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LonghornDub · 01-30-2008, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

http://mavs.beloblog.com/archives/20...dd_rumors.html

That really doesn't disprove much. Notice that there's a critical difference between the scenario that Cuban rejected and the one in the link I posted--the inclusion of Devin Harris.

Obviously, anyone who thinks we're giving up Harris for a 35 year old PG is "smoking crack". But clearly Cuban doesnt feel the same way about a trade that doesnt include Harris.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-30-2008, 03:32 PM

Please God get this done.

Which writer posted that?

LonghornDub · 01-30-2008, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Please God get this done.

Which writer posted that?

It doesnt say. They seem to just be individual snippets from various sources, so there's no "writer" per se I guess.

jthig32 · 01-30-2008, 03:36 PM

That trade doesn't make any sense without a significant player going to Portalnd from either us or New Jersey. Who could New Jersey send Portland that would make them give up Outlaw???

I don't buy that at all.

jthig32 · 01-30-2008, 03:38 PM

Kidd GIVES you a world title? As the starting PG with no Devin and no Stack?

That's ridiculous.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-30-2008, 03:39 PM

I don't buy it either but I do believe we are involved in talks at least. Especially with Kiki being their co-gm now.

Hydhypedplaya · 01-30-2008, 03:40 PM

The New Jersey Nets are in serious negotiations with the Dallas Mavericks and Portland Trail Blazers about a blockbuster three-way trade that would send Jason Kidd to the Mavericks, league sources said Wednesday afternoon.

In the proposed trade, Dallas and Portland would send the Nets a package that includes the Mavs' Devean George and Jerry Stackhouse and Blazers forwards Travis Outlaw and Channing Frye and guard Jarrett Jack. Mavericks point guard Devin Harris would be sent to Portland. Along with Kidd, the Nets would send reserve forward Malik Allen and center Jamaal Magloire to Dallas.

The Nets would also receive at least one future No. 1 pick and cash. Other players could be included to balance the exchange of contracts.

The Record (N.J.) first reported Wednesday morning that the three teams were in discussions.

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League sources say that Nets president Rod Thorn has been working the phones relentlessly since Kidd went public on Monday with his trade request. Thorn seems determined to get a deal done soon and may be looking to completely remake the Nets. He also has been dangling guard Vince Carter.

Kidd, 34, is making $19.7 million this season, and has one year left in on his contract at $21.4 million. Kidd The addition of Kidd could make the Mavericks sudden favorites in the West, where they have had two straight heart-breaking playoff runs and currently have the third-best record in the conference.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...yhoo&type=lgns

Hydhypedplaya · 01-30-2008, 03:42 PM

The New Jersey Nets are in serious negotiations with the Dallas Mavericks and Portland Trail Blazers about a blockbuster three-way trade that would send Jason Kidd to the Mavericks, league sources said Wednesday afternoon.

In the proposed trade, Dallas and Portland would send the Nets a package that includes the Mavs' Devean George and Jerry Stackhouse and Blazers forwards Travis Outlaw and Channing Frye and guard Jarrett Jack. Mavericks point guard Devin Harris would be sent to Portland. Along with Kidd, the Nets would send reserve forward Malik Allen and center Jamaal Magloire to Dallas.

The Nets would also receive at least one future No. 1 pick and cash. Other players could be included to balance the exchange of contracts.

The Record (N.J.) first reported Wednesday morning that the three teams were in discussions.

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League sources say that Nets president Rod Thorn has been working the phones relentlessly since Kidd went public on Monday with his trade request. Thorn seems determined to get a deal done soon and may be looking to completely remake the Nets. He also has been dangling guard Vince Carter.

Kidd, 34, is making $19.7 million this season, and has one year left in on his contract at $21.4 million. Kidd The addition of Kidd could make the Mavericks sudden favorites in the West, where they have had two straight heart-breaking playoff runs and currently have the third-best record in the conference.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...yhoo&type=lgns

LonghornDub · 01-30-2008, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

That trade doesn't make any sense without a significant player going to Portalnd from either us or New Jersey. Who could New Jersey send Portland that would make them give up Outlaw???

I don't buy that at all.

Pretty sure no one bought that KG would be moved in a trade where the main (and really only) piece was Al Jefferson. Also pretty sure no one bought that Shaq would be traded for Lamar Odom + trash.

Weird stuff happens. Plus, it's not like the Nets have NO ONE that Portland would want.
What about Jefferson? Kristic?

LonghornDub · 01-30-2008, 03:47 PM

This probably could have gone in my thread, but hey, I'm not the thread police.

twistaeffect2004 · 01-30-2008, 03:51 PM

Kidd would make us a better team this season, and next season. But damn, our point guard situation would be extremely old. This would also put the Mavs in a situation where we'd have to win now. There is no more tomorrow if the move is made.

LonghornDub · 01-30-2008, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by twistaeffect2004

Kidd would make us a better team this season, and next season. But damn, our point guard situation would be extremely old. This would also put the Mavs in a situation where we'd have to win now. There is no more tomorrow if the move is made.

Are you reading the link right? Devin Harris is not included in the deal. How would our PG situation be "old"?

ddh33 · 01-30-2008, 03:54 PM

Since it's here, I will say that the writer is the former beat writer for the Nets. Now, from my perspective, that deal looks awfully favorable to the Nets. In fact, I don't see either the Mavs or Blazers making that deal. All of which makes me think that the Nets are trying hard to drive up the price. I don't think this is legit though.

Thespiralgoeson · 01-30-2008, 03:56 PM

Complete and utter BS

Flacolaco · 01-30-2008, 03:56 PM

That would be a heck of a good way to piss off the entire western conference. Oden + Harris ftw. If the mavs do that, I hope Portland knocks us out of the playoffs for karma's sake.

EricaLubarsky · 01-30-2008, 03:58 PM

NJ-Portland-Dallas trade eh

EricaLubarsky · 01-30-2008, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Windmill360°

I really would not like to see Diop to go.

single best defensive showings against Duncan in the entire league.

EricaLubarsky · 01-30-2008, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ProdigyDub

Are you reading the link right? Devin Harris is not included in the deal. How would our PG situation be "old"?

We'd end up with Kidd, Harris, Terry, possibly Jack-- thats a lot of guys at the 1, and of which Kidd is probably the best and he's older than dirt.

EricaLubarsky · 01-30-2008, 04:02 PM

Wow

Magloire and Kidd for Harris and Stackhouse...no mention of Diop.

endtroducing MASKED · 01-30-2008, 04:04 PM

a Stackhouse that is long in the tooth and hurt?

Thespiralgoeson · 01-30-2008, 04:06 PM

Lose Harris and get Kidd? No thank you.

twistaeffect2004 · 01-30-2008, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ProdigyDub

Are you reading the link right? Devin Harris is not included in the deal. How would our PG situation be "old"?

According to the new Yahoo report, Devin Harris would be going to Portland. And Dallas would be receiving Kidd, Allen, Magloire, and possibly Armstrong.

So yes.. Kidd/Jet/DA is an old squad.

Usually Lurkin · 01-30-2008, 04:14 PM

Harris to Portland? Do we really want to help build up that Monster Youth Squad?

DLord · 01-30-2008, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Hydhypedplaya

In the proposed trade, Dallas and Portland would send the Nets a package that includes the Mavs' Devean George and Jerry Stackhouse and Blazers forwards Travis Outlaw and Channing Frye and guard Jarrett Jack. Mavericks point guard Devin Harris would be sent to Portland. Along with Kidd, the Nets would send reserve forward Malik Allen and center Jamaal Magloire to Dallas.

The Nets would also receive at least one future No. 1 pick and cash. Other players could be included to balance the exchange of contracts.

We should bear in mind that Cuban was asked to comment on virtually this very idea (Kidd to the Mavs for Harris, Diop, Stackhouse, George, and Juwon Howard) and his response to the one asking was, "Step away from your crack dealer." So the Mavs apparently see this to be as absurd as we think it is.

Hitman · 01-30-2008, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by twistaeffect2004

According to the new Yahoo report, Devin Harris would be going to Portland. And Dallas would be receiving Kidd, Allen, Magloire, and possibly Armstrong.

So yes.. Kidd/Jet/DA is an old squad.

No the Yahoo report says nothing about Devin. If you could get Kidd without giving up Harris or Diop you are insane not to do it. It would be time to start planning the parade.

twistaeffect2004 · 01-30-2008, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Hitman

No the Yahoo report says nothing about Devin. If you could get Kidd without giving up Harris or Diop you are insane not to do it. It would be time to start planning the parade.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...yhoo&type=lgns

"The New Jersey Nets are in serious negotiations with the Dallas Mavericks and Portland Trail Blazers about a blockbuster three-way trade that would send Jason Kidd to the Mavericks, league sources said Wednesday afternoon.

In the proposed trade, Dallas and Portland would send the Nets a package that includes the Mavs' Devean George and Jerry Stackhouse and Blazers forwards Travis Outlaw and Channing Frye and guard Jarrett Jack. Mavericks point guard Devin Harris would be sent to Portland. Along with Kidd, the Nets would send reserve forward Malik Allen and center Jamaal Magloire to Dallas. "

It saids it plain as day. Devin Harris would be sent to Portland.

adirktotheheart · 01-30-2008, 04:30 PM

So the plan would be for Kidd to be our PG for this season and next, then in '09-'10 he leaves as a FA and we dip into the FA pool for a replacement? Chris Paul and Deron Williams will be FA's after the '09 season, or we could replicate ATL's experimenting with Joe Johnson at PG.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-30-2008, 04:31 PM

It's the ESPN Insider Article that doesn't involve Harris, relax. Let us all just hope Harris isn't involved if the trade goes down.

Tokey41 · 01-30-2008, 04:33 PM

And as mentioned about 20 other times in various other Kidd related news... George needs to approve the trade doesn't he? I'm sure he would be thrilled to go to NJ from an elite Mavericks squad...

If we could get Kidd without giving up Harris i'd be all over it... we'd be able to defend any kind of pg thrown at us. How come there is no mention of KVH's contract in this deal? That would give them plenty of cap room. If people were so eager to do that with Shaq why not Kidd? I can assure you it would be a better investment.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-30-2008, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Tokey41

And as mentioned about 20 other times in various other Kidd related news... George needs to approve the trade doesn't he? I'm sure he would be thrilled to go to NJ from an elite Mavericks squad...

If we could get Kidd without giving up Harris i'd be all over it... we'd be able to defend any kind of pg thrown at us. How come there is no mention of KVH's contract in this deal? That would give them plenty of cap room. If people were so eager to do that with Shaq why not Kidd? I can assure you it would be a better investment.

That's probably why the articles mentioned how complicated it would be to do it. KVH's contract would almost definitely have to be involved unless we traded someone like Damp because contracts don't match otherwise.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-30-2008, 04:48 PM

The Yahoo Sports article isn't even in the rumor column though, it's on the front page of their sports. That's at least gotta raise some eyebrows here.

jthig32 · 01-30-2008, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DLord

We should bear in mind that Cuban was asked to comment on virtually this very idea (Kidd to the Mavs for Harris, Diop, Stackhouse, George, and Juwon Howard) and his response to the one asking was, "Step away from your crack dealer." So the Mavs apparently see this to be as absurd as we think it is.

Agreed.

I stand by my statement. The idea of sending Harris AND Stack for Kidd is ridicuous to me. Absurd.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-30-2008, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Agreed.

I stand by my statement. The idea of sending Harris AND Stack for Kidd is ridicuous to me. Absurd.

How do you think I feel? Look at my name, and I have a signed picture of the kid in my room. My heart is racing.

MFFL · 01-30-2008, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dirno2000

According to Norm Devin would go to Portland.

So we'd be essentially giving up Harris, Stackhouse, George and Diop for Kidd.

I wouldn't even consider that trade.

Exactly.

Harris for Kidd is NOT a good trade for us. We shouldn't need to offer that much for Kidd

twistaeffect2004 · 01-30-2008, 05:01 PM

Would this trade make the Mavs a better team short term?

LonghornDub · 01-30-2008, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Agreed.

I stand by my statement. The idea of sending Harris AND Stack for Kidd is ridicuous to me. Absurd.

Of course it is, but the link I posted from ESPN didn't involve Harris.

Any trade where Harris leaves the Mavs for someone short of a Kobe/Wade caliber player is ridiculous.

jthig32 · 01-30-2008, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ProdigyDub

Of course it is, but the link I posted from ESPN didn't involve Harris.

Any trade where Harris leaves the Mavs for someone short of a Kobe/Wade caliber player is ridiculous.

Well, the trade you posted mentions "other players would be involved" and has no one going to the Portland. I think the obvious inference is that Harris would be the one going to Portland in that scenario.

Could be wrong, but that's what I thought when I read it.

I'm not saying all discussion of the Kidd trade is absurd. We agree, if Harris isn't involved, I'm interested. If Harris is interested in any way, I'm out. Period.

Aexchange mentioned in another thread that Devin is already our second best player. I'm not ready to go that far, but I think it's pretty close to being a valid discussion, and I think three years from now there will be little doubt that Devin is a more valuable and better player than JHo.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-30-2008, 05:18 PM

I emailed Wajnorowski who wrote the Yahoo sports article. I'll post what he replies when/if he does. I asked him to clarify what players might be involved since other rumors mention different players. We shall see...

LonghornDub · 01-30-2008, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Well, the trade you posted mentions "other players would be involved" and has no one going to the Portland. I think the obvious inference is that Harris would be the one going to Portland in that scenario.

Could be wrong, but that's what I thought when I read it.

I'm not saying all discussion of the Kidd trade is absurd. We agree, if Harris isn't involved, I'm interested. If Harris is interested in any way, I'm out. Period.

Aexchange mentioned in another thread that Devin is already our second best player. I'm not ready to go that far, but I think it's pretty close to being a valid discussion, and I think three years from now there will be little doubt that Devin is a more valuable and better player than JHo.

Understandable. I'm with you that that would probably never happen especially given what Cuban said.

I'm holding out hope that this deal does in fact get done without us losing Harris. That'd really put us over the top.

Bookit · 01-30-2008, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

single best defensive showings against Duncan in the entire league.

Thank you