're discrediting his scoring abilities. That coach mike Budweiser tries too hard to play him like duncan. But he's not. The series he's in now is just as important in what system he can win in. He's a player Carlisle would play a lot and I won't mind it. Primarily because he can shoot/score.

[yahyes]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Ezeli should definitely be pursued, because at the end of the day, I find it hard to believe the Mavs are landing Howard, Horford, Whiteside. And when Deron thinks his shit dont stink, Id take a hard look at Livingston if possible.

How long does bogut have left in playing? Because I can pretty much see kerr perhaps have him be the starter the way things are looking... For the future with curry and thompson.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by yahyes

Yeah right, you're discrediting his scoring abilities. That coach mike Budweiser tries too hard to play him like duncan. But he's not. The series he's in now is just as important in what system he can win in. He's a player Carlisle would play a lot and I won't mind it. Primarily because he can shoot/score.

...because our whole issue this year was not enough scoring from the center spot, not cripplingly awful rebounding and interior defense

So we go into the postseason and fix our defense and rebounding... By getting worse at both for a center who can shoot jumpers. Makes sense. I am confused as to why a guy who was so limited offensively in Mejri netted us a cumulative +/- of over 60 in the series of we really just needed scoring.

[yahyes]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

...because our whole issue this year was not enough scoring from the center spot, not cripplingly awful rebounding and interior defense

So we go into the postseason and fix our defense and rebounding... By getting worse at both for a center who can shoot jumpers. Makes sense. I am confused as to why a guy who was so limited offensively in Mejri netted us a cumulative +/- of over 60 in the series of we really just needed scoring.

The issue was not having another scoring option mainly. Plus rebounding settled the series against oklahoma basically. I mean felton, a sore back JJ, and half injured Deron helped shut down westbrook. That game 2 mostly. There was competition. I think Al would help take a lot of pressure off of Parsons and Deron into being main offensive guys. Which can spread the ball offensively like crazy if this season starters plugs him in. Especially if he can spread the ball around like Dirk. No other center is close to doing that. His rebounding is fair. Still can grab offensive boards good.

[quietsavant]

I would personally love to see the mavs go after Joakim Noah at the 5 and maybe not spend max money as they would have to for horford or howard. He's been hampered by injuries but it can be argued that that should leverage the contract $$ in the mavs' FO favor.

This much I know about Noah.. when healthy he's very engaged, vocal and fiery on the court.. the likes of which we haven't had at the 5 spot since Tyson.

he's a solid rebounder and shot blocker and damn good passer from the post. This season of course being the anomaly partly because of injuries and losing rebounds and mins to Pau gasol and Nikola.

But for the dollars the others will command, a healthy Noah will get more bang for the buck, IMO.

[bunkmoreland]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

That starting lineup is going to have defensive issues. And honestly, I'm not really sure how the offense is much different either. And I still think rebounding is an issue as well.

Basically, Howard and Parsons need to be the best versions of themselves for that to work. Not saying it can't work, but I still don't think we're close to contention.

I don't disagree. It's really difficult to envision likely signings or possible trades that raise the roster to the level of title contention. Going this route would at best get the team into the playoffs for Dirk's last two years, without a chance to be competitive once in.