Official Draft Day Thread

[sike]

any more info on this guy???

[dirno2000]

Henry is a bad seed. got disqualified from a game, suspended multiple times, just totally immature...no one wants him. Parcells surely wouldn't

Well he's now a Bengal go Chad Johnson can mentor him...teach the kid some maturity...

[dirno2000]

Originally posted by: sike
any more info on this guy???

Bio: Three-year starter and All-Conference selection who posted 120/6/1 as a senior. Team captain the past two years.

Positives: Explosive defender who forces the action. Fast moving laterally, quick closing on the play and makes his presence felt. Gets depth on pass drops displaying outstanding range and collapses well from the outside defending the run. Breaks down well, plays with balance and rarely off his feet. Disciplined, does not bite the play action and takes good angles to ball carriers. Occasionally placed over the slot receiver and does an admirable job. Defeats blocks and gets through the trash making the tackle.

Negatives: Previous injuries include reconstructive surgery on his left knee in October of 2002. Does not always remain focused and mentally hesitant.

Analysis: A tenacious, sideline-to-sideline defender, Burnett is a naturally gifted athlete with improved instincts. Lacks the great size, yet has shown consistent improvement in all areas of his game and could be the next productive NFL linebacker to come from the Tennessee program.

[chumdawg]

I believe I heard this kid was a two-time Academic All-American?

[#1MavsFan]

The defense has gotten better but it could have been even better had we taken DJ at 11. We still need a couple more playmakers on offense.

[sike]

Originally posted by: #1MavsFan
The defense has gotten better but it could have been even better had we taken DJ at 11. We still need a couple more playmakers on offense.

other than Jones....and mayyyyyyyyybe the oft injured Glen...do the Boys have another playmaker?? Does Whitten count?

[sike]

Ware: "Overall: Ware dominated the lower Division IA collegiate competition his final three seasons at Troy, as he finished his sophomore season with 19.5 tackles for loss and nine sacks, his junior season in 2003 with 16 TFL and six sacks and his senior season in 2004 with 18 TFL and 10 sacks. Ware has bulked up to 253 pounds but he is still a 'tweener DE/OLB prospect that will either have to move to linebacker in the NFL or play a role as a situational pass rusher. In our opinion, Ware's best fit would be as a rush linebacker in a 3-4 scheme. Ware is somewhat unpolished and he needs to continue to get bigger and stronger. However, his athletic ability, top-end speed and flair for making the big play as a pass rusher and run-defender makes him an attractive prospect. With so many NFL teams currently playing or moving"

Spears: "Spears was also a heavily recruited basketball star coming out of the high school level but elected to stick with football. He played on both sides of the ball as a true freshman in 2001 (FB, TE and DE), but moved to defense fulltime as a sophomore in 2002 and was LSU's starting LDE from that point on. Spears had eight sacks as a junior in 2003 but was still too inconsistent and didn't play with enough aggressiveness. He made a wise decision to return for his senior season in 2004 and he showed tremendous dedication during the offseason leading up to it. Spears struggled fighting through double teams early on as a senior but he continued to improve as the season progressed and finished with 17 TFL and nine sacks in 13 games. Spears doesn't have elite speed but he's an outstanding athlete for his size."

Burnett: "Burnett came to Tennessee as a free safety, but was moved to linebacker midway through his true freshman season in 2000. He started two games in 2001 and was set to become the Vols' fulltime starting "weakside" linebacker in 2002 before tearing his ACL, which required reconstructive knee surgery and cost him the entire 2002 season and 2003 spring practice. As a junior in 2003, Burnett started all 13 games and finished with 77.5 total tackles, 7.5 TFL and 1.5 sacks. Burnett made a wise decision to return for his senior season in 2004 because it gave him time to fully recover and regain his speed and explosiveness. He finished 2004 with 120 tackles, six TFL, one sack and one INT. Burnett is a terrific athlete with good size and even better speed. He is excellent in coverage, has very good range in run support"

just a little something from ESPN

[sike]

He finished 2004 with 120 tackles, six TFL, one sack and one INT

120...wow

[dirno2000]

My 4th round wish list:

1)Ciatric Faison - RB Florida
2) Fred Gibson - WR Georgia
3) Marion Barbar III - RB Minnesota
4) Kay Jay Harris - RB West Virginia

[chumdawg]

From John Clayton's winners/losers article:

Winners
• Dallas Cowboys: Coach Bill Parcells was the clear big winner in the draft. He bulked up his front seven with the additions of linebackers Demarcus Ware and Kevin Burnett and defensive end Marcus Spears. Combine that with the free-agent signing of nose tackle Jason Ferguson, and the Cowboys have the flexibility to go to a 3-4 defensive scheme or stay in a hybrid 4-3. The key was getting Ware as the pass-rusher. The Cowboys were getting the word out they were taking Shawne Merriman, who ended up going a pick later to San Diego. But Ware is a Charles Haley-type talent who can be a pass-rusher from the four-man line and a pass-rushing linebacker in the 3-4. He was one of the most unique defensive talents in the draft. Spears is the ideal end for a 3-4 scheme — a big, strong 300-pounder with some playmaking ability. Burnett is able to play inside or outside linebacker.

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[#1MavsFan]

But it was the Dallas Cowboys who gave him hopes of being a higher draft choice. Parcells secretly told Clarett he would take him, possibly as high as the fourth round. To Clarett, it was incentive. However, Shanahan offered a better reward by taking him in the third.

"Bill Parcells said he would take him in the fourth," Luchs said. "There have been some teams sneaking around, showing interest. Jerry Jones and Bill put in a lot of time checking it out."

Intresting....
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft0...ohn&id=2044793

[dirno2000]

I can't believe how many analyst believed the scouts and GM's that said he wouldn't be drafted. I'm still suprised to se him goin the third though. It's hard to knock Shanahan for drafting a RB given his track record.

This pretty much confirms my feeling that we're going RB in the 4th. There are still some guys out there that aren't head cases.

[dirno2000]

From the department of incidental information, I was reading up on Burnett and realized that he graduated from Dominguez High in Compton, also alma mater to Tyson Chandler. Wonder if he played basketball?

[ocelot_ark]

I only watched Burnett play ONE game, as I'm not a fan of Tennessee at ALL...but when I did watch I remember saying to myself, "I'd rather have that guy than any other LB I've seen this year." I watched him intently all game and I was just floored. He was awesome. To have the Boys grab him, IMHO, is a STEAL. He's going to be a stud in this league...given the one game of observation ;-)

Fred Gipson
Ciatric Faison

Either of those guys would be good.

[sike]

are there any interesting WR prospects still out there????

[endtroducing]

Gibson is still there, so is Mathis...Gibson is 6'3, Mathis runs a 4.2

[chumdawg]

Originally posted by: dirno2000
My 4th round wish list:

1)Ciatric Faison - RB Florida
2) Fred Gibson - WR Georgia
3) Marion Barbar III - RB Minnesota
4) Kay Jay Harris - RB West Virginia

Good call on Barbar, Dirno.

What do you know about Canty?

[dirno2000]

What do you know about Canty?

Just what I read in the scouting report:

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Strengths: Has an exceptional combination of size, strength and athleticism. Was a playmaker as a 3-4 DE in college. Has a lot of versatility as a prospect that projects as being able to play inside and outside in the NFL. He is strong and powerful. Has long arms and does an excellent job with his hands. Will consistently keep separation, find the football and pursue. He disengages quickly and pursues hard to the football. Is a very reliable tackler for such a big player. He lacks ideal speed but is quicker than fast. Is very fluid and relentless as a pass rusher when he gets into the backfield. He also bats down a lot of passes at the LOS. His anticipation skills are good and he has adequate to good initial quickness for an interior player. He has excellent run/pass recognition skills. Is a disciplined player that knows his assignments and executes at an extremely high level.

Weaknesses: Plays too high at times and lets blockers get into his body. Has trouble splitting the double-team and gets frustrated by it. Lacks ideal top-end speed. He lacks the explosive first step of a productive NFL edge rusher. He has decent interior penetrating skills and shows a little bit, but not great closing burst. He lacks acceleration to consistently turn the corner as an edge rusher in the NFL and might be best suited to play inside on obvious passing downs.

Overall: Injuries really limited Canty's potential as a collegiate player and will wind up costing him dearly on draft day. He missed time early in his career because of shoulder problems and he also blew out his knee four games into his senior season. However, when Canty was healthy as a fulltime starter in 2003 and for the first four games of the 2004 season he was one of the most impressive end prospects in this class. Canty finished his junior season with 104 total tackles, 11 tackles for loss and four sacks. He also led his team with 30 total tackles, including seven TFL and one sack after just four games as a senior prior to his knee injury. Canty also did not help his cause when he suffered an eye injury during a bar brawl in Scottsdale, AZ, where he was training during the post-season. He showed up late for the combine because he was unable to travel via airplane and, as of the date of this report (March 19, 2005), he had not yet worked out in Charlottesville. Canty has terrific size, agility and power when healthy. He also has the potential to play either inside or outside in a 4-3 and/or 3-4 scheme at the next level. However, the former first round prospect will slip on draft day due to his inability to stay healthy and recent concerns regarding his character. If Canty can stay healthy and out of trouble he has a chance to become an impact starter in the NFL. But he has too many alerts right now to consider paying him first round money.

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My manager is a Virginia alum and a football nut so he's seen every game this guy has played...I'll pick his brain tomorrow. I wonder if we made that trade trying to nab Fred Gibson...looks like the Steelers picked him up one pick before we could get to him.

[endtroducing]

if Jay Ratliff is there in the sixth, Dallas should take him

[Ninkobei]

I like Canty's size. 6'7 280 lbs. Not as built as Marcus Spears, then again there aren't many who are.

[sike]

they just took an O lineman and a safety....

[sike]

from espn.com on Marion Barber III

Barber, whose father was also a standout running back for the Gophers and played with the Jets in the NFL, appeared in 11 games and started two as a freshman in 2001. He appeared in two games in 2002 before sustaining a hamstring injury and taking a medical redshirt year. Barber played in all 13 games of the 2003 season and he was named first team All-Big-10. As a senior in 2004, Barber rushed for 1,082 yards and 10 touchdowns on 194 carries  splitting carries with Laurence Maroney. Barber needs to work on his running style and improve his vision and patience as a runner. However, he has adequate size, above average top-end speed, and he's a tough runner. Some feel that Barber can emerge as a "sleeper" in this class and become an impact fulltime starter in the NFL.

[sike]

from espn.com on Chris Canty
Injuries really limited Canty's potential as a collegiate player and will wind up costing him dearly on draft day. He missed time early in his career because of shoulder problems and he also blew out his knee four games into his senior season. However, when Canty was healthy as a fulltime starter in 2003 and for the first four games of the 2004 season he was one of the most impressive end prospects in this class. Canty finished his junior season with 104 total tackles, 11 tackles for loss and four sacks. He also led his team with 30 total tackles, including seven TFL and one sack after just four games as a senior prior to his knee injury. Canty also did not help his cause when he suffered an eye injury during a bar brawl in Scottsdale, AZ, where he was training during the post-season.

[sike]

from espn.com on Justin Beriault

Beriault is a fifth-year senior that redshirted in 2000 and has been a fulltime starter since his redshirt freshman season in 2001. As a junior in 2003, he led the Cardinals in total tackles with 145, including six TFL, one INT and six PBU. He continued to be extremely productive as a senior in 2004, as he finished with 125 tackles, five TFL, one INT, one PBU and one fumble recovery. Beriault is a classic blue-collar strong safety prospect. He is lean but has the frame to get bigger. He has decent speed and lacks ideal athleticism, but he is as tough, instinctive and active as it gets. Beriault likely will never develop into a fulltime contributor on defense in the NFL but he has the potential to be an adequate reserve that can keep a roster spot by making a big contribution on special teams.

[sike]

from espn.com on Rob Petitti
Petitti redshirted in 2000 before taking over as a 12-game starter in 2001, when he held Syracuse DE Dwight Freeney (Colts) with no sacks for the first time in 15 games. Petitti as a fulltime starter at left tackle since his redshirt freshman season in 2001 and the only game out of 50 that he missed was against Temple as a senior in 2004. Petitti lacks the athleticism of the elite offensive tackle prospects in this class and he'll almost certainly be forced to move to right tackle in the NFL. He also lacks a certain degree of toughness, which helps to explain why he never reached his full potential at the collegiate level. However, he still has the size, tools, durability and experience to warrant consideration early on the second day of the 2005 draft.

[chumdawg]

I read that Canty needed 50 stitches after that bar fight. 50 stitches! What did the other guy hit him with, a broken beer bottle?

[chumdawg]

Some feel that Barber can emerge as a "sleeper" in this class and become an impact fulltime starter in the NFL.

That's an enticing bit about Barber. But is he the "elusive" runner that Parcells wanted to combine with Jones?

[sike]

Originally posted by: chumdawg

That's an enticing bit about Barber. But is he the "elusive" runner that Parcells wanted to combine with Jones?

as long as Jones gets 20 a game... I'll be happy.

[sike]

Originally posted by: chumdawg
I read that Canty needed 50 stitches after that bar fight. 50 stitches! What did the other guy hit him with, a broken beer bottle?

well, at least he probably nasty [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

[chumdawg]

Another D-lineman in the seventh. Should be a competitive training camp for a bunch of guys. Can Ogbogu still make the team?

[sike]

Originally posted by: chumdawg
Another D-lineman in the seventh. Should be a competitive training camp for a bunch of guys. Can Ogbogu still make the team?

should we care?
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[dirno2000]

Originally posted by: endtroducing
if Jay Ratliff is there in the sixth, Dallas should take him

Good call...now can this guy play in the NFL? Based on the scouting report, he seems to be a tweener...too small to play tackle and not quick enough to play end.

[endtroducing]

POSITIVES: Undersized yet athletic lineman who improved his play as a senior. Leverage defender who stays low to the ground, quickly changes direction and displays the ability to immediately alter his angle of attack. Plays with balance, forward lean and rarely off his feet. Showed marked improvement reading and diagnosing the action last year. Works his hands to stay off blocks, pursues laterally and displays speed to the flanks. Fluid changing direction and makes plays up and down the line of scrimmage.

NEGATIVES: Small for a defensive tackle, handled by opponents and turned off the line of scrimmage. Several durability issues prior to his senior campaign.

ANALYSIS: A potential late bloomer, Ratliff capped off a fine senior campaign with an excellent showing in the East-West game this past January. Has the ability to backup at several positions in the NFL and could be used as a three-technique tackle or left defensive end. Must continue to stay healthy and progress, but has solid upside for the next level.

PROJECTION: Late Third Round

[endtroducing]

possible FA pickups:

Michael Munoz
Ben Wilkerson
Junior Rosegreen
Silas Daniels
DeCori Birmingham
Doug Buckles
Lionel Turner
Brock Berlin
Kevin Arbet

was Vince Carter drafted?

[dirno2000]

was Vince Carter drafted?

Nope...and Brock Berlin sucks...

[endtroducing]

I would take either one of the centers...Rosegreen could be good on special teams

[endtroducing]

Houshmanzadeh
C. Johnson
Warrick
Henry
Johnson
Palmer

pretty nice offense there in Cincy

[capitalcity]

Brock Berlin? My dog is smarter than Brock Berlin.

...and what about Adell Duckett and Rod Wright - Did those guys go anywhere today?

[mavs413]

Originally posted by: endtroducing
possible FA pickups:

Michael Munoz
Ben Wilkerson
Junior Rosegreen
Silas Daniels
DeCori Birmingham
Doug Buckles
Lionel Turner
Brock Berlin
Kevin Arbet

was Vince Carter drafted?

I'd like to add:

Timmy Chang QB Hawaii
Bryan Randall QB Virginia Tech
T.A. McClendon RB NC State
Kay Jay Harris RB West Virginia
Tyson Thompson RB San Jose State
Steve Savoy WR Utah
Taylor Stubblefield WR Purdue
Chauncey Stovall WR Florida State
Geoff McArthur WR California
Zach Tuiasosopo FB Washington
Alex Holmes TE Southern California
Matt Tarullo C Syracuse
C.J. Brooks G Maryland
Sam Lightbody T Washington State
Brandon Browner CB Oregon State
Chris McKenzie CB Arizona State
Ernest Shazor S Michigan
James Butler S Georgia Tech
Matt Grootegoed S Southern California
Jamaal Brimmer S UNLV

[dalmations202]

...and what about Adell Duckett and Rod Wright - Did those guys go anywhere today?

Not sure about Rod Wright, but Duckett didn't. I think the Cows should bring him in. He would take some developing, but he can play.