The"Crap, it didn't happen..but it was awesome to think of" thread

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by greensborohill

I'm not getting my hopes up. Nobody ever says "I want more money" . Saying they want to play for a contender is something the always say. 70-30 in favor of Nets still sounds right. Being one of two choices is a VERY good place to be though.

That may be true, but reports have pretty much unanimously said that the money isn't the difference maker. I guess we'll find out next weekend, but he's been pretty consistent on that. Taxes, price of housing, and possible endorsements make the numbers closer than they appear.

This week will be wild.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by mavs777

Nash basically said that a couple days ago. And at same time people don't say money doesn't really make a difference if it actually does.

By all accounts, Nash is looking for a big payday because of his recent divorce.

[oilfieldtrash]

Either way I'm not going to freak out if we do or don't get Deron. I think we have one of the best front offices in basketball. I have no doubt Dallas will be in the hunt and Brooklyn will still be a lottery team regardless of where DWill ends up. Now it's up to Deron to decide which he wants to be a part of.

[Jon]

Originally Posted by jthig32

By all accounts, Nash is looking for a big payday because of his recent divorce.

whose accounts?

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by jthig32

By all accounts, Nash is looking for a big payday because of his recent divorce.

His wife gives birth to someone else's kid and she still gets half? What a country...

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by Underdog

His wife gives birth to someone else's kid and she still gets half? What a country...

That was debunked.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by jthig32

That was debunked.

Was it? I guess the debunkment wasn't as popular as the rumor... I never heard that.

[mavs777]

Yeah I see Nash ending up in Toronto, that would be a really good fit and easily a playoff team in the east. Imagine if they add Iggy for their pick and calderon would be a really good team.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by mavs777

Yeah I see Nash ending up in Toronto, that would be a really good fit and easily a playoff team in the east. Imagine if they add Iggy for their pick and calderon would be a really good team.

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Toronto's going to be good, all they need is 1 good perimeter player.

[KillerLeft]

Originally Posted by mavs777

Toronto's going to be good, all they need is 1 good perimeter player.

I don't know that I see that as a given, but Nash with Bargnani would be a pretty potent combo, that's for sure.

[mavs777]

Valanciunas is going to be Tyson Chandler like, he also really improved his post game overseas, Bargnani can score, and Casey will really get them to defend, Derozan will be decent when he's asked to not be number 1 option. Also if they get Iggy/Gay or keep the 8th pick that is another good piece.

[Underdog]

Except that Nash and Calderon are pretty much the same player, so adding him doesn't really improve Toronto's primary weaknesses...

[mavs777]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Except that Nash and Calderon are pretty much the same player, so adding him doesn't really improve Toronto's primary weaknesses...

Yeah Valanciunas is the one that improves their primary weakness, and Calderon and Nash are similar in styles but Nash is better across the board, Gortat led the league in scoring off of pick n rolls, I wonder why?

[BGMaverick9]

When it comes to Deron and Brooklyn, the only I way I see him legitimately seeing that team as a real threat to win is total confidence in himself to make his teammates better and the dangling idea that the team could get Dwight Howard. Nothing in the team's history over the last 5-10 years suggests they're on the right path or have a clearly defined one. So those are the only two things that make sense on if that's his true reasoning.

It's either that or money.

[oilfieldtrash]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

When it comes to Deron and Brooklyn, the only I way I see him legitimately seeing that team as a real threat to win is total confidence in himself to make his teammates better and the dangling idea that the team could get Dwight Howard. Nothing in the team's history over the last 5-10 years suggests they're on the right path or have a clearly defined one. So those are the only two things that make sense on if that's his true reasoning.

It's either that or money.

If winning is truly the number one priority than it's a no brainer. Brooklyn is basketball wasteland.
Avery is an overbearing coach and wears guys down. Not really sold on his ability to draw up plays or develop young players.
Billy King might be the worst GM in the NBA. And that's not just an exaggeration.
Proko while he seems like a committed owner lives in another country and let's face it Mark Cuban is the best owner in all of sports.

[howdoesmydirktaste]

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/3557...ands-trade.htm


Howard is demanding a trade again. I always take articles like this with a grain of salt. I'm not too familiar with NJ trade assets, but I thought they didn't have any.

[Budapest Maverick]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Except that Nash and Calderon are pretty much the same player, so adding him doesn't really improve Toronto's primary weaknesses...

You gotta be joking UD. Calderon is nowhere near the shooter, nor the playmaker that Nash is. Nash is a still 80% of the player he was in his MVP seasons. His impact stats are still ridiculous with that piss poor Suns roster. He's in a completely different league than Calderon. He would be huge for them, and for Valanciunas. And if they can trade the 8th pick for Gay... A Nash-Derozan-Gay-Bargnani-Valanciunas starting five is definitely making the playoffs in the East.

Anyway, can this be legit news? (didn't see it in the thread, sorry if it's a repost)

http://www.iamagm.com/news/2012/06/2....mavericks.mix

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by howdoesmydirktaste

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/3557...ands-trade.htm


Howard is demanding a trade again. I always take articles like this with a grain of salt. I'm not too familiar with NJ trade assets, but I thought they didn't have any.

That article is just repeating Woj's article from earlier this week. It doesn't say he's formally demanded a trade.

[oilfieldtrash]

Originally Posted by howdoesmydirktaste

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/3557...ands-trade.htm


Howard is demanding a trade again. I always take articles like this with a grain of salt. I'm not too familiar with NJ trade assets, but I thought they didn't have any.

They don't. But don't say that in a nets forum. They'll extol the virtues of a journeyman Gerald Wallace or tell you how Brook Lopez dropped 30 on Dallas and if healthy should average a double double.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

If you're trying to mock me, you whiffed big time there, bud. I took that straight from a NetsDaily poster. Guess I shoulda quoted it to alleviate any confusion--you know, anticipating that you'd try to be an ass for no reason.

It wasn't me mocking you. It was you mocking them. Lighten up, fella. Or, at least wait to see how it plays out. Who knows, maybe it ends up being a criterium in their favor after all, and the one that wins the day.

[howdoesmydirktaste]

I think Deron coming to Dallas with Dirk as his wingman, Rick as the coach, Donnie in the front office and Mark writing the checks would be a no brainer.

And I LMAO to all the East Coast fans that say Dirk is washed up. Homeboy carried a team on his back, had Finals hangover, didn't have a proper training camp and now he's washed up? He's a jump shooter. He's not penetrating like Rondo. Jump shooters last a very long time. Whether he's with Dallas next year or not, Terry will be around a long time because he just plants and shoots. Dirk won't have to penetrate as much with Deron around. Deron can do that while Dirk waits for a pass.

I'm sure Deron is aware that theres only a year separated from the Mavs championship and that Dirk can still ball.

I think that if Deron stays in Brooklyn it's because he truly feels he can lead some charge and over come all the bozos that the Nets employ to run that team. His ego is the only thing that will keep him there. If he is cerebral at all, he will end up in Dallas.

In corner one, you have a team that won a championship a year ago, an owner that cares, a coach that has schemes that can shut down Lebron and a city that wants him here. In the other corner you have an owner that catches three games a year, a joke of a front office, a coach that did everything in his power to lose the Finals in 2006, and a fan base that would rather watch the Knicks lose than show up to to a Nets game. All the taxes and real estate prices make the money fairly close.

Like I said, only his ego will keep him in Brooklyn. Keep in mind, he never asked to be traded to the Nets in the first place.

[howdoesmydirktaste]

Another thought is that if Dwill was completely sold on signing with the Nets, he probably would have said something by now. He can't say anything about the Mavs because he can't talk to them until July 1. He did say that he wanted to have a contract before the start of Olympic training (July 5 I think). If he was 100% signing with the Nets, wouldn't he have hinted something by now? He seems like the opposite of a Dwight Howard when it comes to business. Because of that, if his intention was to sign with the Nets, he probably would have shared his intentions so there wasnt drama (kind of like Dirk quietly did when he became a FA and resigned with Dallas a couple years back)He wants to hear what Mark and Donnie have to say. To me, I like those chances. Cuban can do business.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by howdoesmydirktaste

Another thought is that if Dwill was completely sold on signing with the Nets, he probably would have said something by now. He can't say anything about the Mavs because he can't talk to them until July 1. He did say that he wanted to have a contract before the start of Olympic training (July 5 I think). If he was 100% signing with the Nets, wouldn't he have hinted something by now? He seems like the opposite of a Dwight Howard when it comes to business. Because of that, if his intention was to sign with the Nets, he probably would have shared his intentions so there wasnt drama (kind of like Dirk quietly did when he became a FA and resigned with Dallas a couple years back)He wants to hear what Mark and Donnie have to say. To me, I like those chances. Cuban can do business.

Exactly. Although, I guess you could look at it like he just wants to give Dirk and Kidd the honor of a pitch since he has respect for them. Maybe he really is leaning towards NJ, but man what a wild smoke screen if so. "My favorite place to play is Dallas." -Deron...That doesn't sound like a guy uncomfortable playing at home.

[howdoesmydirktaste]

I took these very nice points from Matt Moore of MSNBC.


They went 22-44 last year, but that’s OK, because it’s an improvement on the 24-58 record they had the year before. I mean, not much of one, but still!

Their next best player at the moment is a center with a severe foot injury that limited him all last season and has significant rebounding problems.

Their next best player would be Gerald Wallace, but he’s opting out into free agency. But that’s OK, because there’s a good chance he’ll re-sign. At age 30.

They only have six players on roster for next year (assuming they re-sign Lopez in restricted free agency for eight figures), but that’s OK, because one of them is Johan Petro for $3.5 million.

Their front office has swung out in the past two years in luring LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Amar’e Stoudemire, Carmelo Anthony, and Dwight Howard to their team, but that’s OK, because they traded their first-rounder to bring in Gerald Wallace who’s now a free agent last year.

[nowhereman]

Anyone interested in Noah? I know I am. Apparently on the table for cap relief and/or a high draft pick. Roddy/17th pick/Extended Odom + cash to buy him out/future pick? Seems like the kind of athletic, mobile, defensive center that could really hold down it down for us. Would make Haywood more expendable as well.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-sunday...ing-noah-trade

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by nowhereman

Anyone interested in Noah? I know I am. Apparently on the table for cap relief and/or a high draft pick. Roddy/17th pick/Extended Odom + cash to buy him out/future pick? Seems like the kind of athletic, mobile, defensive center that could really hold down it down for us. Would make Haywood more expendable as well.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-sunday...ing-noah-trade

I like Noah fine. Don't like his contract. And I don't see how Dallas could absorb that much salary and still sign Deron, should he choose the Mavs.

[howdoesmydirktaste]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...llas-mavericks


The article above is interesting.

[howdoesmydirktaste]

Isn't Deshawn Stevenson an unrestricted free agent? Sign Deron (for max) and Deshawn (for cheap).Deshawn would probably love to come back to Dallas if we get Deron. He can defend the other teams best two guard. Maybe get Delonte West as well. That would be solid defensive guards. Not sure how well it would work on offense. Just an idea. I liked Deshawn.

[vinylstar]

Originally Posted by howdoesmydirktaste

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...llas-mavericks


The article above is interesting.

This just gives me a raging clue.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by howdoesmydirktaste

Isn't Deshawn Stevenson an unrestricted free agent? Sign Deron (for max) and Deshawn (for cheap).Deshawn would probably love to come back to Dallas if we get Deron. He can defend the other teams best two guard. Maybe get Delonte West as well. That would be solid defensive guards. Not sure how well it would work on offense. Just an idea. I liked Deshawn.

He is an UFA. I think he'd love to come back to Dallas just in general, Deron or no Deron. He got along with everyone in the organization. He also gained a ton of respect from all of the key players on the roster and in the front office for his professionalism and toughness.

I think the problem last summer was the shift in role players and the need for them to be more offensive-minded, something Stevenson really isn't. And like last summer, I don't see him finding a home (unless its Brooklyn) very quickly in the free agent process.

[howdoesmydirktaste]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

He is an UFA. I think he'd love to come back to Dallas just in general, Deron or no Deron. He got along with everyone in the organization. He also gained a ton of respect from all of the key players on the roster and in the front office for his professionalism and toughness.

I think the problem last summer was the shift in role players and the need for them to be more offensive-minded, something Stevenson really isn't. And like last summer, I don't see him finding a home (unless its Brooklyn) very quickly in the free agent process.

We could get him for cheap. Same with West. I miss Deshawn (if my name didn't give that away).

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

I like Noah fine. Don't like his contract. And I don't see how Dallas could absorb that much salary and still sign Deron, should he choose the Mavs.

Dallas could trade for Deron Williams...

DLord's article about getting both Deron and Dwight via trade was far-fetched, but it really got me thinking about the possibility of acquiring Williams in a sign-and-trade. I don't know if the Nets would bite on his proposal of Odom/Carter/Roddy+, but "something" certainly seems like a better option than "cap relief" if Deron Williams isn't in a Nets uniform on opening night at Barclays (especially given the current FA market).

Approaching DLord's idea from a different angle; the Mavs would be off the hook for Odom/Carter's buyouts and Roddy's $2.2M, which would put their salary at $39.2M... Add another $17M for Deron and you're still under the cap at $56.2M... Amnesty Haywood and you're back down to $47.9M. That would leave about $10M of cap space to play with AFTER acquiring Deron.

$10M could go a long way in free agency... It could also give the Mavs a nice big pad for more trades - especially if Terry agreed to a sign-and-trade or something like that... Noah is making a little over $11M next season... Not that the Bulls would trade Noah for Terry, but a comperable move could be within the realm of possibility if the Mavs somehow convinced the Nets to do a sign-and-trade.

[rabbitproof]

Noah could be huge. If he plays to his potential, his contract is not bad. Obviously can't interfere from signing Deron but from a player and value perspective, I like him.

It'd be like adding Dirk to the Bulls. Deron/Marion/Noah = Rose/Deng/Noah.

[mavs777]

doubt the nets would have any interest in vince, maybe they would have some for roddy/odom tho i guess.

[howdoesmydirktaste]

My free agent basketball weenie is getting hard. It's going to be a fun week.

[grndmstr_c]

I haven't thought much about scenarios involving JET, largely because the Mavs just have so little leverage there. Though if a team like Chicago was interested in JET, that'd certainly open up some possibilities.

I don't think there's any way Cuban would amnesty Wood to clear space for an overpaid Noah.

[howdoesmydirktaste]

If we got Noah, could we flip him for D12 with extra junk thrown in?

[vinylstar]

Originally Posted by rabbitproof

Noah could be huge. If he plays to his potential, his contract is not bad. Obviously can't interfere from signing Deron but from a player and value perspective, I like him.

It'd be like adding Dirk to the Bulls. Deron/Marion/Noah = Rose/Deng/Noah.

That would be absolutely sick. I think you could make the case that Noah is a better fit with Dirk than Chandler...and that worked out.

That being said, I have no idea why Noah is even rumored to be on the block. They want to sign Asik, but if I had to pick, I'd go with Noah. I only saw the Bulls play maybe 5 times last year, so maybe I don't have a big enough sample size.

[chumdawg]

What about sign and trade for Terry? Any way that could work in our favor?