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dude1394 · 12-17-2006, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

So you would be unplussed if Zaccanelli and Perot bought the team back? I mean, NOBODY made money like those guys made money.

Well were they successful in putting a team on the floor that contended every year? If not no. If so sure.

chumdawg · 12-17-2006, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MFFL

A better question might be - does everyone agree that Cuban is spending less money on "expenses associated to payroll" this year?

The rest of the argument will proceed from there.

I don't just agree. I know it for a fact. And it's due to a plan that has been in place for a couple years now.

Buy 'em cheap, and sell 'em high. Every businessman would be proud. You go, Guban.

MFFL · 12-17-2006, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

Yup...just like memphis, seattle, portland, nok, atlanta, sacremento, knicks, celtics, charlotte, toronto. Same ole, same ole.

Or Detriot, San Antonio, Phoenix, Denver, Miami, or LA Lakers

The Sacremento owners are great - they just had some bad luck with the Webber injury. I wonder how good our roster would look Dirk-less.

dude1394 · 12-17-2006, 01:28 AM

Buy crappy franchise, get them to the nba finals, sell team. What's the damn problem if he did?

Drbio · 12-17-2006, 01:28 AM

chums argument is only factually based on his hatred of Cuban for not signing Nash.

That said and unanimously agreed upon.....he is trying to hold onto a dying stick by diverting the argument into the arena of finance. His new premise (which is hard to follwo because it changes so much) is that Cuban sucks because Cuban is trying to make money. He masks his hatred and this new premise in comments about reduced payroll and profit mongering. No matter what is espoused from this point on it simply does not matter.

Cuban spends a lot of money on what he and his management feels provides the best chance at winning. It is hard to fault him for trying to get under the tax rate when he has shown that he is very willing to put his money where his mouth is and spend over the tax to pursue a championship. He likely can't afford to stay over the tax forever you know? Perhaps he is adjusting the payroll to allow him to do it again if a championship caliber palyer is within reach and this is bad timing for AI. Profits are expected in business ventures. He is entitled to reap the rewards of his hard work. To say otherwise is stupid.

So...the bottom line of this entire unfortunate thread is that chummy hates Cuban because he didn't re-sign Nash who chum has a chubby for. The remainder is smoke, mirrors and chums inability to properly formulate a valid defense against normal operations.

I wish chum had said that he hates Cuban for simply losing Nash, Nellie, and Finley. That might make more sense. Maybe.

chumdawg · 12-17-2006, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

Well were they successful in putting a team on the floor that contended every year? If not no. If so sure.

Well, that's an interesting question. Let's say that for whatever reason, Cuban has to pass the team on to Perot tomorrow. Hey, there is no reason for debate. We all know that Perot was in it for the money.

The question would be: If you were in it for the money, how would you run the Mavs?

That's almost threadworthy.

Or, we could just watch Cuban for a while. After all, learn from the expert...

dude1394 · 12-17-2006, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Drbio

So...the bottom line of this entire unfortunate thread is that chummy hates Cuban because he didn't re-sign Nash who chum has a chubby for. The remainder is smoke, mirrors and chums inability to properly formulate a valid defense against normal operations.

I wish chum had said that he hates Cuban for simply losing Nash, Nellie, and Finley. That might make more sense. Maybe.

Jilted man-love is an ugly thing.

Drbio · 12-17-2006, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by MFFL

I am not going to give him any props for being a good owner because he is spending a VERY SLIGHT amount over the LT this year. Especially since next year he probably won't pay any LT at all.

I hope he can reduce payroll below the tax to give him the flexibility to go back over if the right deal comes along. He has shown by action that he is willing to do so.

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He's just another owner - especially since the NBA has cracked down on his sideline antics.

I'm not sure why the sideline part is relevant but he is one owner of an NBA team. I don't think owners need to be individualists or media dominant to be successful.

Don't get me wrong Wayne....I respect where YOU are coming from. We see it a little differently I suppose.

FINtastic · 12-17-2006, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

I don't just agree. I know it for a fact. And it's due to a plan that has been in place for a couple years now.

Buy 'em cheap, and sell 'em high. Every businessman would be proud. You go, Guban.

What's the problem with him selling high? It ain't hurting me as a fan. What hurt me as a fan was when we were being bought that low in the first place - because it meant that we were sucking pretty royally at the time.

chumdawg · 12-17-2006, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Drbio

chums argument is only factually based on his hatred of Cuban for not signing Nash.

That said and unanimously agreed upon.....he is trying to hold onto a dying stick by diverting the argument into the arena of finance. His new premise (which is hard to follwo because it changes so much) is that Cuban sucks because Cuban is trying to make money. He masks his hatred and this new premise in comments about reduced payroll and profit mongering. No matter what is espoused from this point on it simply does not matter.

Cuban spends a lot of money on what he and his management feels provides the best chance at winning. It is hard to fault him for trying to get under the tax rate when he has shown that he is very willing to put his money where his mouth is and spend over the tax to pursue a championship. He likely can't afford to stay over the tax forever you know? Perhaps he is adjusting the payroll to allow him to do it again if a championship caliber palyer is within reach and this is bad timing for AI. Profits are expected in business ventures. He is entitled to reap the rewards of his hard work. To say otherwise is stupid.

So...the bottom line of this entire unfortunate thread is that chummy hates Cuban because he didn't re-sign Nash who chum has a chubby for. The remainder is smoke, mirrors and chums inability to properly formulate a valid defense against normal operations.

I wish chum had said that he hates Cuban for simply losing Nash, Nellie, and Finley. That might make more sense. Maybe.

Honestly, I would respond to that if it made even one word of sense.

Drbio · 12-17-2006, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

Honestly, I would respond to that if it made even one word of sense.

Nuff said. Stuck on Stupid is your mantra after all.

FINtastic · 12-17-2006, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

Well, that's an interesting question. Let's say that for whatever reason, Cuban has to pass the team on to Perot tomorrow. Hey, there is no reason for debate. We all know that Perot was in it for the money.

The question would be: If you were in it for the money, how would you run the Mavs?

That's almost threadworthy.

Or, we could just watch Cuban for a while. After all, learn from the expert...

We already know how Perot would run the Mavs - poorly. He's already shown us that.

MFFL · 12-17-2006, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Drbio

Cuban spends a lot of money on what he and his management feels provides the best chance at winning.

I will agree that we have A chance, not the best chance.

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It is hard to fault him for trying to get under the tax rate when he has shown that he is very willing to put his money where his mouth is and spend over the tax to pursue a championship.

This is a "what have you done for me lately" industry. Cuban USED to put his money where his mouth is, but those days are probably gone.

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He likely can't afford to stay over the tax forever you know?

Sure - just like the rest of the herd that calls themselves the lackies of Stern. He's nothing special anymore and remember this is a "what have you done for me lately" industry.

Maybe Cuban's wife is cracking the whip and forcing him to stop spending so much money on the Mavs.

But I doubt if the few million dollars Cuban would lose by trading for AI will break the Bank of Cuban - but its not my money.

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Perhaps he is adjusting the payroll to allow him to do it again if a championship caliber palyer is within reach and this is bad timing for AI.

And I'll be wrong if he does. But until he does then he has to be judged on his CURRENT actions.

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Profits are expected in business ventures. He is entitled to reap the rewards of his hard work. To say otherwise is stupid.

I'm not saying otherwise. But I'm not going to give him props for being a graduate of Stern U. But he was once a great owner - a great epithat is the best I can muster.

Drbio · 12-17-2006, 01:46 AM

You know how badly I want AI here so with that said I think this might be a bad time in the Mavs calendar to make the trade assuming that Cuban and management have a plan in place which they must. Trying to get under the tax is a good business move. I don't doubt for a second that if Cuban thought he could improve the team by going over the tax that he would spend the dollars.

There is a philosophical point here to make....if managment thinks that losing Devin Harris for a rental of AI for a few years is not in the best interest of franchise success then I understand not going after AI. They are the hoops professionals. We are all fans with good opinions.

But this isn't an AI issue as much of a business continuity issue. Well...that and chum hating on Cuban for not signing his lover Nash.

chumdawg · 12-17-2006, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Drbio

Nuff said. Stuck on Stupid is your mantra after all.

Here's an idea. Get your payroll down the league minimum for other contending teams. Sell your dumbfuck fans that you are great! Collect profits. Watch the money roll in!

Drbio · 12-17-2006, 01:56 AM

My mistake.....Stuck on Stupid 501.

dude1394 · 12-17-2006, 01:57 AM

Hmm...used to be interesting to discuss things with you.

chumdawg · 12-17-2006, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

Hmm...used to be interesting to discuss things with you.

Used to be interesting when the Mavs had options. Sadly, now it's all just about reducing contracts as much as is possible.

I share your loss.

Drbio · 12-17-2006, 02:11 AM

My msitake....Stuck on Stupid 601.

dude1394 · 12-17-2006, 02:12 AM

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My msitake....Stuck on Stupid 601.

It's gotten pretty bad. There isn't a thread on this board that doesn't have chum shtick all over it.

Drbio · 12-17-2006, 02:15 AM

Schtick and STINK.

chumdawg · 12-17-2006, 02:16 AM

And a micro class (so easy as Econ 2301) would figure it out. But as I said, you should probably concentrate on the shinebox. More career potential in it for you.

Don't be lazy, though. Just a word to the wise...

chumdawg · 12-17-2006, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

It's gotten pretty bad. There isn't a thread on this board that doesn't have chum shtick all over it.

I keep trying to encourage you to use your mind. You don't seem to be willing.

All Heil Cuban!

Drbio · 12-17-2006, 02:20 AM

Stuck on Stupid 801.

dude1394 · 12-17-2006, 02:22 AM

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Stuck on Stupid 801.

Not sure it's stupid as much as just stuck on asshole.

Drbio · 12-17-2006, 02:24 AM

So true.....so true.....

chumdawg · 12-17-2006, 02:26 AM

Meantime you two offer nothing of substance, and shrink considerably when you are challenged to do so. You absolutely love rhetoric, but you have nothing at all to back it up.

chumdawg · 12-17-2006, 02:28 AM

Oh, shit. I forgot. You do in fact offer something of substance. It's just that it's "Mark Cuban is my God," and it has grown tiresome by now.

Drbio · 12-17-2006, 02:30 AM

Fortunately the entire board sees through chums drivel.

chumdawg · 12-17-2006, 02:35 AM

I've had enough shines, Doc. Only so much a man can get. You are quickly wearing out your use to me.

Drbio · 12-17-2006, 02:36 AM

*yawn*

More chum drivel. The shinebox drivel is almost as funny as the "Gooban" drivel. Which means not funny at all of course.

chumdawg · 12-17-2006, 02:37 AM

Go and get your shinebox.

Drbio · 12-17-2006, 02:37 AM

Go get your head examined drivelmeister.

chumdawg · 12-17-2006, 02:39 AM

Do me a favor and don't speak unless you are spoken to.

And don't make me ask twice.

Drbio · 12-17-2006, 02:40 AM

*yawn*

More chum drivel. The shinebox drivel is almost as funny as the "Gooban" drivel. Which means not funny at all of course.

chumdawg · 12-17-2006, 02:44 AM

It gets worse for you the longer this goes on. You can do yourself a favor and shy away gracefully. Though we all know that grace is not among your natural abilities. But still. I made the offer.

Drbio · 12-17-2006, 02:46 AM

I'm soooo scared chum. You are worthless and your insistence to ruin threads with your schtick got old. To everyone.

Unless.."go get your shinebox", "you must be racist", don't talk to unless I speak to you", drivel drivel drivel, etc is interesting to anyone.

chumdawg · 12-17-2006, 02:49 AM

You are quickly boring me. I had thought that I could be the cat pawing the mouse. But honestly, you are boring the shit out of me. You really don't have anything, do you?

Drbio · 12-17-2006, 02:50 AM

If you are implying that you are a we all agree.

*yawn*

More pathetic chum.

Thespiralgoeson · 12-17-2006, 02:53 AM

Yeah chum... Resigning Dirk, Howard, and Terry... those were real cost cutting moves...