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SMC0007 · 02-06-2012, 09:29 PM

Thanks, yeah I found the same one after asking. Sweet and1 by Lin. He is sparking the team to play a lil more inspired ball.

xrobx · 02-06-2012, 09:34 PM

he is basically the nba's version of tim tebow

rabbitproof · 02-06-2012, 09:38 PM

lol, MVP chants...

SMC0007 · 02-06-2012, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by xrobx

he is basically the nba's version of tim tebow

Haha. Well he definitely seems to be the MSG versions of it

They are loving him. Back to back 20pt games. Idc too much about the scoring from my PG but if it's from taking what they give you I'm all for it, and he's doing that. He's aggressive player and a very smart guy so I think he should be able to make the best of his opportunity.

rabbitproof · 02-06-2012, 09:44 PM

Wow, he finishes really well. Third and-1 of the night.

Andddddddddddddd fantasy add

CadBane · 02-06-2012, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by xrobx

also, Steve Novak leading the team in scoring with 16 points.... what?

Do you know who Reggie Williams is?

CadBane · 02-06-2012, 09:57 PM

Despite scoring a lot in the 2nd half (including some ridiculous touch and 1s, and a fluke 3), I think Lin was actually really exposed. He can't go left, and the dude had EIGHT TURNOVERS in the 2nd half. 8 turnovers in one half.

Look, he's a nice novelty, but lets hold off on the proclamations after 2 home games against teams with no defensive interior presence.

I'd like to see how he fares on the road and against some decent interior defensive teams.

That said, I think the dude can definitely be a rotation player. But starter? No.

j0Shi · 02-06-2012, 10:01 PM

Overreacting on two good games is roddiculous. Just saying...

Will get interesting when defenses adjust and stuff.

rabbitproof · 02-06-2012, 10:06 PM

Think exhaustion led to some of those 2nd half turnovers though he can be a bit reckless on his drives (ala Barea). Played some ironman minutes tonight (no rest after 1st quarter).

Will look to see how things change when Melo/STAT are on the floor and as defenses adjusts. Incredible first two games though.

CadBane · 02-06-2012, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rabbitproof

Think exhaustion led to some of those 2nd half turnovers though he can be a bit reckless on his drives (ala Barea). Played some ironman minutes tonight (no rest after 1st quarter).

Will look to see how things change when Melo/STAT are on the floor and as defenses adjusts. Incredible first two games though.

4 of them came in the first 6 minutes of the 3rd quarter...

He also only had 1 assist in the 2nd half.

I agree, he should have received some rest. Dantoni is awful with minute management.

rabbitproof · 02-06-2012, 10:15 PM

Not saying he wouldn't have had any TOs but it's fair to say a few were to due playing non-stop minutes. You are right about MDA burning his guards to the ground.

When Melo/Amare come back, Lin may find some bench minutes, especially when Melo is doing his iso thing. Lin's scoring will go down with their return but ought to get some good assists running PnRs with Amare/Tyson (who was in foul trouble tonight).

I don't know if he's a starter/rotation guy yet. He is only 23.

It will be interesting to compare DoJo and Roddy to this kid now.

SMC0007 · 02-06-2012, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

Despite scoring a lot in the 2nd half (including some ridiculous touch and 1s, and a fluke 3), I think Lin was actually really exposed. He can't go left, and the dude had EIGHT TURNOVERS in the 2nd half. 8 turnovers in one half.

Look, he's a nice novelty, but lets hold off on the proclamations after 2 home games against teams with no defensive interior presence.

I'd like to see how he fares on the road and against some decent interior defensive teams.

That said, I think the dude can definitely be a rotation player. But starter? No.

Welp, easy fix! Only play him in home games.

tcat075 · 02-06-2012, 11:19 PM

I think we can all agree he's playing over his head.

But while he may not be blinding quick, he's got a great first step and finishes very well around the basket. He seems to have a ton of chemistry with Chandler on the PnR, and overall a pretty solid feel for the court to find the open man. Give him some consistent playing time, and that will certainly improve and help cut down on his turnovers. He's not going to be a star, but with some development he can be a solid starter for a team somewhere.

deamon · 02-07-2012, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

EIGHT TURNOVERS

He was tired, show me PG in his age who won't have so many turnovers in 45min of regular time.
Deron Williams has 4.4 per game and is league leader in turnovers.
As for quick, Deron isn't quicker.

Underdog · 02-07-2012, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by deamon

He was tired, show me PG in his age who won't have so many turnovers in 45min of regular time.
Deron Williams has 4.4 per game and is league leader in turnovers.
As for quick, Deron isn't quicker.

Um, why are you comparing Jeremy Lin to Deron Williams?

What does the one have to do with the other?

Lin isn't even in the same stratosphere as Williams...

SMC0007 · 02-07-2012, 12:01 PM

Well is he in the Troposphere at least?

Underdog · 02-07-2012, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Well is he in the Troposphere at least?

No. Jeremy Lin does not reside in any of the Earth's spheres.

It's science...

SMC0007 · 02-07-2012, 12:34 PM

Actually he does, the Lithosphere.

Underdog · 02-07-2012, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Actually he does, the Lithosphere.

The 'Linthosphere' would've been more clever...

Kidd Karma · 02-07-2012, 03:55 PM

Lin is using his hoops IQ to make up for his athletic ability. Similar to how Kidd is doing it in his latter years. But once there's a scouting report on you, you need to counter that, for him, he can't go left. It's like when we had Barea, the scouting reports went out, his production was reduced, he became a negative, until he countered those reports, now with 2 weapons at his disposale he was a consistent force for us at attckig the cup. Lin will be fine, his IQ will help him get over the bumps. At best he is a backup point guard in this league, with this outburst, he'll carve a nice backup career. As a creating PG, Melo might not be the best match for him, now if you tell Melo it'll help him end games, like Kidd with Dirk, who knows, it may change Melo into a catch and finish player, leave the creating to someone else.

SMC0007 · 02-07-2012, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

The 'Linthosphere' would've been more clever...

DAMNIT!!

Good juan

twelli · 02-08-2012, 02:12 AM

Lin is big news here in Taiwan. The second sports star with Taiwanese background (his parents are from Taiwan, but he was born in the US) who gets cheered for in the Big Apple after Wang Chien-ming, who had two pretty impressive seasons as starter for the Yankees. I doubt, however, he will be more than a spark pluck like Barea in the future. He's just not strong or tall enough to be a first choice PG, also his defense is spotty and he's not that good from beyond the arc either. I think Roddy has way more potential, and it's just a matter of time, till he gets his act together.

iella · 02-08-2012, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by twelli

He's just not strong or tall enough to be a first choice PG, also his defense is spotty and he's not that good from beyond the arc either. I think Roddy has way more potential, and it's just a matter of time, till he gets his act together.

He's 6'3". How is that not tall enough to be a first choice PG? I also find the strength statement questionable. He's had some finishes in traffic that required a fair amount of strength, and keep in mind that he's only a sophomore. He probably didn't have the kind of resources at Harvard that you would have at the big name DI schools, so working with NBA coaches is going to accelerate his development for awhile.

I do agree that Roddy has more potential (quicker and more athletic) and that Lin's shooting is suspect. Haven't watched enough to comment on defense.

Kidd Karma · 02-08-2012, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by iella

He's 6'3". How is that not tall enough to be a first choice PG? I also find the strength statement questionable. He's had some finishes in traffic that required a fair amount of strength, and keep in mind that he's only a sophomore. He probably didn't have the kind of resources at Harvard that you would have at the big name DI schools, so working with NBA coaches is going to accelerate his development for awhile.

I do agree that Roddy has more potential (quicker and more athletic) and that Lin's shooting is suspect. Haven't watched enough to comment on defense.

What I think closes the gap between a talent like Wall and Lin, is Lin's hoops IQ. Wall doesn't have quite the experience Lin has in terms of team ball. What is going to separate them eventually is the experiences and knowledge Wall picks up working on his game daily. Right now there isn't a book on Lin yet, it's the 2nd go around that will be key, can he make adjustments. I can see him carving out a Barea type career at best.

dude1394 · 02-08-2012, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by iella

He's 6'3". How is that not tall enough to be a first choice PG? I also find the strength statement questionable. He's had some finishes in traffic that required a fair amount of strength, and keep in mind that he's only a sophomore. He probably didn't have the kind of resources at Harvard that you would have at the big name DI schools, so working with NBA coaches is going to accelerate his development for awhile.

I do agree that Roddy has more potential (quicker and more athletic) and that Lin's shooting is suspect. Haven't watched enough to comment on defense.

Weird..for a second I thought you were arguing with yourself and not twelli.

Dale4Saul2Red0 · 02-08-2012, 04:04 PM

oilfieldtrash · 02-08-2012, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

Lin is using his hoops IQ to make up for his athletic ability. Similar to how Kidd is doing it in his latter years. But once there's a scouting report on you, you need to counter that, for him, he can't go left. It's like when we had Barea, the scouting reports went out, his production was reduced, he became a negative, until he countered those reports, now with 2 weapons at his disposale he was a consistent force for us at attckig the cup. Lin will be fine, his IQ will help him get over the bumps. At best he is a backup point guard in this league, with this outburst, he'll carve a nice backup career. As a creating PG, Melo might not be the best match for him, now if you tell Melo it'll help him end games, like Kidd with Dirk, who knows, it may change Melo into a catch and finish player, leave the creating to someone else.

I saw a couple times he went left and he was smooth and even finished well with the left so I'll have to disagree there. Only time will tell what he can do in the nba. I will say I saw a lot of positives. Good vision, quick hands, strong aggressive finishes. Seeing some of the starting guards in the league I could definitely see him holding down a starting spot eventually.

CadBane · 02-08-2012, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by oilfieldtrash

I saw a couple times he went left and he was smooth and even finished well with the left so I'll have to disagree there. Only time will tell what he can do in the nba. I will say I saw a lot of positives. Good vision, quick hands, strong aggressive finishes. Seeing some of the starting guards in the league I could definitely see him holding down a starting spot eventually.

No, he definitely struggles going left. That was a big part of his 8 second-half turnovers. He finished with his left hand, but he struggles to drive left.

His problems certainly aren't height/strength. He's just not that quick or explosive. Right now he's getting by with some deception and guys overplaying him at times. He has a very poor jumpshot, so guys are going to start laying off of him more. His vision is nothing to write home about. He had a few nice alleys, but botched a few more and missed Tyson several times. About 4 or 5 of his assists came simply from Steve Novak being en fuego last game.

Like I said, I can see him as a backup PG at best. Nothing wrong with that.

iella · 02-08-2012, 07:00 PM

"As athletes... every time we get complacent, that's when trouble comes."

http://www.nba.com/knicks/video/2012...995/index.html

Nice to hear that Lin's not drinking his own kool-aid.

rabbitproof · 02-08-2012, 07:45 PM

Think people are selling him somewhat short on his jumpshot (it's summer league but he was 40% from the 3 in summer league) and first step (straight up beating Devin off the dribble). Shot can get better but he's not like a DoJo. His top-end speed is below average but his stop to second gear is pretty good.

Add decent size, court vision and shiftiness and you have a player. Again, his competition is Roddy/JJB/DoJo. He's in that mix with his ceiling still TBD.

Foul trouble tonight but still balling.... Novak is getting dope looks with Lin.

iella · 02-08-2012, 07:55 PM

http://www.firstrowsports.eu/watch/1...rk-knicks.html

In case anyone cares.

rabbitproof · 02-08-2012, 07:58 PM

JJB drives with Calderon dimes.

Highest +/-, too.

See if he keeps the TOs at zero (he did it in the first half last game, too, before getting tired and sloppy).

iella · 02-08-2012, 07:59 PM

Point guard doing what point guard do.

rabbitproof · 02-08-2012, 08:10 PM

Set up Chandler several times but Tyson couldn't convert and left a few assists for Lin on the table (lots of free throws for TC though).

Dude is a real point guard.

MODS:
Does this still belong in the Mavs forum?

b_o_r · 02-08-2012, 08:19 PM

Where is a Steve Novak thread. He actually suited up for the Mavericks.

Rick41 · 02-08-2012, 08:31 PM

Wait wat? Lin is producing and Novak is scoring?

j0Shi · 02-08-2012, 08:34 PM

Mavs FO is so terrible. Couldn't keep Lin and Novak and Chandler. Now look what they're doing in New York...

All three would be definitely starting for the Mavs right now...

twelli · 02-08-2012, 08:49 PM

Lin for the dunk!!! I love him. He's so much fun to watch.

b_o_r · 02-08-2012, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

Mavs FO is so terrible. Couldn't keep Lin and Novak and Chandler. Now look what they're doing in New York...

All three would be definitely starting for the Mavs right now...

I want D'Antoni offensive system. Everyone's an All-Star.

b_o_r · 02-08-2012, 08:54 PM

3 consecutive 20pts games for Lin. 12 in the 3rd. Became a layup drill in the 3rd once McGee picked up his 4th.