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Old 11-17-2011, 02:16 PM   #2841
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I've really enjoyed it, myself, because they've made Darrel a much more interesting character.

And I enjoy the pace. I like the the focus on existing as a society, rather than the focus on zombie hoards. I do wish they'd delve a little more into the back story of other characters.
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I've really enjoyed it, myself, because they've made Darrel a much more interesting character.

And I enjoy the pace. I like the the focus on existing as a society, rather than the focus on zombie hoards. I do wish they'd delve a little more into the back story of other characters.
Its turning into Lost with all of the flashbacks. Pretty soon those will be half the episode, and I'll be okay with it.
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Agree - they've turned darrell into a great character. I'm still satisified with the show overall - just saying the missing girl plotline spanning like 5 episodes is pretty boring.

The graphic novel is set the same way - focuses more on the post-apocalyptic stuff than the zombies (and I like that). So I knew what to expect going in. It's just focusing on one plot line so long is tedious.
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Outside of 1-2 episodes, Sunny has been great. The Jersey Shore ep was one of the funniest of all time. The Social Networking episode was great. The only weak episode has been the one with Frank's brother.

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I've really enjoyed it, myself, because they've made Darrel a much more interesting character.

And I enjoy the pace. I like the the focus on existing as a society, rather than the focus on zombie hoards. I do wish they'd delve a little more into the back story of other characters.
Daryl is literally the only interesting character the show has going for it. Norman Reedus is carrying dead weight. Honestly, the rest of the characters are just so goddamn cardboard and 2-D.
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Old 11-18-2011, 10:42 AM   #2847
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I'm assuming you're all too mature to be watching the new season of Beavis and Butthead, but it's been hilarious.
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Old 11-18-2011, 12:56 PM   #2848
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I tried to watch Beavis and Butthead. If only just recapture the days of my adolescence for a moment... couldn't do it. I am not 12 any more. I am damned near 30.
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I'm years late to the party, but just finished season 1 of Breaking Bad. Wow.
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Keep going. "You ain't seen nothing yet."

Welcome to the party.


So...I started Game of Thrones. Not sure on that yet. Through 4 episodes I don't really care about any of the characters. I feel like I've been dropped in the middle of a story halfway through. A bit confusing. I'm assuming it gets better.
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I'm totally down with Breaking Bad...just in the past month I crammed in all 4 seasons.

But this talk of it being the greatest show ever?? Meh. Its great...truly great(!), but its too small a show in my opinion to edge other, bigger, more ambitious shows like Battlestar, LOST, West Wing, The Wire, etc.

I love it, but tap them breaks on it being the greatest show of all time.
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So...I started Game of Thrones. Not sure on that yet. Through 4 episodes I don't really care about any of the characters. I feel like I've been dropped in the middle of a story halfway through. A bit confusing. I'm assuming it gets better.
personally, I view that as a feature not a flaw of the Game of Thrones... its like the wire, it doesn't baby or spoon feed you.
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I never really liked it to begin with.
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You'd have to check it with Murphy3. It should definitely be a few pounds more or less than him. Because that guy is guy is definitely a good gauge...but not the kind of gauge, if you know what I mean...I mean, unless you think wolfing down a hundred hot dogs before they even see it is cool...he's an idiot.
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Personally, I LOVE The Walking Dead and I LOVED the mini finale before it starts back in February. The end was gut wrenching to me - made the 6 episodes or so leading up to it well worth it in my book.
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Personally, I LOVE The Walking Dead and I LOVED the mini finale before it starts back in February. The end was gut wrenching to me - made the 6 episodes or so leading up to it well worth it in my book.
I can definitely see why some people have issue with it. And I'm not a huge fan of how quickly they've turned Shane into something so extreme. And I'm annoyed that we haven't been shown more about the back stories of these characters during this calm time.

But overall I agree with you, I've really enjoyed this season of TWD, and last night's ending was pretty freaking awesome.
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I can definitely see why some people have issue with it. And I'm not a huge fan of how quickly they've turned Shane into something so extreme. And I'm annoyed that we haven't been shown more about the back stories of these characters during this calm time.

But overall I agree with you, I've really enjoyed this season of TWD, and last night's ending was pretty freaking awesome.
Literally - no issue at ALL with the search. I mean, think about it. Not all major issues like this are resolved in a single day. Some shows (House for example, a show I love - more loveD) have a conflict and a resolution that literally spans a calendar day in most cases. Think about it though. If this little girl was in the woods, was spotted by a walker, ran like crazy, got lost, hid and eventually got bit, she could be ANYWHERE and them finding her the same day she was lost would be, in many ways, ridiculous.

Also, in that situation, you would keep looking well past when you would think it wise to stop. Calling off a search as a rescue unit while not knowing the child is one thing - calling off a search for what has become close to family is another. To me, it was completely believable. It might be considered boring to some - that's up to you - but it is completely believable (minus walking zombies of course). The only slightly unbelievable part (again, minus the premise of the show entirely) is the fact that the girl was somehow caught by the farm owners despite several people making it to the farm fairly recently after she was lost. Not a big deal to me because it likely happened pretty quick before the entire group got there and the mom/dad/child were all inside the house.

As far as Shane was concerned, I think if you do what he did to survive by shooting big boy in the leg and then have to battle internally with those demons along with having to deal with real demons - well, it isn't hard to see from my perspective how that could be a slippery slope with a fast fall. Loved the way he handled the end personally - it needed to be done and he had enough. I do take issue with the speech by the stump once he revealed he knew about the baby - poor writing there if you ask me - but overall I like the change and I think it is believable IF you accept his decision with big boy as believable. Frankly, I do. I would like to think that I would never do such a thing, but after X months of narrowly missing my face being eaten off by dead creatures, man, it WAS a way to KNOW you survive and the boy you care for survives. Definitely a Darwin world at this point.

Finally, I don't think this show has to perform a Lost clone to make me happy. I know it worked and worked well and I know they did some back stories. That said, if they don't do another back story 1 I won't be mad. What they are doing is working fabulously to me. Just love the show.
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I don't need a Lost clone, but I would like them to make me care about more of the characters. Someone could shoot TDog and Shannon's mom in the head and I wouldn't care a wit, because I don't know anything about them. If not a back story then do SOMETHING to make their characters real instead of place holders.

As for Shane, I totally bought the taking down of Otis. What I don't buy is his relationship with Rick. I'm sorry, but this is his life long best friend. I didn't buy him drawing down on his back with the shot gun in season one, I don't buy him continuing to try to pry Lori away from him now. I get that he doesn't believe in how he's leading the group, but it's not like Shane and Rick have never gone through crisis. They should be working together better than this.

Overall I'm quite happy with the show, but there are areas of improvement, in my book. But that's true of just about any show.
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Oh I totally agree that the scenario, even Shane going nutty, was believable. Heck, you almost sort of empathized with him at the of the mid season finale. I just didn't really like that the searching for the girl spanned over half the season and didn't really interest me. The subplots during the search weren't very intriguing, either. I don't want zombie hordes every episode, but it was pretty slow.

It did get better towards the end there.
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I don't need a Lost clone, but I would like them to make me care about more of the characters. Someone could shoot TDog and Shannon's mom in the head and I wouldn't care a wit, because I don't know anything about them. If not a back story then do SOMETHING to make their characters real instead of place holders.

As for Shane, I totally bought the taking down of Otis. What I don't buy is his relationship with Rick. I'm sorry, but this is his life long best friend. I didn't buy him drawing down on his back with the shot gun in season one, I don't buy him continuing to try to pry Lori away from him now. I get that he doesn't believe in how he's leading the group, but it's not like Shane and Rick have never gone through crisis. They should be working together better than this.

Overall I'm quite happy with the show, but there are areas of improvement, in my book. But that's true of just about any show.
Yeah, I don't personally see the problem with his actions. He obviously has an aggressive personality and the thing being lost here is that THERE ARE ZOMBIES THAT HAVE TAKEN OVER THE WORLD. Who the hell cares if he is best friends - shit changes when THERE ARE ZOMBIES THAT HAVE TAKEN OVER THE WORLD.

This isn't 'Friends' with Rachel acting strange toward Monica here. This is a guy that is dealing with ZOMBIES THAT HAVE TAKEN OVER THE WORLD and the particular shotgun scene was just after he had fallen in love with a woman and her child and considered them his after assuming his best friend had died. Put yourself in his shoes and consider that you love her and the kid more than him - considering his personality (which I grant you wasn't showing nearly as much as now) and his mental state given that ZOMBIES HAVE TAKEN OVER THE WORLD. Is it that strange for him to consider the fact that if he shoots him, he gets the girl/son? Given the aspect that you say you understand (him shooting Otis) it shouldn't be hard to see that he puts his needs above others - even if it requires the other person to die.

As far as him continuing to go for who he considers his woman (who is now pregnant - likely with his child) - it is fairly obvious to me. He is in love and he cares for her and the child more than he does for Rick. If you can associate his love for them over Rick, seeing the connection is fairly simple. It is especially hard for him because of how she handled it - completely cutting him off and being very, very cold (as you would hope she would if you are Rick, but just saying).

For the record, comparing the two of them as having dealt with crisis before to ZOMBIES THAT HAVE TAKEN OVER THE WORLD is very, very silly. No, they have NEVER gone through anything even remotely close to this. What they experienced in the past (even if they were in shootouts on the mean streets of Compton) is merely the frost that is coming off of the tip of the iceberg of what they deal with now.

Regardless, the show is awesome and I can't wait for it to return. That much I am sure we can both agree on.
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Oh I totally agree that the scenario, even Shane going nutty, was believable. Heck, you almost sort of empathized with him at the of the mid season finale. I just didn't really like that the searching for the girl spanned over half the season and didn't really interest me. The subplots during the search weren't very intriguing, either. I don't want zombie hordes every episode, but it was pretty slow.

It did get better towards the end there.
I just think it was perfect personally - again, very, very believable given how I would imagine the process unfolding. To me, the emotion that came from the final scene is not nearly as powerful if they don't have a great deal of time and effort invested in trying to find her (getting close, finding her doll, flower, etc).
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Yeah, I don't personally see the problem with his actions. He obviously has an aggressive personality and the thing being lost here is that THERE ARE ZOMBIES THAT HAVE TAKEN OVER THE WORLD. Who the hell cares if he is best friends - shit changes when THERE ARE ZOMBIES THAT HAVE TAKEN OVER THE WORLD.

This isn't 'Friends' with Rachel acting strange toward Monica here. This is a guy that is dealing with ZOMBIES THAT HAVE TAKEN OVER THE WORLD and the particular shotgun scene was just after he had fallen in love with a woman and her child and considered them his after assuming his best friend had died. Put yourself in his shoes and consider that you love her and the kid more than him - considering his personality (which I grant you wasn't showing nearly as much as now) and his mental state given that ZOMBIES HAVE TAKEN OVER THE WORLD. Is it that strange for him to consider the fact that if he shoots him, he gets the girl/son? Given the aspect that you say you understand (him shooting Otis) it shouldn't be hard to see that he puts his needs above others - even if it requires the other person to die.

As far as him continuing to go for who he considers his woman (who is now pregnant - likely with his child) - it is fairly obvious to me. He is in love and he cares for her and the child more than he does for Rick. If you can associate his love for them over Rick, seeing the connection is fairly simple. It is especially hard for him because of how she handled it - completely cutting him off and being very, very cold (as you would hope she would if you are Rick, but just saying).

For the record, comparing the two of them as having dealt with crisis before to ZOMBIES THAT HAVE TAKEN OVER THE WORLD is very, very silly. No, they have NEVER gone through anything even remotely close to this. What they experienced in the past (even if they were in shootouts on the mean streets of Compton) is merely the frost that is coming off of the tip of the iceberg of what they deal with now.

Regardless, the show is awesome and I can't wait for it to return. That much I am sure we can both agree on.
For me, the stuff with Shane and Rick and Lori will be more believable if they reveal that it was going on before Rick "died". I just don't buy that a guy like Shane, who's all about himself, would have cared for a guy like Rick enough to take on the responsibility of his wife and son during a zombie attack out of sheer love for his friend. And if he DID do it for that reason, I don't buy that after, what, a month, that he's so madly in love with her that would rather KILL his life long friend than lose her. Doesn't compute. Either he's all about himself, meaning he never would have taken them to begin with, or he's a true friend, meaning he would have never considered KILLING his friend.

I get that things change when the world is in a crisis like that, but that one aspect of Shane I find very hard to move past.
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It's clear to me that Shane has always been vindictive. Rick's wife has every right to cut him off cold for lying to her about the circumstances around Rick's hospital condition. He was presumptious in the attempt to get closer to Rick's wife. I see a lot of envy for Rick in Shane. That has been going on since Rick started a family, imo. I need to read the novels, but I believe the writers have taken great liberty in translating this to screen.

I think the show is outstanding... It's got that "Kalifornia" texture with a little 7even as well. The scene with Rick and his wife when she spills the beans was fantastic. Putting Rick in the shot with the open field covering most of the screen was very appropriate. Lot's of interpretation from that...

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For me, the stuff with Shane and Rick and Lori will be more believable if they reveal that it was going on before Rick "died". I just don't buy that a guy like Shane, who's all about himself, would have cared for a guy like Rick enough to take on the responsibility of his wife and son during a zombie attack out of sheer love for his friend. And if he DID do it for that reason, I don't buy that after, what, a month, that he's so madly in love with her that would rather KILL his life long friend than lose her. Doesn't compute. Either he's all about himself, meaning he never would have taken them to begin with, or he's a true friend, meaning he would have never considered KILLING his friend.

I get that things change when the world is in a crisis like that, but that one aspect of Shane I find very hard to move past.
What if he wasn't all that great of a person and what if he wasn't all that great of a friend? Do many of his decisions disagree with that possibility? Just because he was a long time friend doesn't mean he was an amazing friend. Don't assume they go hand in hand. More often than not they don't.

Also, what if he always secretely coveted everything Rick had (family, beautiful wife, better job)? Simply put, what if he always wanted to bang his friend's girl? Also not out of the question given his personality and actions up to this point in the series.

If those two things are true (neither being a stretch at all) and his friend dies, hell, it isn't "doing them a favor" - it is taking advantage of a situation. That is how I think it went down.

Don't get me wrong here either - when I say he loves her and the kid, I don't mean in 'THE NOTEBOOK' way, I mean in a way like a kid loves a toy and you take it away. He is jealous and mad. He is thinking MINE - GIVE ME!!! He is a selfish person and he is an asshole.

Your stance seems to be that he was a good guy before and isn't now and you don't understand how or why he changed so fast. My stance is that he was never a good guy and the situation just intensified his bad traits and overall personality. Stick an asshole in a stressful situation and you get an even bigger asshole.

That all being said, I do think he cares for both of them but I think that grew from lust. Hell, to be honest, I should have said as much in my last post - he is in lust with her more than in love with her. Even selfish assholes grow attached. I think the kid will change some of that (which again is almost definitely his), but still.
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It's clear to me that Shane has always been vindictive. Rick's wife has every right to cut him off cold for lying to her about the circumstances around Rick's hospital condition. He was presumptious in the attempt to get closer to Rick's wife. I see a lot of envy for Rick in Shane. That has been going on since Rick started a family, imo. I need to read the novels, but I believe the writers have taken great liberty in translating this to screen.

I think the show is outstanding... It's got that "Kalifornia" texture with a little 7even as well. The scene with Rick and his wife when she spills the beans was fantastic. Putting Rick in the shot with the open field covering most of the screen was very appropriate. Lot's of interpretation from that...
This. I literally typed my entire post without reading your post. Sorry now that it sounds so much like copycat material. We are right in line with our thinking though.
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What if he wasn't all that great of a person and what if he wasn't all that great of a friend? Do many of his decisions disagree with that possibility? Just because he was a long time friend doesn't mean he was an amazing friend. Don't assume they go hand in hand. More often than not they don't.

Also, what if he always secretely coveted everything Rick had (family, beautiful wife, better job)? Simply put, what if he always wanted to bang his friend's girl? Also not out of the question given his personality and actions up to this point in the series.

If those two things are true (neither being a stretch at all) and his friend dies, hell, it isn't "doing them a favor" - it is taking advantage of a situation. That is how I think it went down.

Don't get me wrong here either - when I say he loves her and the kid, I don't mean in 'THE NOTEBOOK' way, I mean in a way like a kid loves a toy and you take it away. He is jealous and mad. He is thinking MINE - GIVE ME!!! He is a selfish person and he is an asshole.

Your stance seems to be that he was a good guy before and isn't now and you don't understand how or why he changed so fast. My stance is that he was never a good guy and the situation just intensified his bad traits and overall personality. Stick an asshole in a stressful situation and you get an even bigger asshole.

That all being said, I do think he cares for both of them but I think that grew from lust. Hell, to be honest, I should have said as much in my last post - he is in lust with her more than in love with her. Even selfish assholes grow attached. I think the kid will change some of that (which again is almost definitely his), but still.
That's fair, I suppose. Based on my own experience with relationships, I question whether someone like Rick would have remained friends with someone like that for so long. Someone like that is going to show their colors every once in a while. But maybe I'm wrong on that.
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That's fair, I suppose. Based on my own experience with relationships, I question whether someone like Rick would have remained friends with someone like that for so long. Someone like that is going to show their colors every once in a while. But maybe I'm wrong on that.
Yeah, life experience does make you want to believe that his true colors would have shown, but some people hide things really well. He seems to be very, very good at being bad. Plus Rick seems to be very, very good at being good. Maybe he is just really loyal to his friends too, even if they give him reason not to be - or maybe he is obtuse.

Talking about this reminded me of another very small issue I have with the show. That is just how much the old man knows without any real investigation. Two people walk up and boom, he knows they had sex. A guy comes back after zombies kill his accomplice on a trip to get medical supplies and boom, he knows there was foul play.

No questions that lead to that, just a quick odd look and boom, he has it figured out. Make the guy do a little work please.
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Am I the only nerd here that's read the walking dead books?

The finale was good, I was personally glad they never found Sophia. Would have been too unrealistic for a kid to survive in the woods with zombies for days.
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So speaking of Sophia, was anyone else curious as to how she was turned and not eaten? It seems pretty unlikely that a zombie would have gotten its hands on her enough to bite her and then allow her to slip away.

There's a theory out there that everyone still alive has been infected enough that even if they die naturally, they turn into a zombie. And maybe it was something to that effect that the CDC guy whispered to Rick.

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So speaking of Sophia, was anyone else curious as to how she was turned and not eaten? It seems pretty unlikely that a zombie would have gotten its hands on her enough to bite her and then allow her to slip away.

There's a theory out there that everyone still alive has been infected enough that even if they die naturally, they turn into a zombie. And maybe it was something to that effect that the CDC guy whispered to Rick.

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If everyone were infected it would be the same as being bit. Once its in the blood stream there is nothing to stop it. Every time I see Indiana Jones kid bash a zombie with a machete I wait for the blood spatter to land in his open mouth. But there is never any splatter. Even Dexter wouldn't be able to solve the mysteries of how those zombies died.

Possible for a zombie to bite her then fall down a cliff? Not sure on the infection time/zombie time or if zombies eat the unturned dead unconscious. It takes a few hours to turn so I guess she got a little lucky to remain intact.
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This theory is correct.

Sophia could have possibly drowned in the river? Or got bit on the hand and managed to run away? Your guess is as good as mine when it comes to that.

I'm going to post a spoiler below so if you don't want to read it, stop reading.

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In the book, Shane is shot and killed by Carl before they leave Atlanta and never makes it to the farm. Rick buries him. Later on, Rick finds out that even when you die naturally you turn into a zombie. So he drives back to Atlanta and digs Shane up, only to find that he did in fact turn into a zombie after they buried him. So Rick finishes him off so he can R.I.P.
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The finale was good, I was personally glad they never found Sophia. Would have been too unrealistic for a kid to survive in the woods with zombies for days.

[comic book spoiler, but not the TV show]


90 issues in, and Sophia is one of the few remaining characters from the original group - THAT'S why I liked the TV show's resolution better (in the comic book, she just randomly shows up at the farm alive & well). I think the TV version of her was basically a composite of all the children who died early in the comic.
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Yep - I've read the books as well.

Thig, some spoilers, but it applies directly to your theory.


I don't know how much of a "theory" that is, because that's exactly the way it happens in the comics. Anyone who dies beomes a zombie. However, we have seen dead people just sitting in cars on the highway, so I'm not sure how that works with that theory in the TV world. Looks like they may be going a different direction with the TV show. But who knows.



As for Sophia, it's feasible that she could have been attacked, gotten bit, wriggled free and gotten away. Only to turn later.
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...not gonna lie, I feel a little gypped by that ending, but the irony in that final episode after Walt let Jane die just to prove a point was just spectacular storytelling. It's amazing how much Walt is breaking bad.
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That makes my shoulders slump. Can't anyone write much of anything original for tv or movies?
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That makes my shoulders slump. Can't anyone write much of anything original for tv or movies?
There have been quite a few deviations from the comic so far, though, so it's not following it to the letter.



Most notably - SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER

As mentioned above, Shane is killed by Carl very early in the comic series.
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