Mavs trade deadline and draft thread

[BPo001]

I understand the black hole that is THJ, but isn?t his contract decreasing every year of his deal? No contender is looking for bench scoring for a playoff run? I?m sure Cuban wouldn?t trade him for a bag of chips, unfortunately. I feel like he has to have some kind of value around the league, but I guess history says otherwise because his name comes up every year at the TDL. Almost makes me think that the FO views him as an asset and we should get the better end of the deal.

[Dallas41]

BR trade needs for Dallas

In short, the Mavs probably don't need to blow anything up ahead of the deadline. Tweaks, assuming they're the right ones, could get this team back on track. It's still less than two years removed from a conference finals appearance.

The tweak Dallas needs is something like the New York Knicks' acquisition of OG Anunoby (though there may not be another player like that available).

Dallas is 20th in points allowed per 100 possessions, and while Lively isn't blameless there, he's a rookie who's still learning the quirks of NBA rim protection. Where the Mavericks could really shore up defensively is on the perimeter.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

BR trade needs for Dallas

In short, the Mavs probably don't need to blow anything up ahead of the deadline. Tweaks, assuming they're the right ones, could get this team back on track. It's still less than two years removed from a conference finals appearance.

The tweak Dallas needs is something like the New York Knicks' acquisition of OG Anunoby (though there may not be another player like that available).

Dallas is 20th in points allowed per 100 possessions, and while Lively isn't blameless there, he's a rookie who's still learning the quirks of NBA rim protection. Where the Mavericks could really shore up defensively is on the perimeter.

Well that crosses out Washington, Kuzma, Jerami, and any other names I've seen.

I'm guessing you could re-visit getting Thybuille for cheap, but is he any good?

I still think rebounding is more important right now because it's more solvable. Perimeter defense is a trickier addition.

[SMC0007]

Perimeter defense is reason #1 on why I brought up Kyrie in a trade. Its why i dont think Kai and Luka work. Its not because I fail to realize that Kai is pretty badass when healthy. You can kinda hide 1 player on defense, kinda. But you cant hide 2. Its pointless to get a defensive minded rotation guy. Luka and kai get all mins and will always be on the floor in crunch time. I also have no interest personally in anymore 1 direction players. We have a team full of those guys and have for a while.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

My biggest issue with Irving and to a lesser extent Exum is these guys haven't even remotely taken the load off of Luka. The entirety of the Irving trade should be giving Luka some rest.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

My biggest issue with Irving and to a lesser extent Exum is these guys haven't even remotely taken the load off of Luka. The entirety of the Irving trade should be giving Luka some rest.

That SHOULD be the idea, but the coach negates the potential benefits with his rotation and lack of play designed or lack of play calling.

Luka should not even be on thr floor for the entire 1st quarter and it doesnt take a rocket surgeon to see it. Idk why he doesnt come out a bit sooner to preserve some fuel for later. We arent good enough of a team to manage his minutes late because it seems like scores are always close. Minimize his minutes early so you at least have the option later.

Moot point regarding Kyrie anyway. We needed a solid ball handler, preferably with size and versatility. Instead, We got one of thr best handles in NBA history but it came is a small package. I would have rather have had a taller 2 way SG with less offensive skill than Kyrie.

[Scoobay]

i know he's got a huge contract but would Ben simmons work here?
We need all the Aussies but aside from that could he be a small ball big for us? he does a lot of other things we need including defense, rebounding, and handles

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Scoobay

i know he's got a huge contract but would Ben simmons work here?
We need all the Aussies but aside from that could he be a small ball big for us? he does a lot of other things we need including defense, rebounding, and handles

Hellll yes he would work. Hes versatile and highly switchable on defense. He has back issues though and hasnt played a full season in a while. I doubt teams have a lot of interest in him. In theory, if he were healthy, it would be a killer fit here.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Hellll yes he would work. Hes versatile and highly switchable on defense. He has back issues though and hasnt played a full season in a while. I doubt teams have a lot of interest in him. In theory, if he were healthy, it would be a killer fit here.

Hes played 8 games this year lol. he will never be healthy again

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Hes played 8 games this year lol. he will never be healthy again

It's like you predicted the future! He is out again.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Hes played 8 games this year lol. he will never be healthy again

*7 games and on pace to play 13 games in 23-24
Last year he missed 40 games
Year before was all 82

And he's earning 38 this year and 40mill next year.

Healthy, he's absolutely perfect. He'd have to play C here with his lack of scoring, but he's an elite defender, a great rebounder, and could be the missing piece with our ball movement as a point-center/point-forward. But yeah, he's massively overpaid and almost guaranteed to miss more time than even Kyrie.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Hes played 8 games this year lol. he will never be healthy again

So he would be a perfect fit. Right next to Kyrie on the bench (and everyone else).

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by Scoobay

i know he's got a huge contract but would Ben simmons work here?
We need all the Aussies but aside from that could he be a small ball big for us? he does a lot of other things we need including defense, rebounding, and handles

This won't be a popular opinion but I think Simmons at PF would be a similar type of pickup and fit here that Denver got with Arron Gordon.

I personally don't care about his lack of 3 point shooting because I'm sick of this team jacking up 3's anyway and bricking them.

What he does add is elite defense and ball handling to your front court.

I think him and Lively together makes Dallas immediately a better rebounding team over night. In fact with Luka and Kyrie here Simmons would actually be that 3rd ball handler they've been missing since Dinwiddie got shipped out.

If they ended up with both Simmons and DFS they would have the size up front to finally matchup with bigger teams like Minnesota, Denver and LA Clippers.

Those 3 teams always bully Dallas because the mavs are too small to matchup.

I'd love to roll into the playoffs with Lively, Simmons, DFS, Kyrie and Luka

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

This won't be a popular opinion but I think Simmons at PF would be a similar type of pickup and fit here that Denver got with Arron Gordon.

I personally don't care about his lack of 3 point shooting because I'm sick of this team jacking up 3's anyway and bricking them.

What he does add is elite defense and ball handling to your front court.

I think him and Lively together makes Dallas immediately a better rebounding team over night. In fact with Luka and Kyrie here Simmons would actually be that 3rd ball handler they've been missing since Dinwiddie got shipped out.

If they ended up with both Simmons and DFS they would have the size up front to finally matchup with bigger teams like Minnesota, Denver and LA Clippers.

Those 3 teams always bully Dallas because the mavs are too small to matchup.

I'd love to roll into the playoffs with Lively, Simmons, DFS, Kyrie and Luka

You wouldn't get that lineup in the playoffs because
1) Kai cant stay healthy
2) Ben Simmons definitely cant stay healthy
3) We wouldnt make the playoffs.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

You wouldn't get that lineup in the playoffs because
1) Kai cant stay healthy
2) Ben Simmons definitely cant stay healthy
3) We wouldnt make the playoffs.

This is silly.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by saclare

This is silly.

No one has ever gone broke betting against Simmons

But you?re probably right that missing the play in would be a stretch. 3.5 games ahead of the Rockets for 11th and the Rockets have been horse shit. We had a losing record in January and the Rockets were even worse. We could go 8-28 the rest of the season and still not catch them.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by saclare

This is silly.

Pfft. How is this silly?

[saclare]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Pfft. How is this silly?

You're being silly and you know it, silly.

Two hypo's which are decently supported, but even without those two, this is a play-in team. I'm just messing around, really. More twiddling my thumbs waiting for some kind of move.

Iztok seems to imply the Mavs might dabble in the 2nd tier of trading and leave a path forward to unlock 3 FRPs to manage the roster. That would mean no trading of the 1 we have now and utilize players and second rounders.

Mentions Tari Eason, Deni Advija, and Andrew Wiggins as potential targets in that line of thinking.

I would understand it, but it would be frustrating to watch another year of Luka down the drain. I mean, I could see the health all aligning with a huuuuge IF attached.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

You wouldn't get that lineup in the playoffs because
1) Kai cant stay healthy
2) Ben Simmons definitely cant stay healthy
3) We wouldnt make the playoffs.

I get the injury concerns but I don't think kyrie would sit potential playoff games with minor injuries he has now.

I think the mavs are just content to let him be 100%

Also I believe simmons would perform outstanding here as that 3rd ball handler and switchable defensive big.

Bradley Beal stayed injured a lot to but sometimes you have to roll that dice.

I just love the combination of Lively, Simmons and DFS up front together. Chances are it'll never happen by trade but if it did I think the mavs would become a better team overall with that type of size added

[SMC0007]

From post game comments, it sounds like someone got into the teams ass at halftime. It might have been J Kidd but go figure, they turn up the heat on defense and the effort was night and day in 2nd half.

[rimrocker]

Ben would be great but too much risk imo.
We already have a former Net who is out more than in.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Maybe some wiggle room to get Kuzma.

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/s...29102472134909

And we have a good trading relationship with the Wizards.

My thing is that once we convey our pick this summer, then we'll have three first round picks to trade. Might be better to wait.

[SMC0007]

Kuzma is nice, and if its the best deal we can do, they have to highly consider it. We dont have time to fvck around before Lukas contract talks fire up. Time flies by when youre getting your sht pushed in trying to build around a superstar.

[EricaLubarsky]

One week

Grizz just traded Adams to Rockets for three SRPs

[Melonhead]

Rumors are ramping up on twitter. Crazy one floating about lebron nothing legit tied to it or any teams.

Also Kyrie was answering questions on his discord. Used the Nic Cage meme flowing hair to describe being with the Mavs

I?m starting to wonder about Kuzma. Provides scoring and size. Especially when Kyrie is out.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Rumors are ramping up on twitter. Crazy one floating about lebron nothing legit tied to it or any teams.

Also Kyrie was answering questions on his discord. Used the Nic Cage meme flowing hair to describe being with the Mavs

I?m starting to wonder about Kuzma. Provides scoring and size. Especially when Kyrie is out.

Yeah, saw both of the Kuzma and Lebron rumors which means we're getting DFS.

[SMC0007]

I will bust a fn spring if we end up with DFS. Lol.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

I will bust a fn spring if we end up with DFS. Lol.

It would be SUCH a Mavs move. He is a fan darling too.

He is also ruled out the next two games. Mwahahaha.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

I will bust a fn spring if we end up with DFS. Lol.

Hey SMCCCC...

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/s...07454804005269

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Hey SMCCCC...

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/s...07454804005269

Man I hope they pull the trigger and get either Ben or Royce along with him.

[Melonhead]

Boy I cant wait to get DFS back and continue to be the definition of mid.

DFS is 2nd in the league in guys that avg over 25 min but have less than 10/5/3. His defense has taken a downward trajectory, its really just vibes and luka's friend.

Also on that list is Josh Green at 3rd, and Grant Williams at 5th.

We have too many heavy minutes guys that do not produce. (I know its kind of an arbitrary list with the 3 assists tacked on, but i think the truth is somewhere in there)

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Hey SMCCCC...

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/s...07454804005269

Lolol. Oh fvck me. The comment section is solid though.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Saw that online chat about the Mavs wanting Miles Bridges over PJ Washington.

Miles is averaging 23/8/3.5 on 49/41 shooting for the month of January.

He would certainly add to their anti-women org.

[EricaLubarsky]

6 days

Hopefully three more games with this squad:

Bucks
76ers without Embiid
Nets

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

6 days

Hopefully three more games with this squad:

Bucks
76ers without Embiid
Nets

Paul Reed will feast on our defense

Bucks and Doc with a lot of pressure after starting 0-2. What better way to get back into a groove than to play the mavs.

2-1 would be great, but 1-2 is likely imo

[saclare]

I'm still on the Kuzma/Gafford train...though I do understand the 3rd ballhandler. But getting those two and hoping on Kyrie/Exum health would be a formidable roster and really have a chance.

Rebounding. All I want is rebounding. Anything else is gravy.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by saclare

I'm still on the Kuzma/Gafford train...though I do understand the 3rd ballhandler. But getting those two and hoping on Kyrie/Exum health would be a formidable roster and really have a chance.

Rebounding. All I want is rebounding. Anything else is gravy.

This would be a home run. Just need to keep Lively (and i hope omax)

[EricaLubarsky]

NBACentral is the single worst source on social media. Literally the worst.

[BPo001]

I saw a report Mavs are willing to offer ?multiple draft assets? for DFS. You fucking serious? Going to blow what little assets they have on him.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by BPo001

I saw a report Mavs are willing to offer ?multiple draft assets? for DFS. You fucking serious? Going to blow what little assets they have on him.

DFS for Cuban straight up.