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rabbitproof · 11-04-2008, 11:31 PM

murphy3,

no doubt, race still has an impact and it can still be ugly. but it can also have a good impact - if you consider voter turnout a good thing.

but the point is that this doesn't happen 40 years or 20 years ago and maybe not even 10 back.

fluid.forty.one · 11-04-2008, 11:31 PM

For those of you complaining about *some* blacks voting for Barack because he's black...

what about those whites who voted for mccain because he's NOT black.

Seriously GTFO. Bash him if he messes up in his presidency, don't stoop to that level at this time.

Murphy3 · 11-04-2008, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by FINtastic

Yeah, if anything this election showed me how much racial tension there still is in this country. But maybe now that Obama is elected, the country will head in the right direction.

Stuff I saw tonight kinda disturbed me though.

If I were African American, I would be ashamed of what my fellow African Americans have shown me over the past several months.... just as I am a whitey ashamed of what I've seen from many Whitey Americans.

It will always be that way. There will always be a section of society that is ignorant. It won't be specifically one particular race, but mankind on the whole. Face it, there's alot of ignorance out there. Perhaps it will get better. I believe that it has in my life time. But, many people will always find a reason to hate one another. If it's not race with some, they'll find some other reason.

Dtownsfinest · 11-04-2008, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 92bDad

That 100% figure came from none other than John Wiley Price

John Wiley Price is a goh damn idiot. I thought everyone got that when he found racism in the term "blackhole"?

Underdog · 11-04-2008, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 92bDad

It is what it is...my apologies if you don't like the truth.

Republicans are as much to blame for this mess and like I said, it's simply a sad day in America

Silk Smoov · 11-04-2008, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

Yep, there are alot of people right now wishing they had a do-over.

Sorry, but the best man won. Lets not take that for granted. The best man for President won...BUT, that was the real McCain tonight.

Dtownsfinest · 11-04-2008, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by FINtastic

Yeah, if anything this election showed me how much racial tension there still is in this country. But maybe now that Obama is elected, the country will head in the right direction.

Stuff I saw tonight kinda disturbed me though.

Like what?

chumdawg · 11-04-2008, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

It wasn't 100% you idiot. Is that what Faux News told you? And it doesn't matter. Every black person in america could've voted for Obama and he still wouldn't have won. It took more than one race to win this election.

A more than excellent point.

Janett_Reno · 11-04-2008, 11:34 PM

McCain made a great speech tonight. It was ashame they did not let him be himself. Great race Obama ran and what a great president he will be.

Murphy3 · 11-04-2008, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

For those of you complaining about *some* blacks voting for Barack because he's black...

what about those whites who voted for mccain because he's NOT black.

Seriously GTFO. Bash him if he messes up in his presidency, don't stoop to that level at this time.

I'm sure there are thousands upon thousands that voted for McCain just because he's white...

Murphy3 · 11-04-2008, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

John Wiley Price is a goh damn idiot. I thought everyone got that when he found racism in the term "blackhole"?

I second that motion. John Wiley Price is among the worst of what the African American community has to offer our society.

Flacolaco · 11-04-2008, 11:36 PM

I'm not sure if it's more remarkable that someone of half-African American descent can get elected, where as that could have never happened 20, 30, 40 years ago, or if it's more remarkable that someone with ideas incredibly similar to those so feared during the cold war can get elected, where as that could have never happened 20, 30, 40 years ago. Certainly historic.

Dtownsfinest · 11-04-2008, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

For those of you complaining about *some* blacks voting for Barack because he's black...

what about those whites who voted for mccain because he's NOT black.

Seriously GTFO. Bash him if he messes up in his presidency, don't stoop to that level at this time.

Exactly. And all of it is due to ignorance. If you're black you should feel guilty about voting for a black man? 92's logic is so effin' stupid. He has no idea on why people voted the way they did. Sure there are people who voted for him because he was black and vice versa for McCain.

FINtastic · 11-04-2008, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

Yep, there are alot of people right now wishing they had a do-over.

If anyone, it's probably McCain. I thought he came off as a fairly likeable guy 8 months ago or whenever he won the nomination. Then the Republican advisors and whatnot got ahold of the guy and really botched things imo. If McCain had stuck to the vibes he seemed to be giving off back then, I would have like the guy a lot more. The Palin selection was kind of the nail in the coffin there. I still think McCain is a good guy, but he got brainwashed by the whack direction of the current powers-that-be in the republican party.

Murphy3 · 11-04-2008, 11:37 PM

It's a shame for McCain.. He truly had virtually no chance to win following up Bush.

Mavdog · 11-04-2008, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

ooohhkay, don't you think race had a huge impact on this election? I'm sure it's the opposite... many, many African Americans voted for Obama simply because he's black.. and probably the same except for the white thing with McCain.

I wish the best for Obama. I don't believe he's a good man. I think quite the opposite. I do believe that America will look back and think "what in the hell were we thinking." But, he will be our president, so I hope he proves me wrong. I don't wish for failure of anyone that is put in place to make difficult decisions for our country. Once elected, I wish them nothing but the best. I suppose that's the good part of me not really having a party affiliation.

race has had an influence in our elections since black americans were granted the right to vote.

this time however race was a positive element in the election.

imo obama didn't run as a black american, he ran as an american who happened to be black.

is black americans voting for obama because of he's black anything different than a voter going with a candidate for what state they are from, or how young/old they are, or any other reason except what their policy positions are?

no, not at all.

kappasigma · 11-04-2008, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

It wasn't 100% you idiot. Is that what Faux News told you? And it doesn't matter. Every black person in america could've voted for Obama and he still wouldn't have won. It took more than one race to win this election.

hahaha, ya, 13% of the population is all it takes. oh, wait a minute, they allowed people to vote online, so I bet it was all the muslims in kenya who voted. we'll all be wearing turbins now that barak won

Silk Smoov · 11-04-2008, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

I'm sure there are thousands upon thousands that voted for McCain just because he's white...

Devil will NOT still OUR joy 2night!!!! SERIOUSLY!!!!!!!!

rabbitproof · 11-04-2008, 11:38 PM

I think the black thing is progress.

The 'socialist' thing is a tip o'the hat to GWB.

Murphy3 · 11-04-2008, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

Exactly. And all of it is due to ignorance. If you're black you should feel guilty about voting for a black man? 92's logic is so effin' stupid. He has no idea on why people voted the way they did. Sure there are people who voted for him because he was black and vice versa for McCain.

As they say on Happy Days.. exactamundo.

Dtownsfinest · 11-04-2008, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

I second that motion. John Wiley Price is among the worst of what the African American community has to offer our society.

Well......IMO he was a self appointed leader. I have a hard time calling him even a leader because only a fool would let a fool lead them.

kappasigma · 11-04-2008, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by kappasigma

hahaha, ya, 13% of the population is all it takes. oh, wait a minute, they allowed people to vote online, so I bet it was all the muslims in kenya who voted. we'll all be wearing turbins now that barak won

woops, i meant to quote the guy talking about how black people won the race & its racism

Flacolaco · 11-04-2008, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

It's a shame for McCain.. He truly had virtually no chance to win following up Bush.

The count is 45 million to 42 million right now. He had a lot better chance than I thought he did. Had it not been for the economic tsunami 30 years in the making that came crashing down a month ago...who knows?

chumdawg · 11-04-2008, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

For those of you complaining about *some* blacks voting for Barack because he's black...

what about those whites who voted for mccain because he's NOT black.

Right. Obama isn't going to come anywhere near winning the white vote. Whites voted for McCain in greater percentage than the electorate as a whole did? So the hell what? You can vote however you like, as those kids on the YouTube video rapped. You don't have to argue your case.

Politics is ALL about voting blocs. If blacks are a voting bloc, if whites are a voting bloc, if Latinos are a voting bloc, if anyone else is a voting bloc...well, that's just the way the world works.

92bDad · 11-04-2008, 11:39 PM

Whites voting against Obama because he's black is as sick as blacks voting for Obama because he's black.

I have voted based on the issues all the way through.

I would like to see folks calling out racial ignorance, instead of ignoring it.

Barak was and is not the best candidate. He will do Liberals proud, but he will not do justice for the American people and least of all his own cultural background.

I suppose I should be pleased with the outcome...this will give Republicans and opportunity to truly go after and ask for the African-American vote.

The Republicans are the ones with true opportunity for all and the next 2-4 years will be a prime time for Republicans to make their point and to draw African-Americans back into the party of Martin Luther King.

But for all the celebrations...America is pissed and the watchdogs will be on and in force!!!

fluid.forty.one · 11-04-2008, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by kappasigma

now lets all act very patriotic and american by bashing and lying about barak. don't forget, he's a muslim monkey born in afghanistan to taliban parents. he's also going to let iran nuke us. he's also going to tax us for every cent we ever make as a plumber and give it to all of the people in the projects. darn that guy. doesn't he know that we pay taxes to defend israel?

ummmm

FINtastic · 11-04-2008, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

I'm not sure if it's more remarkable that someone of half-African American descent can get elected, where as that could have never happened 20, 30, 40 years ago, or if it's more remarkable that someone with ideas incredibly similar to those so feared during the cold war can get elected, where as that could have never happened 20, 30, 40 years ago. Certainly historic.

Meh, Obama doesn't really strike me as a socialist (unless he radically veers off his campaign promises). I think you have other people you should be more worried about, but that may just be me.

fluid.forty.one · 11-04-2008, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 92bDad

Barak was and is not the best candidate.

America seems to have disagreed with you. Just because you believe something doesn't mean other people should.

Barack would have gotten slaughtered in this election without the white vote. Let's not forget that.

Murphy3 · 11-04-2008, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavdog

race has had an influence in our elections since black americans were granted the right to vote.

this time however race was a positive element in the election.

imo obama didn't run as a black american, he ran as an american who happened to be black.

is black americans voting for obama because of he's black anything different than a voter going with a candidate for what state they are from, or how young/old they are, or any other reason except what their policy positions are?

no, not at all.

I don't think that anyone has to apologize for voting for a candidate just because they are of the same race. I truthfully wish that race wasn't a deciding factor for some, but it always will be. If you look at 2 candidates and truthfully cannot decide based upon what they stand for, then race or sex probably becomes a deciding factor for many. Hey, something has to be a deciding factor for those that otherwise cannot make up their minds. Perhaps it's age..

Personally, I cannot say that I have ever voted for someone based upon age, sex, or race...but, I suppose there could come a point to where I had to come up with a reason to decide between 2 candidates that I believed were equally qualified.

Underdog · 11-04-2008, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 92bDad

Whites voting against Obama because he's black is as sick as blacks voting for Obama because he's black.

I have voted based on the issues all the way through.

I would like to see folks calling out racial ignorance, instead of ignoring it.

Barak was and is not the best candidate. He will do Liberals proud, but he will not do justice for the American people and least of all his own cultural background.

I suppose I should be pleased with the outcome...this will give Republicans and opportunity to truly go after and ask for the African-American vote.

The Republicans are the ones with true opportunity for all and the next 2-4 years will be a prime time for Republicans to make their point and to draw African-Americans back into the party of Martin Luther King.

But for all the celebrations...America is pissed and the watchdogs will be on and in force!!!

You're such a f*cking idiot...

Why aren't any of the other Republicans around here singing your tune?

Murphy3 · 11-04-2008, 11:44 PM

Congrats to Mr. Obama... Hopefully I'll be congratulating the US a few years from now for making an intelligent decision when I saw it a different way.

FINtastic · 11-04-2008, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavdog

race has had an influence in our elections since black americans were granted the right to vote.

this time however race was a positive element in the election.

imo obama didn't run as a black american, he ran as an american who happened to be black.

is black americans voting for obama because of he's black anything different than a voter going with a candidate for what state they are from, or how young/old they are, or any other reason except what their policy positions are?

no, not at all.

They are all stupid reasons that frustrate me.

And I'm not saying the wrong guy won, but I hate seeing people vote for stupid reasons. We've probably come along way in that regard, but hey I'm only 22 so I guess this is the first time I've really become cognizant of how many people vote for stupid reasons.

92bDad · 11-04-2008, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

America seems to have disagreed with you. Just because you believe something doesn't mean other people should.

Barack would have gotten slaughtered in this election without the white vote. Let's not forget that.

Like I said...it is what it is...I've seen a ton of sheep lead off to slaughter, just because the sheep go with the flow doesn't make them right.

My Prayers are with Obama and America...I've stated all day, that I hope I am wrong about not only him but the Liberals pulling his strings!!!

At least I'm consistant and have disagreed with Obama and Liberals based on their positions on the issues...If I'm wrong, then their is no harm...if I'm correct, heck if I'm only half correct, then we are in for a long 4 years!!! This is shaping up to be worse than the Carter years...but hey, it took Carter to usher in Reagan!!! So I agree, there is hope.

rabbitproof · 11-04-2008, 11:46 PM

Tube reporting 17 women in the Senate. New high as well.

GermanDunk · 11-04-2008, 11:46 PM

All right. I´m offline. Celebrate, be merry and open a beer. Mavs made it, too. See ya on next gameday !

Flacolaco · 11-04-2008, 11:48 PM

Well at least no one can say that he doesn't have any political accomplishments any more.

Rhylan · 11-04-2008, 11:48 PM

I just want to be the first to say that Jesse Jackson was crying because he's out of a job.

rmacomic · 11-04-2008, 11:49 PM

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I just want to be the first to say that Jesse Jackson was crying because he's out of a job.

Damn the rep system!

Dtownsfinest · 11-04-2008, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 92bDad

Like I said...it is what it is...I've seen a ton of sheep lead off to slaughter, just because the sheep go with the flow doesn't make them right.

My Prayers are with Obama and America...I've stated all day, that I hope I am wrong about not only him but the Liberals pulling his strings!!!

At least I'm consistant and have disagreed with Obama and Liberals based on their positions on the issues...If I'm wrong, then their is no harm...if I'm correct, heck if I'm only half correct, then we are in for a long 4 years!!! This is shaping up to be worse than the Carter years...but hey, it took Carter to usher in Reagan!!! So I agree, there is hope.

I'm dissapointed in you to be honest. This is one of the most beautiful days in history and you're on a message board spewing hate. Its not even about your opinions of Obama. We can agree to disagree. That's life. But put your hate aside for atleast 2 minutes and realize how beautiful this moment is right now.

Murphy3 · 11-04-2008, 11:51 PM

And let's be honest...the most important victory of the night was the Mavs beating the Spurs.