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sike · 05-14-2009, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dalmations202

Kidd, TMac, Wright, Dirk, (Legit offensive and defensive Center), with Terry as the 6th man is stout for sure, although I'd prefer to have a better defensive swingman than TMac since Dirk isn't exactly the defensive stalwart.

What is the price though?

exactly...I have no clue...and wouldn't really want to risk much on joints of TMac.

BGMaverick9 · 05-14-2009, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by tybrock

Mid-level exception

A team is allowed to sign one player to a contract equal to the average NBA salary, even if the team is over the salary cap already, or if the signing would put them over the cap. This is known as the Mid-level exception (MLE). The MLE may be used on an individual free agent or split among multiple free agents, and is available to any team that exceeds the salary cap at the beginning of the offseason. The Mid-Level Exception for the 2007-08 NBA season was $5.36 million. The MLE is $5.585 million for the 2008-09 NBA regular season.

An example would be the Toronto Raptors' acquisition of Jason Kapono during the 2007 off-season.

Yup,
I don't think the # has been set for this year but it's going to be in that range for the coming year...it might go down though based on the economy. I think it depreciates as the year goes on, but you can still use it to sign guys who get cut or something as an example. Don't quote me though on that depreciation, that's just a guess.

Underdog · 05-14-2009, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by tybrock

A) C.Kaman (Trade Josh straight up)
B) J.Richardson (Trade Stack and filler/s)
C) Only the draft will tell
D) S.Marion (Sign with MLE)

I'm not sure if we can get all that done, but I like the type of players you're thinking about:

Kidd/Barea
Richardson/Terry
Marion/Singleton
Dirk/Bass
Kaman/Hollins

That's a strong lineup - lots of weapons for Kidd to use, lots of players that compliment Dirk's unique style...

DirkFTW · 05-14-2009, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sike

exactly...I have no clue...and wouldn't really want to risk much on joints of TMac.

Howard's joints >>> TMac's joints

'cause Howard knows where to go for the good stuff.

Nowitzki4President · 05-14-2009, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tybrock

Mid-level exception

A team is allowed to sign one player to a contract equal to the average NBA salary, even if the team is over the salary cap already, or if the signing would put them over the cap. This is known as the Mid-level exception (MLE). The MLE may be used on an individual free agent or split among multiple free agents, and is available to any team that exceeds the salary cap at the beginning of the offseason. The Mid-Level Exception for the 2007-08 NBA season was $5.36 million. The MLE is $5.585 million for the 2008-09 NBA regular season.

An example would be the Toronto Raptors' acquisition of Jason Kapono during the 2007 off-season.

Alright, Thanks man.

BGMaverick9 · 05-14-2009, 04:25 PM

Just a quick glance at A hawks board and Dallas and Smith were mentioned, but I think we're barking up the wrong tree. Howard/Bass isn't good enough in their opinion for him. They need something in the Amare caliber for Smith...maybe not him specifically, but something along those lines.

tybrock · 05-14-2009, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

I'm not sure if we can get all that done, but I like the type of players you're thinking about:

Kidd/Barea
Richardson/Terry
Marion/Singleton
Dirk/Bass
Kaman/Hollins

That's a strong lineup - lots of weapons for Kidd to use, lots of players that compliment Dirk's unique style...

I brought it up, and I'm still blown away by that lineup. We should write Cubes a letter or something!

BGMaverick9 · 05-14-2009, 04:30 PM

I still think if we're looking at the ATL...Joe Johnson is a guy to look at, the problem is the $, he's going to want a big extension. Again, I ask the question...is Joe a guy you want to give all that money to?

He is the man in Atlanta and he's their best player, he needs talent around him. Dirk is the man in Dallas and their...you get the idea.

Josh and _____ would probably need to be in the equation.

SMC0007 · 05-14-2009, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DirkFTW

Howard's joints >>> TMac's joints

'cause Howard knows where to go for the good stuff.

dbl post

SMC0007 · 05-14-2009, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DirkFTW

Howard's joints >>> TMac's joints

'cause Howard knows where to go for the good stuff.

sike · 05-14-2009, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

They need something in the Amare caliber for Smith...maybe not him specifically, but something along those lines.

Then I'd say Atlanta is barking up the wrong tree.

tybrock · 05-14-2009, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Just a quick glance at A hawks board and Dallas and Smith were mentioned, but I think we're barking up the wrong tree. Howard/Bass isn't good enough in their opinion for him. They need something in the Amare caliber for Smith...maybe not him specifically, but something along those lines.

With what we need to accomplish this offseason. There is no way we could do that. I'm a fan of Smith playing along side Kidd, but it just isn't worth it.

Thomas86 · 05-14-2009, 04:33 PM

Whatever the Mavs do they need to put a SuperStar next to Dirk like a Shaq or Vince Carter, the NBA is a SuperStar leauge and Dirk doesn't get treated like it...so the only way the Mavs are gonna get any respect/NBA title is if they bring a Star in Dallas to play with Dirk.

sike · 05-14-2009, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

I still think if we're looking at the ATL...Joe Johnson is a guy to look at, the problem is the $, he's going to want a big extension. Again, I ask the question...is Joe a guy you want to give all that money to?

He is the man in Atlanta and he's their best player, he needs talent around him. Dirk is the man in Dallas and their...you get the idea.

Josh and _____ would probably need to be in the equation.

I LOVE Joe Johnson...plus it would gives us two JJs!!!!

sike · 05-14-2009, 04:35 PM

Speaking of Joe Johnson...he has been in the league for 7 years...I would have guessed 5-6.

He'll be 28 this year.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/joe_jo....html?nav=page

tybrock · 05-14-2009, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomas86

Whatever the Mavs do they need to put a SuperStar next to Dirk like a Shaq or Vince Carter, the NBA is a SuperStar leauge and Dirk doesn't get treated like it...so the only way the Mavs are gonna get any respect/NBA title is if they bring a Star in Dallas to play with Dirk.

I would like to see the Mavs go after a hungry Super Star who doesn't have a ring. Such as the K.G. and Ray Allen for Boston. We need someone who is coming to get his ring!

BGMaverick9 · 05-14-2009, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by sike

Then I'd say Atlanta is barking up the wrong tree.

Well, we're just as much at fault for barking up the wrong tree. We are a lot more likely to pass and move on to another idea than them giving in and saying "ok, you've got it."

They're putting a pretty big knock on Johnson.
-Folds when it gets tough
-Can't lead a young team
-Got a lot of "tread on the tires" for being his age
etc. etc.

That's harsh to say coming from your own fans, for the #1 guy.

SMC0007 · 05-14-2009, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by sike

ok....I agree with this...but WHO are we talking about then? No one even close to VC who is youngish and potentially available jumps to mind.

ideas? names? tummy rubs?

Well unfortunately that is kinda what we would be looking at imo, Vince, Tmac some players that aren't as explosive game to game as they used to be but can still draw a help other shooters or create late game offense even if it isn't night to night. Then you move down a level to the G WAllace type players that are maybe not quite as potent offensively but can actually guard someone. I haven't looked into who would actually be avail in trade or who we couldn't get no matter what we dangled out there as trade bait.

I just don't like Artests name being thrown around. That dood is cancer worse than Josh. Especially with what we have gone thru with Josh. I'm not a fan of RJefferson either.

SMC0007 · 05-14-2009, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Well, we're just as much at fault for barking up the wrong tree. We are a lot more likely to pass and move on to another idea than them giving in and saying "ok, you've got it."

They're putting a pretty big knock on Johnson.
-Folds when it gets tough
-Can't lead a young team
-Got a lot of "tread on the tires" for being his age
etc. etc.

That's harsh to say coming from your own fans, for the #1 guy.

Yeah, he obviously has some ability but is he the guy to help Dirk that much? I have those same questions as mentioned above.

sike · 05-14-2009, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Well, we're just as much at fault for barking up the wrong tree. We are a lot more likely to pass and move on to another idea than them giving in and saying "ok, you've got it."

They're putting a pretty big knock on Johnson.
-Folds when it gets tough
-Can't lead a young team
-Got a lot of "tread on the tires" for being his age
etc. etc.

That's harsh to say coming from your own fans, for the #1 guy.

especially when you're point guard is so bad that you sit him for large portions of the most imortant game of the year.

Let JJ play with JKidd....and watch what happens.

Let Dirk play with JJ and JKidd and see what happens...

You wanna know what happens? WELL......DO YA????!!!!!!

That's the rest of the league....taking our best shot!

tybrock · 05-14-2009, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

I just don't like Artests name being thrown around. That dood is cancer worse than Josh. Especially with what we have gone thru with Josh. I'm not a fan of RJefferson either.

I'm with this for the most part. I wouldn't mind RJ though. Mainly because we know he can play with Kidd, and he is coming off a good year with the Bucks.

sike · 05-14-2009, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by tybrock

I'm with this for the most part. I wouldn't mind RJ though. Mainly because we know he can play with Kidd, and he is coming off a good year with the Bucks.

RJ doesn't win you big games though...right? He is just a nice addition to a good team.

We need more than a nice addition.

tybrock · 05-14-2009, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sike

RJ doesn't win you big games though...right? He is just a nice addition to a good team.

We need more than a nice addition.

Oh God Yes! I'm just a fan of RJ, but he is certainly not enough to take this team over the edge. Unless we are getting Redd in some major deal I wouldn't even consider it.

sike · 05-14-2009, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by tybrock

Oh God Yes! I'm just a fan of RJ, but he is certainly not enough to take this team over the edge. Unless we are getting Redd in some major deal I wouldn't even consider it.

gotcha. keep up the posting...and welcome.

tybrock · 05-14-2009, 05:01 PM

On the subject of Michael Redd. He's one of those guys I think just needs to get with a better team. He is a lights out shooter, and surprisingly enough gets to the line frequently. He fits the hungry Super Star looking for his ring. I see him only getting better playing with Kidd and Dirk. Only thing is how will he rebound after his injury??? The Bucks have already expressed interest to move him or Jefferson.

mac222b · 05-14-2009, 05:02 PM

Well RJ does get to the line(3rd most among SF) and hits 80% on his ft's. If bringing in RJ is one of 3 moves(along w/a center&combo guard)i'm all for it. 679 fta's in 07-08. 518 this past season.

sike · 05-14-2009, 05:06 PM

give me Redd over RJ. I just think Redd helps win more games.

But either one of them alone couldn't be the end of the off season moves.

BGMaverick9 · 05-14-2009, 05:06 PM

This is what I've seen from a MIL perspective on deals:
- RJ and Ridnour for Stack and Josh

- Ridnour and Joe Alexander for Stack

The homerun of sorts:
09 Pick, 2011 first, Stack, Howard, Carroll and Williams for
Bogut, RJ, Charlie Bell and Malik Allen.

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Kaman for Josh WOULD have some legs I think. They'll look for a wing player in return for either Kaman or Camby.

Don't shoot the messenger.

sike · 05-14-2009, 05:08 PM

BG, they are looking to keep Redd, then? or is he an option?

tybrock · 05-14-2009, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

The homerun of sorts:
09 Pick, 2011 first, Stack, Howard, Carroll and Williams for
Bogut, RJ, Charlie Bell and Malik Allen.

Their idea of a homerun is a bit expensive for us. That deal isn't worth the two 1st round picks.

Don't worry BG, the shot is aimed at them.

Kidd Karma · 05-14-2009, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

I'm not sure if we can get all that done, but I like the type of players you're thinking about:

Kidd/Barea
Richardson/Terry
Marion/Singleton
Dirk/Bass
Kaman/Hollins

That's a strong lineup - lots of weapons for Kidd to use, lots of players that compliment Dirk's unique style...

Much rather see RIP than JRich at the 2 guard.

BGMaverick9 · 05-14-2009, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sike

BG, they are looking to keep Redd, then? or is he an option?

You've been gone for most of the season and you come back aggressive on day 1????

From what I read, I'm guessing by choice or default, he's still a part of their plans. Maybe they want to retool around him or they figure they won't find a buyer at all based on the injury. I'm guessing it's more of option A

BGMaverick9 · 05-14-2009, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by tybrock

Their idea of a homerun is a bit expensive for us. That deal isn't worth the two 1st round picks.

Don't worry BG, the shot is aimed at them.

I "love" the fact that out of most of the players we've shipped away one of the few who would come back via trade? Malik Allen. Who is next, Ager-bomb?

Bogut would be tasty though.

alby · 05-14-2009, 05:19 PM

I actually feel a lot better about this offseason than any other offseason in the past post-Nash.

tybrock · 05-14-2009, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

Much rather see RIP than JRich at the 2 guard.

I like RIP as well. However, his age, as well as the price and length of his contract worry me. I'm sure he is available though.

sike · 05-14-2009, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by alby

I actually feel a lot better about this offseason than any other offseason in the past post-Nash.

for no other reason than I think Cuban has seen the light with this current roster...so am I, alby.

alby · 05-14-2009, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

I still don't quite get how Bosh and Dirk would work on the court at the same time...

Not that I'm against Bosh, I just don't get which position each one would play on offense/defense - they seem kinda redundant in some areas (and I don't want either of them playing the 5 in most situations - would Bosh play at the 3?)

Bosh has played defense as the 5 the last three years. Unless you think Andrea Bargs was the defensive center of that team.

BGMaverick9 · 05-14-2009, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by alby

I actually feel a lot better about this offseason than any other offseason in the past post-Nash.

Like DLord mentioned a few months back. This has the feel of the team that has made the realization and finally made big moves to revamp the roster:

http://www.dallasbasketball.com/full...mn.php?id=1436

Good read, check it out if you haven't yet or if you forgot.

tybrock · 05-14-2009, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

I "love" the fact that out of most of the players we've shipped away one of the few who would come back via trade? Malik Allen. Who is next, Ager-bomb?

Bogut would be tasty though.

I like Bogut as well, but I think you've got something with the Josh for Kaman deal.

monty55555 · 05-14-2009, 05:25 PM

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Free agent future Hall of Fame PG Jason Kidd, wearing a pastel blue T-shirt, matching plaid shorts and flip-flops, told the assembled media at the AAC what's next for him.

"I know I want to go on vacation," Kidd said. "That's about all I know right now. I don't know what beach, but I just want to relax and enjoy my time off and let my agent do his job and see what happens."

As far as free agency goes, Kidd did drop a few hints. Based on that and the fact that the Mavs can pay Kidd more than anybody else -- and have made it clear they really want him to return -- the odds are he'll be back in Dallas.

The other options that might make sense for Kidd would be to sign with the Lakers, Cavaliers or a team at that level in an attempt to win a ring before he retires. However, it doesn't sound like Cleveland would be attractive to him, considering the fact that Cavs PG Mo Williams made the All-Star team this season.

"I'm not looking at it as trying to win a championship, hitching on a bandwagon and jumping on with a team that's a favorite," Kidd said. "I'm looking to help a team try to win a championship. Whether it's here in Dallas or wherever it may be, I still feel that I have a lot to give to the game."

Kidd, who has no intention to sign a one-year deal, sees himself as a guy who can play at a high level for a few more seasons while teaching his evenutal replacement the NBA ropes. He'd be a heck of a mentor to a rookie like Ty Lawson, Eric Maynor or Jonny Flynn that the Mavs might draft this summer.

As far as the past, Kidd is much prouder of the season that just ended than the previous one.

"It's something for us to build on," Kidd said, "and hopefully come back and get off to a better start next year."

http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/archi...his-plans.html