Free Agent Watch: CP3 & D12

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

If they're teaming up, Atlanta makes the most sense, with Dallas closely behind them.

Atlanta makes a ton of sense . . . if they enjoy playing in an empty arena.

For some reason, the people of Atlanta have little interest in supporting their local sports teams - even when they're good. Hell, nobody even bothers to show up during the playoffs, so I'm not sure if any combination of superstars would draw a crowd in that city.

[Wang Zhi Zhi]

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/s...gether-sources

Chris Paul and Dwight Howard have been in consistent contact recently about the possibility of becoming teammates next season, according to league sources.

Paul and Howard will be the biggest free agents on the market this summer, and their desire is to play together, the sources said.

"They would love to play together if somebody can make it happen," one of the sources said.

The Atlanta Hawks could make it happen. Atlanta, which is Howard's hometown, has the cap room to sign both players to maximum-salaried contracts.
Howard is not particularly fond of the idea of returning to Atlanta, but he would do so to team up with Paul, the sources said.

But Paul, despite recently being upset with the Clippers over the perception that he got coach Vinny Del Negro fired, is unlikely to leave Los Angeles, one source said. He has gotten over his anger with the club and likes living in Los Angeles.
"It would be very tough for him to go to Atlanta," the source said. "He loved Atlanta when they should have drafted him in '05 but not so much since then. But hey, everybody is an option at this point."

The preference for both players would be to play together for the Clippers, according to the sources. Because the Clippers don't have enough cap room to sign Howard as a free agent, it would take a sign-and-trade deal with the Lakers to make it happen.
The Clippers would be open to working out a deal, but they fear the Lakers would never trade Howard to them, according to the sources.

But while trading Howard to a team in their own building seems unthinkable, the Lakers are not likely to get a better trade package elsewhere than say, Blake Griffin and Eric Bledsoe.

Sources say there was a faction of the Clippers organization that entertained the idea of trading Griffin for Howard when Howard wanted out of Orlando in 2012. But others within the franchise regarded Griffin as "untouchable," and there were never any serious discussions with Orlando.

Multiple sources insist Griffin remains untouchable. But realistically he would have to be included in any deal that brought Howard to the Clippers.

Paul and Howard have been communicating via text messages. This is not the first time they've talked about teaming up together.
During the lockout of 2011, they spoke often about going to Dallas together to play for the Mavericks. But their subsequent trades, Howard's decision to opt into the final year of his contract in Orlando and Dallas' current payroll situation seemed to eliminate the possibility of them becoming teammates.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by sefant77

New CBA help please:

I know that a team over the cap (like Nets) cant receive Dwight (or anyone else) in a S&T (Lakers re-sign and ship him to Brooklyn for Lopez etc doesnt work).

Now i read this:

Clippers are under the cap (so no problem like the Nets would have) but the Lakers are over it. The Lakers could S&T Dwight to another team?

No, the Lakers are over the luxury tax threshold and can't do any sign-and-trades... Nor would they, especially if it made their crosstown rivals better.

Where are you getting this garbage?


EDIT: after looking at Wang Zhi Zhi's post, I think it's safe to assume that this "info" came from Chris Broussard... And his sources are high again (which is another way of saying that Broussard needs to lay off the trees).

[MavsFTR]

You know what's frustrating? After the past several seasons of saving up cap space and plan powder and all this talk, we STILL are incapable of signing those two together.

[LonghornDub]

If the Mavs had just a bit more cap room, I'd actually feel like they have a somewhat decent chance to get both guys.

As it stands, they'll have to get pretty creative to create enough room. And obviously, both guys would have to take under max.

Stranger things have happened....

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

If the Mavs had just a bit more cap room, I'd actually feel like they have a somewhat decent chance to get both guys.

As it stands, they'll have to get pretty creative to create enough room. And obviously, both guys would have to take under max.

Stranger things have happened....

Stranger things like . . . LeBron, Wade and Bosh taking less money to team up?

Yes, stranger things HAVE happened.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Both teaming up in Atlanta? Both teaming up with the Clippers? The Lakers trading Howard to the Clippers?

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Both teaming up in Atlanta? Both teaming up with the Clippers? The Lakers trading Howard to the Clippers?

Web hits... If everybody stopped clicking the links, those rumors would go away.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Web hits... If everybody stopped clicking the links, those rumors would go away.

Haha, I know. It's just funny. We knew it was going to be like this. Next we'll hear that Paul may actually consider playing for Sacramento.

[Bayliss]

Next we'll hear that Paul may actually consider playing for Sacramento.

He may even quit basketball and go work at State Farm.....

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Next we'll hear that Paul may actually consider playing for Sacramento.

Ummmm...

Chris Paul would ‘look pretty good in a Sacramento Kings uniform,’ says new Kings coach

[LonghornDub]

IMO these are the only realistically possible outcomes (in order):

1) Both guys stay with their respective LA teams
2) Howard to HOU; CP3 stays in LA
3) Both guys to Dallas
4) Both guys to Atlanta

(big gap)

5) Both guys to Houston (very unlikely given the Lin situation, etc.)

Everything else we're hearing, to me, seems like rumor mongering.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Atlanta makes a ton of sense . . . if they enjoy playing in an empty arena.

For some reason, the people of Atlanta have little interest in supporting their local sports teams - even when they're good. Hell, nobody even bothers to show up during the playoffs, so I'm not sure if any combination of superstars would draw a crowd in that city.

Then Seattle should get the Hawks or figure something out to get rid of the Hawks.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

IMO these are the only realistically possible outcomes (in order):

1) Both guys stay with their respective LA teams
2) Howard to HOU; CP3 stays in LA
3) Both guys to Dallas
4) Both guys to Atlanta

(big gap)

5) Both guys to Houston (very unlikely given the Lin situation, etc.)

Everything else we're hearing, to me, seems like rumor mongering.

I agree with all that, but I'd also list Howard-to-Dallas right above both guys going to Houston... Sure, Hardin is obviously a better option than Dirk for the long-term, but Carlisle/Cuban might be able to swing some interest our way, and there are some pretty good PG's (Wall, Jennings, Bledsoe, Vasquez) hitting the market when Dirk comes off the books. I think we at least have a remote chance to entice Howard with the right pitch.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Then Seattle should get the Hawks or figure something out to get rid of the Hawks.

I'm coming more from a player's point-of-view - the NBA has little interest in killing the 8th-largest TV market, regardless of fan turnout at the games.

But I definitely agree that Seattle should get a team (like the Bobcats?)

[MavsFTR]

What about if Paul and Howard both agree to 1 year deals, then next year when Dirk is off the books, we sign them for max deals?

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by MavsFTR

You know what's frustrating? After the past several seasons of saving up cap space and plan powder and all this talk, we STILL are incapable of signing those two together.

Be pissed at Dwight, Paul wanted them both to join the Mavs after 2011. But then Dwight began with his 3848949 mind changes

[OneLove22]

How much cap room do we need in order to afford two max deals?

[OneLove22]

Originally Posted by sefant77

Be pissed at Dwight, Paul wanted them both to join the Mavs after 2011. But then Dwight began with his 3848949 mind changes

I don't think he has ever changed his mind about playing with CP3 though.

[Dirk's Knee]

Originally Posted by OneLove22

How much cap room do we need in order to afford two max deals?

If you mean to sign CP3 and D12 in addition to Dirk, it can not happen. We already have 1 max deal on the books, so you're talking about 3 max deals. Those 3 players alone would exceed the cap. What do you do with the other 7 required roster spots, which would all pretty much have to be min salaries? Who's gonna take the floor when those guys sit? We can afford 1 max deal, and then maybe another next year when Dirk's contract is up.

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by Underdog

I agree with all that, but I'd also list Howard-to-Dallas right above both guys going to Houston... Sure, Hardin is obviously a better option than Dirk for the long-term, but Carlisle/Cuban might be able to swing some interest our way, and there are some pretty good PG's (Wall, Jennings, Bledsoe, Vasquez) hitting the market when Dirk comes off the books. I think we at least have a remote chance to entice Howard with the right pitch.

Yes, you're right. That option should be included, and I think right where you say.

[Bayliss]

We aren't getting either. Mavs really need to look at the draft and try and get some good young talent to someday make a trade for the golden piece.

[OneLove22]

Originally Posted by Dirk's Knee

If you mean to sign CP3 and D12 in addition to Dirk, it can not happen. We already have 1 max deal on the books, so you're talking about 3 max deals. Those 3 players alone would exceed the cap. What do you do with the other 7 required roster spots, which would all pretty much have to be min salaries? Who's gonna take the floor when those guys sit? We can afford 1 max deal, and then maybe another next year when Dirk's contract is up.

So sign and trade is the only way.... damn it's never going to happen.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by Bayliss

We aren't getting either. Mavs really need to look at the draft and try and get some good young talent to someday make a trade for the golden piece.

The odds of us getting Paul or Howard are MUCH better than a #13 pick ever landing us a superstar in the future.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by OneLove22

So sign and trade is the only way....

Or Paul and Howard can do the same thing as LeBron/Wade/Bosh and take less money... The blueprint for a superteam is simple: sacrifice max contracts, increase the chance of winning a ring.

[Windmill360]

the Lakers are not likely to get a better trade package elsewhere than say, Blake Griffin and Eric Bledsoe.

:lol:

Eric bledsoe is a scrub and so is eric gordon.

[yahyes]

They're hinting for sure about leaving. Just really hope it's to the Mavs joining forces with Dirk. Now I'll go off and sing... "I believe I can fly.. I believe I can touch the sky".

[yahyes]

Originally Posted by Windmill360

:lol:

Eric bledsoe is a scrub and so is eric gordon.

The Clippers have overrated Eric Bledsoe this past season so much. I call him Drew Bledsoe.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Or Paul and Howard can do the same thing as LeBron/Wade/Bosh and take less money... The blueprint for a superteam is simple: sacrifice max contracts, increase the chance of winning a ring.

Even if Marion opted out and re-signed for 3yrs.18
Shawn 6mil, Dirk 22, Cp3 15, Dwight 15- thats approx 58 million right there.
Thats not including VC, Jae, Cunningham, Bernard James, 1st rd. pick and several cap holds.

I think we would all agree a sign and trade for CP3 is highly unlikely but it might be the only way to sign both players. That or Marion opts out and doesn't re-sign with the Mavs. Neither is very likely to happen but the sign and trade route is at least a possibilty, right? In which case Marion's contract could prove valuable. Any cap savvy types want to weigh in?

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Yeah, he's been waffling for awhile.



I get that, but that's not my point.

It's kind of a chickensh*t move to be honest. This is a coach who, in the last five years, has won an NBA Finals, an EC championship, and has another ECF appearance. They haven't even missed the playoffs yet and he's already planning his exit strategy? Not to mention he signed a big extension a couple years ago knowing that his core was aging and wouldn't be around much longer. Now he wants to get paid a buyout and go coach the Clippers to get paid twice?

I've always liked Doc, but it's kinda bush league.

Totally agree with this post. So much for his Ubuntu bullshit.
Also sucks because if the Clippers do get Doc I think it sets in motion Pierce and/or Garnett to LA and CP3 stays

[mac222b]

Does anyone know what % of his previous contract Trix could re-sign with us for?
If he's making 9.3 does it have to be within a certain range of that in the first year? He can't, for instance, opt out and sign a contract that pays 4,6 and 8 million in successive years? Are those "poison pill" back loaded deals reserved for restricted free agents?

[mac222b]

Also Marion has 15% trade kicker so that one time 3million in cash may have to come into play for a team to swallow his contract.

[oilfieldtrash]

There is no way I trade Marion and the lottery pick just to dump his salary. He's still a decent player and it's one year left on the deal.
I hope it's just rumor and the mavs aren't seriously thinking about this.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by mac222b

Even if Marion opted out and re-signed for 3yrs.18
Shawn 6mil, Dirk 22, Cp3 15, Dwight 15- thats approx 58 million right there.
Thats not including VC, Jae, Cunningham, Bernard James, 1st rd. pick and several cap holds.

I think we would all agree a sign and trade for CP3 is highly unlikely but it might be the only way to sign both players. That or Marion opts out and doesn't re-sign with the Mavs. Neither is very likely to happen but the sign and trade route is at least a possibilty, right? In which case Marion's contract could prove valuable. Any cap savvy types want to weigh in?

I know David Lord wrote an article on how we could do it without a sign-and-trade, but you have to be an Insider to read it...

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by oilfieldtrash

There is no way I trade Marion and the lottery pick just to dump his salary. He's still a decent player and it's one year left on the deal.
I hope it's just rumor and the mavs aren't seriously thinking about this.

Just to dump his salary . . . TO MAKE ROOM FOR DWIGHT HOWARD AND CHRIS PAUL.

If the Mavs aren't seriously thinking about this, then they should have never broken up our championship squad. So nut-up and enjoy the ride, otherwise there are plenty of "safer" teams you can root for.

[Ring_for_Dirk]

A good message this day! CP3 and D12 wanna join Forces!

The both of them and the Mavs nucleus are an expensive but incredible Team! And guys is could happen!

Lakers can not receive a Player in a sign & trade deal but they can sign & trade a Player to send him out and receiving picks!

That is the way it could work!

In a three team deal Mavs send Collison, Cunningham, Crowder and the 13th and 44th for two pick future 1st picks and to have outgoing value 3,3+1,2+0,8+1,8+0,5 and CBA allows to get 5m more back and to add 3m in cash - so the incoming value additonal to cap space could be more than 15m!!

It is time that Marion ETO and we can waive Carter to strech his Provision down to 1m a year. Carter love it to Play in Dallas and will sign for minimum later, Marion can sign a 3y MLE deal around 16m to come back!
All the other players can also come back if the salary is "over" the cap. We have the non-bird rights of this players, that allows to re sign them with 120% of the last money. Means Mayo and Morrow with 4,8m orKaman with up to 9,6m and also Beaubois, Wright, Brand, James - an incredible team! Expensive but incredible!!

So we have to do:

1) Marion ETO, waive Carter and strech his Provision to 1m over 3y.
2) With Nowitzki 22,7m on the books and Carters streched Provision with 1m, Cunningham, Crowder and 13th & 44th pick and 8 cap holders of 0,49m. Summary 31,5m salary and 27m CAP room!
3) Sign Paul as an free Agent for 18,699,491.83m it is a 4 year deal with 80 Million.
4) Receive Howard from Lakers for 18,699,491.83m 4years (80million), send three future 1st picks to Lakers and a 18,699,491.83m trade exception and send Collison(S&T), Cunningham, Crowder, 13th pick to Utah or Charlotte and get two future 1st from them! If the Lakers send Gasol out and become under 71m CAP they allowed to use the trade exception, get some talent or try Bynum again! Additional three future picks!
5) Sign Marion with MLE 16m 3y, re sign Mayo, Morrow, Beaubois, Wright, Kaman, Brand, Carter, James

Win rings again!

Howard, Kaman, Wright
Nowitzki, Brand, Marion
Marion, Carter, Morrow
Mayo, Morrow, Beaubois
Paul, Beaubois, James

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by Ring_for_Dirk

A good message this day! CP3 and D12 wanna join Forces!

The both of them and the Mavs nucleus are an incredible Team! And guys is could happen!

Lakers can not receive a Player in a sign & trade deal but they can sign & trade a Player to send him out and receiving picks!

That is the way it could work!

Mave send Collison, Cunningham, Crowder and the 13th for two pick future 1st picks.

It is time that Marion ETO and we can waive Carter to strech his Provision down to 1m a year. Carter love it to Play in Dallas and will sign for Minimum later, Marion can sign a 3y MLE deal around 16m to come back!
All the other players can also come back "over" the cap. We have the non-bird rights of this Player, that allows to re sign them with 120% of the last Money. Means Mayo and Morrow with 4,8m also Kaman with up to 9,6m and also Beaubois, Wright, Brand, James - an incredible team!

So we have to do:

1) Marion ETO, waive Carter and strech his Provision to 1m over 3y.
2) Only Nowitzki with 22,7m on the books, Carters streched Provision with 1m, Cunningham, Crowder and 13th & 44th pick and 8 cap holders of 0,49m. Summary 31,5m salary and 27m CAP room!
3) Sign Paul as an free Agent for 17m still 10m CAP left!
4) Receive Howard from Lakers for 17m, send three future 1st picks to Lakers and a 17m trade exception and send Collison(S&T), Cunningham, Crowder, 13th pick to Utah or Charlotte and get two future 1st from them!
5) Sign Marion with MLE 16m 3y, re sign Mayo, Morrow, Beaubois, Wright, Kaman, Brand, Carter, James
Win the ring again!

Howard, Kaman, Wright
Nowitzki, Brand, Marion
Marion, Carter, Morrow
Mayo, Morrow, Beaubois
Paul, Beaubois, James

EL OH EL!!! (Unless youre being sarcastic)

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

EL OH EL!!! (Unless youre being sarcastic)

Me oh Me?

[oilfieldtrash]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Just to dump his salary . . . TO MAKE ROOM FOR DWIGHT HOWARD AND CHRIS PAUL.

If the Mavs aren't seriously thinking about this, then they should have never broken up our championship squad. So nut-up and enjoy the ride, otherwise there are plenty of "safer" teams you can root for.

Sorry kid but I've been watching the mavs since 98 and plan to watch till I die. My whole living room is decked out in mavs gear so dont plan on me giving up on my team anytime soon. Shouldn't you be watching the spurs or rockets and leave us north Texans to our mavs?

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by oilfieldtrash

Sorry kid but I've been watching the mavs since 98 and plan to watch till I die.

You can't call me "kid" if you STARTED watching the Mavs in '98... I was old enough to drink alcohol at the games by then (which was about the only thing worth doing at a Mavs game in the '90s).

Shouldn't you be watching the spurs or rockets and leave us north Texans to our mavs?

Sorry, you must be confusing me with somebody else - I live in Dallas.

And if you're such a diehard Mavs fan, then quit bitching and moaning about the offseason when nothing has even happened yet... At this rate, it almost sounds like you WANT the Mavs to fail so you can say "I told you so!"

It's not like our front office doesn't know how to put together a contender... Nut-up and get behind your team, superfan.