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yahyes · 05-02-2016, 10:16 PM

If the thunder beat san antonio in this series. I'll want our guards to stay trying one more shot at it next season. Maybe add Jamal Crawford or take the chance on Eric Gordon.

MavzMan · 05-02-2016, 11:47 PM

No way OKC beats SA in a series. They won game 2 with quite a bit of luck. The rest of SA besides LMA will step up now.

Melonhead · 05-03-2016, 12:07 AM

This feels like the Mavs/Thunder series, except the Thunder are in the Mavs spot..At least game 1 and 2 has played out almost identical. Loading up on Spurs game 3.

Underdog · 05-03-2016, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

This feels like the Mavs/Thunder series, except the Thunder are in the Mavs spot..At least game 1 and 2 has played out almost identical. Loading up on Spurs game 3.

Yup, look for a couple Spurs blowouts capped off by a strong OKC push that ends in futility.

sefant77 · 05-03-2016, 12:34 AM

Sign one of Hassan or Horford to a max contract
Sign Conley to a max contract
Bye Parsons
Bye Deron

Conley/Barea
Wes/Devin
Simba
Dirk
HorfordorHassan/Mejri

Underdog · 05-03-2016, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Sign one of Hassan or Horford to a max contract
Sign Conley to a max contract
Bye Parsons
Bye Deron

Conley/Barea
Wes/Devin
Simba
Dirk
HorfordorHassan/Mejri

Why would Conley and Horford/Whitehead want to join up with Dirk, Wes and Simba? I like Anderson, but none of these free agents feel the same way about him as Mavs fans do... They're gonna want a guy like Parsons, minimum.

MavzMan · 05-03-2016, 08:54 AM

Before you post on free agent signings, please ask yourself "Why would player X come to Dallas?"

Conley is NOT leaving Memphis.
Horford I would not be surprised if he stayed in Atlanta also since they can offer him max also and keep pretty much the same competitive team.
Whiteside will probably only leave if Miami doesn't offer him max which his max as a 5th year player is pretty reasonable ... so again unlikely he leaves.

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-03-2016, 09:07 AM

I still worry that just getting an upgrade at center whilst also keeping Parsons isn't going to really change the issues with the team. I discuss this ad nauseam because at some point you need to focus on what really ails the team versus just going for some pie in the sky players. Of course we need a center, but it can't be like last season where Zaza was run into the ground. A player like Dwight Howard and his injury history won't last the first 30 games if he is used the way Zaza was. One player cannot cover up the defensive and rebounding woes of Williams, Parsons, and Dirk. Especially the rebounding since Matthews isn't a good rebounder either. I think a commitment to playing Mejri and Powell will certainly help. And substituting Anderson in early is also an aid. But are those guys really going to be a serious part of the rotation? So much grey area with this squad yet again.

BigDog63 · 05-03-2016, 09:21 AM

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I still worry that just getting an upgrade at center whilst also keeping Parsons isn't going to really change the issues with the team. I discuss this ad nauseam because at some point you need to focus on what really ails the team versus just going for some pie in the sky players. Of course we need a center, but it can't be like last season where Zaza was run into the ground. A player like Dwight Howard and his injury history won't last the first 30 games if he is used the way Zaza was. One player cannot cover up the defensive and rebounding woes of Williams, Parsons, and Dirk. Especially the rebounding since Matthews isn't a good rebounder either. I think a commitment to playing Mejri and Powell will certainly help. And substituting Anderson in early is also an aid. But are those guys really going to be a serious part of the rotation? So much grey area with this squad yet again.

Which is why one need they need to fill is a backup PF/C who is a rebounding machine, and can play defense at the 4/5.

We've had success in this area, but let them go. DeJuan Blair comes to mind. Different position, but Aminu too. He was the Marion clone this team desperately needs.

As for not changing the issues with the team, that horse has left the barn. The MAIN issue with this team is they have done NOTHING in the draft, and have no young talent. Anderson not a bad start, but you can't get absolutely nothing out of over a decade of drafting and not expect it to leave your roster depleted. Which is why they have to go after older players with injury issues...because they fit their cap. Younger players with potential (like Conley) are going to be way too expensive.

sefant77 · 05-03-2016, 11:42 AM

Horford is pretty much in the LMA situation. Its forever Atlanta or something new.

Atlanta is pretty much a dead NBA city, no one cares in the RS and cares a little bit in the playoffs. They have a solid team but also nothing really special.

Skywalker · 05-03-2016, 11:52 AM

I think it's very unlikely we significantly improve our team via free agency this offseason. IF we do it, it's going to be via trade(s). Just don't ask me how.

purplefrog · 05-03-2016, 12:49 PM

RFA Festus Ezelli is intriguing. Warriors have to plan for Curry, Iquodala, Livingston, and Barnes. Green and Thompson are already making north of $15M. Would they pay Ezelli $15M? Problem is you tie up big money (for one or two weeks?) and I hate that idea.

Underdog · 05-03-2016, 01:39 PM

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RFA Festus Ezelli is intriguing. Warriors have to plan for Curry, Iquodala, Livingston, and Barnes. Green and Thompson are already making north of $15M. Would they pay Ezelli $15M? Problem is you tie up big money (for one or two weeks?) and I hate that idea.

Teams have 7 days to match an offer sheet.

But, yeah, I really like Ezelli as well -- probably one of the few RFAs I'd be interested in pursuing, if we went that direction...

Melonhead · 05-03-2016, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by purplefrog

RFA Festus Ezelli is intriguing. Warriors have to plan for Curry, Iquodala, Livingston, and Barnes. Green and Thompson are already making north of $15M. Would they pay Ezelli $15M? Problem is you tie up big money (for one or two weeks?) and I hate that idea.

Ezeli should definitely be pursued, because at the end of the day, I find it hard to believe the Mavs are landing Howard, Horford, Whiteside. And when Deron thinks his shit dont stink, Id take a hard look at Livingston if possible.

rimrocker · 05-03-2016, 02:56 PM

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Ezeli should definitely be pursued, because at the end of the day, I find it hard to believe the Mavs are landing Howard, Horford, Whiteside. And when Deron thinks his shit dont stink, Id take a hard look at Livingston if possible.

Wouldn't surprise me if Ezeli and Harrison Barnes follow Walton to the Lakers.

yahyes · 05-03-2016, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

Ezeli should definitely be pursued, because at the end of the day, I find it hard to believe the Mavs are landing Howard, Horford, Whiteside. And when Deron thinks his shit dont stink, Id take a hard look at Livingston if possible.

How long does bogut have left in playing? Because I can pretty much see kerr perhaps have him be the starter the way things are looking... For the future with curry and thompson.

MavzMan · 05-03-2016, 01:49 PM

I really think Anderson and Mejri can go a long way to improving our defense and rebounding. If we don't get Howard, then this team may not have a single guy that gets a large number of rebounds which just means we'll have to be team rebounding a lot. That is where those two and even Powell hopefully can contribute significantly.

sefant77 · 05-03-2016, 05:03 PM

Warriors are paying Ezeli and they are paying Barnes if they dont have another target (Durant). Cant see the owner not going deep into LT to ride this team for 4-5 years as one of THE contender.

In 2017 Curry gets his Super-Max but same time Bogut and Iggy are up with their 11 million contracts. Bogut is probably gone and Iggy at age 33 need to take a discount if he wants to stay.

Even if they are paying their entire S5 80-90 million a year, they are able to fill their bench with cheap ring chaser and rookies.

EricaLubarsky · 05-03-2016, 09:42 PM

Hortford is freaking awful and not what we need. We don't need a sub-par rebounder and defender at center. Our only chance is to grab an elite rebounder/shot blocker to help us be legitimate on defense and rebounding while Parsons and Dirk play together. Once Dirk retires and Parsons plays PF next to Anderson we'll be fine, but a frontcourt of Parsons/Dirk/Hortford could be the only lineup worse than Zaza

yahyes · 05-03-2016, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Hortford is freaking awful and not what we need. We don't need a sub-par rebounder and defender at center. Our only chance is to grab an elite rebounder/shot blocker to help us be legitimate on defense and rebounding while Parsons and Dirk play together. Once Dirk retires and Parsons plays PF next to Anderson we'll be fine, but a frontcourt of Parsons/Dirk/Hortford could be the only lineup worse than Zaza

Yeah right, you're discrediting his scoring abilities. That coach mike Budweiser tries too hard to play him like duncan. But he's not. The series he's in now is just as important in what system he can win in. He's a player Carlisle would play a lot and I won't mind it. Primarily because he can shoot/score.

EricaLubarsky · 05-03-2016, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by yahyes

Yeah right, you're discrediting his scoring abilities. That coach mike Budweiser tries too hard to play him like duncan. But he's not. The series he's in now is just as important in what system he can win in. He's a player Carlisle would play a lot and I won't mind it. Primarily because he can shoot/score.

...because our whole issue this year was not enough scoring from the center spot, not cripplingly awful rebounding and interior defense

So we go into the postseason and fix our defense and rebounding... By getting worse at both for a center who can shoot jumpers. Makes sense. I am confused as to why a guy who was so limited offensively in Mejri netted us a cumulative +/- of over 60 in the series of we really just needed scoring.

yahyes · 05-03-2016, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

...because our whole issue this year was not enough scoring from the center spot, not cripplingly awful rebounding and interior defense

So we go into the postseason and fix our defense and rebounding... By getting worse at both for a center who can shoot jumpers. Makes sense. I am confused as to why a guy who was so limited offensively in Mejri netted us a cumulative +/- of over 60 in the series of we really just needed scoring.

The issue was not having another scoring option mainly. Plus rebounding settled the series against oklahoma basically. I mean felton, a sore back JJ, and half injured Deron helped shut down westbrook. That game 2 mostly. There was competition. I think Al would help take a lot of pressure off of Parsons and Deron into being main offensive guys. Which can spread the ball offensively like crazy if this season starters plugs him in. Especially if he can spread the ball around like Dirk. No other center is close to doing that. His rebounding is fair. Still can grab offensive boards good.

EricaLubarsky · 05-04-2016, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by yahyes

The issue was not having another scoring option mainly. Plus rebounding settled the series against oklahoma basically. I mean felton, a sore back JJ, and half injured Deron helped shut down westbrook. That game 2 mostly. There was competition. I think Al would help take a lot of pressure off of Parsons and Deron into being main offensive guys. Which can spread the ball offensively like crazy if this season starters plugs him in. Especially if he can spread the ball around like Dirk. No other center is close to doing that. His rebounding is fair. Still can grab offensive boards good.

Our problem was not having enough scorers? We struggled all season with Williams/Matthews/Parsons/Dirk/Zaza. That roster should have no excuses offensively. The reason we barely made the playoffs is because of defense and rebounding. The reason we won a game against the Thunder was defense.

Also, Hortford is also not a fair rebounder. He's an awful rebounder by every metric.

rebound ranking
Drummond 24.5 (best in the league)
Whiteside 13.1 (second best center)
Zaza 19.7 (11th)
Hortford 12.4 (54th best center in rebounding, and also 54th in the league among centers in O rebounds)

Stats don't lie-- Hortford is one of the worst rebounding centers in the league (both defensive and offensive) and Dirk/Parsons are never going to be part of a great rebounding squad unless they are accompanied by an elite rebounding center.

yahyes · 05-03-2016, 10:44 PM

I really don't see ezeli being the X factor to get Dallas to competiting for real. He also isn't as good for the big contract. Though I'd resort to byombo starting then for that kind of contract. Especially the more you see the Warriors win. Ezeli one of kerr's players. I don't think Donnie should spend his time first looking at the Warriors free agents.

quietsavant · 05-04-2016, 03:24 AM

I would personally love to see the mavs go after Joakim Noah at the 5 and maybe not spend max money as they would have to for horford or howard. He's been hampered by injuries but it can be argued that that should leverage the contract $$ in the mavs' FO favor.

This much I know about Noah.. when healthy he's very engaged, vocal and fiery on the court.. the likes of which we haven't had at the 5 spot since Tyson.

he's a solid rebounder and shot blocker and damn good passer from the post. This season of course being the anomaly partly because of injuries and losing rebounds and mins to Pau gasol and Nikola.

But for the dollars the others will command, a healthy Noah will get more bang for the buck, IMO.

MavzMan · 05-04-2016, 09:49 AM

The playoff games I've watched of Horford, the less I want him. He really doesn't fit this team's needs.

To change topic slightly, what is everyone's thought on Austin Rivers? Try to exclude his father in the discussion. But he stepped up huge in their final game even though it was a loss. He had 11 stitches and looked like he had gone 3 rounds with Mike Tyson. I'm thinking I would prefer him over Clarkson at this point.

Underdog · 05-04-2016, 10:03 AM

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To change topic slightly, what is everyone's thought on Austin Rivers? Try to exclude his father in the discussion. But he stepped up huge in their final game even though it was a loss. He had 11 stitches and looked like he had gone 3 rounds with Mike Tyson. I'm thinking I would prefer him over Clarkson at this point.

I'd only be interested in Austin Rivers if he went all Game of Thrones on his daddy first -- call it payback for the DeAndre Jordan fiasco... Otherwise I don't trust the offspring of that snake oil salesman to be anything other than a ticking time bomb, biding his time until he can bring down the Mavs from the inside.

Nah, there's no removing Doc from the conversation -- that whole family can eat a bag of dicks.

yahyes · 05-04-2016, 10:41 AM

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I'd only be interested in Austin Rivers if he went all Game of Thrones on his daddy first -- call it payback for the DeAndre Jordan fiasco... Otherwise I don't trust the offspring of that snake oil salesman to be anything other than a ticking time bomb, biding his time until he can bring down the Mavs from the inside.

Nah, there's no removing Doc from the conversation -- that whole family can eat a bag of dicks.

It's a joke. I hope.

yahyes · 05-04-2016, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by MavzMan

The playoff games I've watched of Horford, the less I want him. He really doesn't fit this team's needs.

To change topic slightly, what is everyone's thought on Austin Rivers? Try to exclude his father in the discussion. But he stepped up huge in their final game even though it was a loss. He had 11 stitches and looked like he had gone 3 rounds with Mike Tyson. I'm thinking I would prefer him over Clarkson at this point.

You change the topic with adding the spare doc rivers son suggestion? That would definitely be a waste of a contract to offer.

escobar317 · 05-05-2016, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MavzMan

The playoff games I've watched of Horford, the less I want him. He really doesn't fit this team's needs.

To change topic slightly, what is everyone's thought on Austin Rivers? Try to exclude his father in the discussion. But he stepped up huge in their final game even though it was a loss. He had 11 stitches and looked like he had gone 3 rounds with Mike Tyson. I'm thinking I would prefer him over Clarkson at this point.

I like Austin Rivers, he's cheap and he has heart.

He also made a heart wrenching comment about how he's not close with his dad emotionally, it's just basketball.

yahyes · 05-05-2016, 09:59 PM

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I like Austin Rivers, he's cheap and he has heart.

He also made a heart wrenching comment about how he's not close with his dad emotionally, it's just basketball.

Nah, I would stay away from the rivers. Though, I could one up it with preferring to give Seth Curry a chance here instead.

DirkFTW · 05-04-2016, 05:23 PM

So... there's this...

http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dall...zekiel-elliott

Time to get his jersey on?

Underdog · 05-04-2016, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DirkFTW

So... there's this...

http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dall...zekiel-elliott

Time to get his jersey on?

Oh, thank god -- I wasn't sure what to think about Zeke until LeBron told me... I'll sleep well tonight.

yahyes · 05-04-2016, 08:17 PM

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So... there's this...

http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dall...zekiel-elliott

Time to get his jersey on?

Different sport.

DirkFTW · 05-04-2016, 10:16 PM

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Different sport.

Really? I know it seems unlikely he'd leave Cleveland, but that doesn't make it a different sport.

"Come on Lebron, put your Mavericks jersey on
Then it's time to get it on, you gotta come to Dallas
...
Home of Jerry Jones, and your favorite cow-cows
With Dirk and [inaudible], BronBron you can win right now now
..."

Besides, this is the year for super-old, super-rich, super-white outsiders who are notorious for semi-coherently speaking whatever is on their mind to barnstorm Cleveland and steal something precious from its prior owners.

Jerry 2016
Make the Mavericks Great Again!

Underdog · 05-04-2016, 10:53 PM

Speaking of Horford; he's 0-10 against LeBron James in the playoffs...

EricaLubarsky · 05-04-2016, 11:06 PM

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Speaking of Horford; he's 0-10 against LeBron James in the playoffs...

With Hortford we may not make the playoffs, so that stat really means nothing for Hortford in Dallas.

yahyes · 05-05-2016, 12:14 AM

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Speaking of Horford; he's 0-10 against LeBron James in the playoffs...

Even better way to to convince him Carlisle is a better coach than mike budhenhowser...

mac222b · 05-05-2016, 01:03 AM

Horford is still a damn good player but his rebounding has dipped and he doesn't quite fit.

What if we did the following: signed Howard, re-signed Dirk(at a discount), re-signed Parsons. Trade Powell, Harris and 2018 1st for Teague and 2016 Hawks 2016 2nd. Teague is a really good defensive PG. Sign a decent backup rebounding PF with whatever exception we have.

Howard/Mejri/McGee
Dirk/Cp\David Lee
Cp/JA/vet 3&D
Wes/JA/shooter
Teague/JJB/random pg

Can that team compete? Even presuming good health for dwight and chandler and meijiri and JA growth Probably still a piece or two away.

Howard, Teague, Wes plus defenders in starting lineup.
Anderson guards multiple spots well off the bench. Meiri for rim protect.

rimrocker · 05-05-2016, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

Horford is still a damn good player but his rebounding has dipped and he doesn't quite fit.

What if we did the following: signed Howard, re-signed Dirk(at a discount), re-signed Parsons. Trade Powell, Harris and 2018 1st for Teague and 2016 Hawks 2016 2nd. Teague is a really good defensive PG. Sign a decent backup rebounding PF with whatever exception we have.

Howard/Mejri/McGee
Dirk/Cp\David Lee
Cp/JA/vet 3&D
Wes/JA/shooter
Teague/JJB/random pg

Can that team compete? Even presuming good health for dwight and chandler and meijiri and JA growth Probably still a piece or two away.

Howard, Teague, Wes plus defenders in starting lineup.
Anderson guards multiple spots well off the bench. Meiri for rim protect.

Something like that could actually have a chance. Probably not enough to get Teague but I can see the FO trading our draft pick to upgrade one last time. I wouldn't want to see them trade multiple picks for anyone though.

If we sign Howard I'd be okay with trading our 2017 draft pick for a starter quality player in or around his prime because when Dirk hangs it up we'll be in complete rebuild mode and draft picks will have more value and use toward rebuilding. Right now draft picks are probably better suited to acquire players to enhance our core.....just need to make the right moves with them.