2009 NBA Offseason Thread - Page 7 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

fluid.forty.one · 07-10-2009, 10:21 PM

Goodbye, Brandon Bass.

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 07-10-2009, 10:33 PM

+Gortat + Marion + Humphries + Juwai + Ross + Beaubois + Calathes + Nivins + Buckner
-Bass -George -Stack -Wright

I think we're way ahead. George and Stackhouse were additions by subtractions really.

BTW, is this right?

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The Grizzlies received veteran guard Jerry Stackhouse from Dallas and a 2016 second round pick from the Toronto Raptors.

2016???? WTF? LOL

MavsFanFinley · 07-10-2009, 11:25 PM

Blazers sign Paul Millsap to an offer sheet.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar...our_year_deal/

badfish22 · 07-11-2009, 12:20 AM

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nb...SW_HOU_1a.nba/

Steph Curry was my favorite player taken in the draft. Looked great here

Justin Credible · 07-11-2009, 07:25 AM

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Blazers sign Paul Millsap to an offer sheet.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar...our_year_deal/

Ha! Talk about playing hardball here.. They try to orchestrate a trade for Boozer and simultaneously go after the guy whom is the reason that they're open to getting rid of Boozer.. That kind of forces Utah to make a decision and get rid of one or the other as quickly as possible.

It makes you wonder if Dallas should be in the thick of this now considering the article on DB (Dallas for Boozer - Boozer for.....).

Jon Avalon · 07-11-2009, 11:04 AM

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2016???? WTF? LOL

bwhahahah 2016? damn, didn't know you can have picks that far in advanced lol.

Nowitzki4President · 07-11-2009, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Justin Credible

It makes you wonder if Dallas should be in the thick of this now considering the article on DB (Dallas for Boozer - Boozer for.....).

With no stack chip, no S&T Bass, no Damp chip yet, and most likely not getting rid of JHo. What could we possibly put into a 3 team trade?

Dirkenstien · 07-11-2009, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Nowitzki4President

With no stack chip, no S&T Bass, no Damp chip yet, and most likely not getting rid of JHo. What could we possibly put into a 3 team trade?

I think JHO would have to be in the deal. I wouldn't mind Boozer at the 5, though, for the right price.

alby · 07-12-2009, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

Goodbye, Brandon Bass.

fine by me. I would have wanted a SnT with the guy but being a BYC player it was just too complicated.

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Originally Posted by MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs

+Gortat + Marion + Humphries + Juwai + Ross + Beaubois + Calathes + Nivins + Buckner
-Bass -George -Stack -Wright

I think we're way ahead. George and Stackhouse were additions by subtractions really.

BTW, is this right?

2016???? WTF? LOL

Would you say Memphis has the worst front office in the league?

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Originally Posted by Dirkenstien

I think JHO would have to be in the deal. I wouldn't mind Boozer at the 5, though, for the right price.

I do not want Boozer at the 5, at any price.

Nowitzki4President · 07-12-2009, 02:20 PM

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I do not want Boozer at the 5, at any price.

One could say Boozer has become a Loozer. Pun definitely intended

darkwitzki · 07-12-2009, 08:49 PM

I think we need a SG guy who can slide to PG if given a situation... Can we pry Barbosa from Phoenix?

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 07-12-2009, 09:32 PM

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I think we need a SG guy who can slide to PG if given a situation... Can we pry Barbosa from Phoenix?

Phoenix has stated they are no longer dumping salary. They're still willing to make trades but it has to be for equal value, player for player. So we'd probably have to give up J-Ho for Barbosa.

But Barbosa doesn't have a bad contract and is a good player. So no reason for the Suns to trade him at all.

badfish22 · 07-12-2009, 10:25 PM

Jennings is playing good right now. 20 pts, 5 assist and 5 steals. Still not up to Roddys level tho haha

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 07-12-2009, 10:27 PM

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Waiting game could be costly for LeBron, Wade, Bosh
July 12, 2009
By Ken Berger
CBSSports.com Senior Writer
Tell Ken your opinion!

Berger: Crunching the numbers

It all seemed so simple when Cleveland's LeBron James, Miami's Dwyane Wade and Toronto's Chris Bosh signed three-year extensions three years ago this month. It was all about measuring their teams' progress toward a championship while maintaining the flexibility to find new homes in the summer of 2010 -- a year before the NBA's collective bargaining agreement expires.

That flexibility took a significant hit last week when the NBA acknowledged what many of its teams already knew: Shrinking revenues are likely to take a massive bite out of the dollars available to the Big Three next summer. Based on an estimated 5 percent decline in basketball-related income next season, the 2010-11 salary cap would plummet to $50.4 million from its current level of $57.7 million.

When James, Wade and Bosh signed their extensions in 2006, before the global economic downturn, they had every reason to believe the cap would exceed $60 million by the time their player options came due on June 30, 2010. All three would be eligible for the maximum salary of 30 percent of the cap in the first year of their free-agent deals, meaning the discussion would start at almost $20 million a year.

Not anymore. If the NBA's fears about further revenue erosion next season are well-founded, James, Wade and Bosh would be better off signing extensions with their current teams this summer.

Decision time began Sunday, when Wade became the first of the Big Three to be eligible for an extension. Bosh's one-year window opens at 12:01 a.m. Tuesday, followed by the most sought-after 2010 prize of all, James, whose extension window opens on Saturday.

"There's no question that if the cap goes down, as projected by the NBA, [James] stands to lose a lot of money," according to a legal source familiar with the matter. "He really would have to decide what's important to him and where he thinks he'd have the best chance to win."

That assessment depends on what James and the other two multi-millionaires consider to be "a lot of money." Based on their current salaries, collective bargaining agreement guidelines, and the NBA's projection of a $50.4 million cap in 2010-11, James, Wade and Bosh would cost themselves about $7.7 million apiece over the next five years by opting out next summer and signing new deals -- either with their current teams or new ones -- as opposed to signing extensions this summer.

With two years left, including a player option for 2010-11, James, Wade and Bosh are eligible to sign four-year extensions this summer; the maximum length of any deal is six years. Based on their current salaries and provisions of the collective bargaining agreement, each would make $103.75 million over the next five years by signing an extension with his current team before June 30, 2010.

By waiting until next summer and opting out, they would make $96.1 million over the next five seasons due to the projected shrinking of the cap. Of course, by re-signing with their current teams or participating in a sign-and-trade next summer, they would be eligible for a sixth year at $23.2 million. But because they can't get a sixth year if they sign extensions this summer, and for the sake of an apples-to-apples comparison of their options, we'll focus on the next five years.

For James -- and likely for Wade and Bosh -- $7.7 million spread over a $100 million-plus contract is significant, but might not be a deal breaker. This would be especially true if the new contract were with the Knicks or Nets, where millions could be recouped through endorsements in the country's advertising mecca. For all three, some factors are more important than money. Wade received his extension offer Sunday, but stated emphatically last week that he wants to measure the Heat's progress toward contending for a championship before he signs it.

"The obvious caveat is that 'Bron will likely be OK with leaving a bit of cheddar on table," one rival executive said. "The cap going down makes it worse for the Cavs, because that makes an even louder case for more endorsement money to offset. Madison Avenue or Maple Street? I say 'A.'"

Executives around the league also believe James' decision will be based on how close the Cavs are to a championship. That feeling obviously is shared by the Cleveland front office, which made the bold move to acquire Shaquille O'Neal to help fortify LeBron's last title push before he is able to leave. Likewise, Toronto boldly landed free agent Hedo Turkoglu to complement Bosh.

Leon Rose, who represents James, didn't respond to a request for comment on James' decision. James has closely guarded his intentions, and if he's decided on a strategy, he hasn't made it public yet. His camp aggressively shot down a recent report that James told free agent Trevor Ariza he intended to stay with the Cavs beyond the 2009-10 season. In my view, that was a telling grasp at maintaining his leverage.

Henry Thomas, who represents Wade and Bosh, said his clients are looking forward to evaluating extension offers from their teams.

"You can editorialize about the numbers that you've heard from the NBA as far as what they projected the cap will be," Thomas said. "I'm aware of what the NBA has projected. They say that's a good-faith projection. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. I don't know. But everything relevant to the guys making the decisions whether they should extend their contracts now or not is going to be evaluated."

The strategy employed by the Big Three stands in contrast to Carmelo Anthony's approach. Facing the identical situation in 2006, Anthony opted for security over flexibility with a five-year extension. Anthony can opt out of his contract on June 30, 2011 -- the same date the current CBA expires. If a new CBA hasn't been ratified by that time, "'Melo would be opting out without knowing details of the new salary structure. His one-year window for negotiating an extension -- his would be for three years -- also opens this month. Doing so would allow Anthony to lock in future years under the current rules and cap structure -- which is exactly why the Nuggets might not share his enthusiasm. The vast majority of NBA front office executives believe the new CBA will be more favorable to the owners.

Whatever the Big Three do, it is clear that the projected reduction in the cap will be extremely costly. If the cap had continued to rise incrementally to about $60 million in 2010-11, the marquee free agents would've been looking at max contracts next summer totaling $104.4 million over five years or $129.6 million over six years if they re-signed with their current teams. That's a lot of cheddar.

But David Falk, the super agent whose book The Bald Truth, warns of pitfalls in the current NBA salary structure, said superstars like James, Wade and Bosh ultimately won't be hurt by the falling cap as much as the next level of players will be.

When the current CBA, which expires in 2011, was negotiated in 2005, Falk told NBA Players Association executive director Billy Hunter that two salary pools should be created within the cap: one for the max players, and one for the rest. Falk thought this would eliminate what he calls abuse of the mid-level exception while allowing the stars to get paid without hurting the middle-class players.

"If the cap goes down to $52 million and you have two max players, that's $32 million," Falk said. "That's 60 percent of the money. You only have $20 million for the other 11 guys. Those two guys should be in their own pool, and that's what I recommended to Billy in 2005. The stars are always going to get paid. Always. They're going to get paid first, because they're the foundation of the game. When the cap goes down, who it's going to hurt is the guys at the next level.

"If you make a movie and you put De Niro and Pacino in it," Falk said, "it doesn't matter who the third person is. That's where this thing is headed."

Indeed, several team executives said they are planning to carry fewer than the maximum 15 players next season in response to eroding revenues and cap space. One prominent Western Conference team already employed this strategy last season, carrying 12 players for the majority of the season and utilizing 10-day contracts for the 13th in an effort to save money.

"For players, the coaches, it was a definite luxury to have 15 players," an Eastern Conference GM said. "Everyone's going to have to adjust."

What adjustments will James, Wade and LeBron make? Decision time has arrived.

Which all of this should (hopefully) make our dust chip even more appealing!

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-13-2009, 10:04 AM

Thabeet had a whopping 9 points, 2 rebounds and 1 block in his first summer league game. Yikes.

sefant77 · 07-14-2009, 02:52 PM

http://www.csnne.com/wickedgoodsport...gambling-debt/

Career (may be incomplete) $99,287,540

Mavsfan4ever · 07-14-2009, 07:54 PM

Just read on ESPN.com that Boozer and the Jazz have agreed for him to be traded to another team. No teams were mentioned in the article though.

twistaeffect2004 · 07-14-2009, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavsfan4ever

Just read on ESPN.com that Boozer and the Jazz have agreed for him to be traded to another team. No teams were mentioned in the article though.

Link?

Mavsfan4ever · 07-14-2009, 11:22 PM

Here's the link.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4327927

MX425 · 07-15-2009, 09:01 AM

Just found this story.

Jefferson leaves bride at altarViews 3754 Comments 14 06:53 AM ET 07.15 Share Print It My T&R Former New Jersey Net star Richard Jefferson bailed on his stunning fiancee -- pulling the plug on his posh Manhattan wedding at the 11th hour without even alerting some of the guests, The Post has learned. The cold-footed forward's decision to ditch onetime Net dancer Kesha Ni'Cole Nichols was so last-minute that some of his oblivious friends had already shown up last Saturday at the swank Mandarin Oriental in Columbus Circle for the $2 million wedding that never happened. Jefferson -- who was traded in June to the San Antonio Spurs -- dumped Nichols just before the weekend, according to sources. She immediately called her family and friends to say the ceremony was off. But Jefferson waited much longer, his friends told The Post.

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/nba

Sounds like he is well on his way to being the same D-bag the rest of the Spurs are.

Mavsfan4ever · 07-15-2009, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by MX425

Just found this story.

Jefferson leaves bride at altarViews 3754 Comments 14 06:53 AM ET 07.15 Share Print It My T&R Former New Jersey Net star Richard Jefferson bailed on his stunning fiancee -- pulling the plug on his posh Manhattan wedding at the 11th hour without even alerting some of the guests, The Post has learned. The cold-footed forward's decision to ditch onetime Net dancer Kesha Ni'Cole Nichols was so last-minute that some of his oblivious friends had already shown up last Saturday at the swank Mandarin Oriental in Columbus Circle for the $2 million wedding that never happened. Jefferson -- who was traded in June to the San Antonio Spurs -- dumped Nichols just before the weekend, according to sources. She immediately called her family and friends to say the ceremony was off. But Jefferson waited much longer, his friends told The Post.

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/nba

Sounds like he is well on his way to being the same D-bag the rest of the Spurs are.

I heard about this. Jefferson is one sorry sack of crap.

MavsFanFinley · 07-15-2009, 10:31 AM

What's up with Jefferson? That was reported on spurstalk last week but not into the great detail this story says. Wow, what an ass.

spreedom · 07-15-2009, 11:38 AM

Seriously, you guys are calling him an "ass" and a "sack of crap" because he decided he didn't want to marry some chick? What should he have done, tried it out anyway and lost half of everything he's ever owned?

Sure, he maybe could have called the whole thing off earlier, but maybe his feelings changed.

DirkFTW · 07-15-2009, 12:54 PM

Or maybe he could have told people he called the whole thing off

MX425 · 07-15-2009, 01:05 PM

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Or maybe he could have told people he called the whole thing off

Thats what I'm saying. It's not breaking it off, it's not telling your friends you invited.

KeonV · 07-15-2009, 05:15 PM

Haha he did give his friends access to his credit card. Not bad if you ask me.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-16-2009, 04:54 AM

Wow, in his first two summer league games, Ty Lawson is pretty terrible. He is shooting a whopping .067 fg%. He actually is averaging 7.5 points based on getting to the FT line but has only made one fg. Getting to the ft line is about all he can do so far.

Dirkenstien · 07-16-2009, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Thabeet had a whopping 9 points, 2 rebounds and 1 block in his first summer league game. Yikes.

Second summer league game for Thabeet: 6 points, 6 rebounds, 1 block. The guy looks like he'll be more of a project than what people were anticipating.

Mavsfan4ever · 07-16-2009, 09:35 AM

I was just going over the Heats roster and if the rumor is true they are going after both Odom and Boozer wouldn't this make them really heavy at the PF position giving they already have Beasley?

Dtownsfinest · 07-16-2009, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by spreedom

Seriously, you guys are calling him an "ass" and a "sack of crap" because he decided he didn't want to marry some chick? What should he have done, tried it out anyway and lost half of everything he's ever owned?

Sure, he maybe could have called the whole thing off earlier, but maybe his feelings changed.

Yea IMO he came out on top. This looks a lot better than him marrying here and getting a divorce sometime down the road.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-16-2009, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirkenstien

Second summer league game for Thabeet: 6 points, 6 rebounds, 1 block. The guy looks like he'll be more of a project than what people were anticipating.

He still looks better than Ty Lawson lol.

Dtownsfinest · 07-16-2009, 11:15 AM

Just curious to what do you guys expect for these players to do in their first couple of summer league games? The reason I ask is because i'm not sure if they're suppose to dominant or have jitters even though it is summer league. It would seem like it would be the latter even if they aren't playing the best some of the league has to offer yet. For instance,

Kevin Durant was 5-17 from the field, 1 rebound, no assists in his debut summer league game.

jthig32 · 07-16-2009, 12:37 PM

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Just curious to what do you guys expect for these players to do in their first couple of summer league games? The reason I ask is because i'm not sure if they're suppose to dominant or have jitters even though it is summer league. It would seem like it would be the latter even if they aren't playing the best some of the league has to offer yet. For instance,

Kevin Durant was 5-17 from the field, 1 rebound, no assists in his debut summer league game.

Trying to glean anything from a Summer League box score is, in my opinion, complete folly. You have to actually see the game to have any idea what is going on.

Even then, things can be deceiving. It's an offensive guard's league. Big men are generally not going to put up numbers, and players that are generally dependent on contributing to a good team game are going to look worthless.

MX425 · 07-16-2009, 01:02 PM

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Trying to glean anything from a Summer League box score is, in my opinion, complete folly. You have to actually see the game to have any idea what is going on.

Even then, things can be deceiving. It's an offensive guard's league. Big men are generally not going to put up numbers, and players that are generally dependent on contributing to a good team game are going to look worthless.

Randolph dropped 42 points

jthig32 · 07-16-2009, 01:19 PM

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Randolph dropped 42 points

Ok?

grndmstr_c · 07-16-2009, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Trying to glean anything from a Summer League box score is, in my opinion, complete folly. You have to actually see the game to have any idea what is going on.

This should probably be stickied to the top of every summer league thread.

mavs777 · 07-16-2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MX425

Randolph dropped 42 points

guy has mad skills, we all know how idiotic Nellie is at playing rookies

WayOutWest · 07-16-2009, 10:39 PM

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Thats what I'm saying. It's not breaking it off, it's not telling your friends you invited.

He was interviewed on the radio today and he said most of the "juicy" stories are false. The wedding was not 2 million, he did not give his pals the black AMEX, and he did not wait until 2 hours before the wedding to call it off. He said they knew it was not going to happend for weeks and gave everyone plenty of notice. He was prodded a little and it sounded like both of them have cheated on each other since they started dating.

dirno2000 · 07-16-2009, 11:26 PM

One night after Randolph goes for 42 Morrow goes for 47 despite only shooting 4 FT's. I might have to go back and watch that one.

Speaking of Randolph I watched the first have of Golden State/Memphis the other day and he looks like a man among boys. The game is coming so easy to him right now. I think he's going to prove to be a steal at 14.

MavsFanFinley · 07-16-2009, 11:35 PM

Randolph finally got it. It's not just about skills but what you do with them and having the right attitude. He's been working like a mad man this off season and it's showing. This is one of the few times where Nellies tough love made a difference.

I absolutely love Morrows game too.