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Underdog · 06-11-2015, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bunkmoreland

Is there anything preventing the Mavs from signing and trading Monta if he opts out?

Nope.

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Is it likely we can find a team who'd rather trade something we can use to get Monta as opoosed to just sign him outright with cap space?

Denver? Ty Lawson has already expressed an interest in Dallas -- maybe we can work out a deal? The Nuggets are nowhere near being a playoff team in the West, but Ellis' style of play can certainly sell tickets (he was probably the most entertaining aspect of the Mavs the last 2 years, other than Dirk moving up the all-time scoring list...)

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-11-2015, 12:46 PM

BG has been pretty consistently irritated with Ellis not talking to the media so TMAC isn't making stuff up. However, neither of them like each other so I take it for a small grain of salt.

Still, if it's true that Ellis hurt team chemistry in any way, then it would be too much of a risk to tie him up with big money. And I agree that it's time for Parsons to take the reigns.

Melonhead · 06-11-2015, 02:43 PM

Bout to get real sticky in here. Love ya Monta, but you gotta go.

LonghornDub · 06-11-2015, 03:12 PM

Monta's been a nice stopgap, but it's time to let him go. This is no longer about the "Dirk window"--it's about building a long-term quality team. Monta isn't part of that.

bunkmoreland · 06-11-2015, 03:14 PM

Lawson would be great if Denver goes for it.

FreshJive · 06-11-2015, 03:55 PM

Bryan Gutierrez ‏@BallinWithBryan

@espn_macmahon hit the nail on the head with Monta: Good player but not a good fit http://es.pn/1JMFx91

I'd expect them to move on.

BGMaverick9 · 06-11-2015, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

^Those are some pretty strong opinions by TMac -- I wonder who his "source" is, and how much truth there is to any of this?

They're ones you trust. And there's truth to it.

Thespiralgoeson · 06-11-2015, 09:05 PM

^^ Took me a second to realize you guys were talking about Tim MacMahon and not Tracy McGrady.

mavs777 · 06-13-2015, 11:23 AM

With Monta seemingly gone next year (and of course rondo), I am getting really excited about the potential of Parsons to breakout. It felt like Monta's over dribbling held back Parsons last year, when Parsons was given chances to run pick n rolls, to drive, to be in secondary breaks, to be a late in shot clock decision maker he was extremely good. Parsons was an excellent driver and pick n roll player last year and I am looking forward to seeing more of that next year

BGMaverick9 · 06-13-2015, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

With Monta seemingly gone next year (and of course rondo), I am getting really excited about the potential of Parsons to breakout. It felt like Monta's over dribbling held back Parsons last year, when Parsons was given chances to run pick n rolls, to drive, to be in secondary breaks, to be a late in shot clock decision maker he was extremely good. Parsons was an excellent driver and pick n roll player last year and I am looking forward to seeing more of that next year

If you're that excited and interested, I recommend you read these:

http://www.mavsoutsider.com/2015/06/...rt-i-shooting/
http://www.mavsoutsider.com/2015/06/...-facilitating/
http://www.mavsoutsider.com/2015/06/...iii-finishing/
http://www.mavsoutsider.com/2015/06/...erything-else/
http://www.mavsoutsider.com/2015/06/...o-is-this-guy/

BGMaverick9 · 06-15-2015, 01:57 PM

Looking at Aldridge and Jordan
http://www.mavsoutsider.com/2015/06/...eandre-jordan/

Underdog · 06-15-2015, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

If you're that excited and interested, I recommend you read these:

http://www.mavsoutsider.com/2015/06/...rt-i-shooting/
http://www.mavsoutsider.com/2015/06/...-facilitating/
http://www.mavsoutsider.com/2015/06/...iii-finishing/
http://www.mavsoutsider.com/2015/06/...erything-else/
http://www.mavsoutsider.com/2015/06/...o-is-this-guy/

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Looking at Aldridge and Jordan
http://www.mavsoutsider.com/2015/06/...eandre-jordan/

Wow, great reads!

Underdog · 06-16-2015, 11:18 AM

Iran captain Nikkhah Bahrami invited to Dallas Mavericks training camp

dirt_dobber · 06-16-2015, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Iran captain Nikkhah Bahrami invited to Dallas Mavericks training camp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0VNHe5fq30

Melonhead · 06-16-2015, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Iran captain Nikkhah Bahrami invited to Dallas Mavericks training camp

The announcement was made on Saturday and the 32-year-old forward is scheduled to travel to Dallas in the next days to participate in the training camp.

yahyes · 06-16-2015, 06:07 PM

Jimmy Butler is open to offer sheets. I do consider him an option at SG here. Who would you pay more though? DeAndre, Aldridge, or Butler.

bunkmoreland · 06-16-2015, 06:42 PM

I'm not sure if Jimmy is eligible to make as much as Aldridge or DeAndre. But Butler might actually be my first choice as long as we could still keep Tyson.

mavs777 · 06-17-2015, 12:50 AM

There is no reason to waste our time with butler, Chicago will match

spreedom · 06-17-2015, 06:15 AM

All indications are that Butler wants to sign a three-year deal instead of the full five that he's eligible for. I haven't heard anything suggesting that he wants to leave Chicago or that they're willing to let him go. It's all about positioning himself for another huge contract soon after the new CBA.

jay3189 · 06-17-2015, 01:28 PM

I'm hearing rumors, that if Monta Ellis opts out, Dallas will not push to sign him back. I expect Monta to opt out, but then again if he opts in and become a free agent in 2016, he can demand more money since the NBA's salary cap will probably go to 89 million. I really like Monta, I think Dallas will regret not resigning him back unless Dallas get someone like Marc Gasol or Lamarcus Aldridge With a solid starting shooting guard. Cause Monta is arguably the Mavericks best scoring option. So if they lose that, they Must replace him with a scorer as well

Thespiralgoeson · 06-17-2015, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jay3189

I really like Monta, I think Dallas will regret not resigning him back unless Dallas get someone like Marc Gasol or Lamarcus Aldridge With a solid starting shooting guard. Cause Monta is arguably the Mavericks best scoring option. So if they lose that, they Must replace him with a scorer as well

I think that's why they're pushing so hard for Aldridge.

Bryan_Wilson · 06-17-2015, 07:16 PM

I'm just tired of being one of the worst defensive teams. I like Monta but it's really hard to find a guard to pair with an undersized shooting guard who can't defend and can't play off ball/shoot respectably from deep.

Also if you are to believe the rumors of giving Parsons more play-making opportunities then I feel even less inclined to bring back Monta. He just can't play off ball very well at all. There is also no way in my mind Monta is deferring to Parsons willingly and I'd expect more moodiness if he was forced to take a back seat to him in crunch time.

Again, I don't dislike Monta, if we had a pg who could defend distribute and shoot off ball then I would have no issue with Monta being back. If Monta was willing to be a 6th man and paid like a 6th man I also would not have an issue.

I'd rather strive for top 10 offense top 10 defense than top 3 offense and 25th+ defense personally.

Thespiralgoeson · 06-17-2015, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

I'm just tired of being one of the worst defensive teams. I like Monta but it's really hard to find a guard to pair with an undersized shooting guard who can't defend and can't play off ball/shoot respectably from deep.

Also if you are to believe the rumors of giving Parsons more play-making opportunities then I feel even less inclined to bring back Monta. He just can't play off ball very well at all. There is also no way in my mind Monta is deferring to Parsons willingly and I'd expect more moodiness if he was forced to take a back seat to him in crunch time.

Again, I don't dislike Monta, if we had a pg who could defend distribute and shoot off ball then I would have no issue with Monta being back. If Monta was willing to be a 6th man and paid like a 6th man I also would not have an issue.

I'd rather strive for top 10 offense top 10 defense than top 3 offense and 25th+ defense personally.

I think the Mavs are completely done with Monta, and that is absolutely fine by me. I am DONE with undersized shooting guards- especially ones with attitude problems.

Vinsanity · 06-17-2015, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jay3189

I'm hearing rumors, that if Monta Ellis opts out, Dallas will not push to sign him back. I expect Monta to opt out, but then again if he opts in and become a free agent in 2016, he can demand more money since the NBA's salary cap will probably go to 89 million. I really like Monta, I think Dallas will regret not resigning him back unless Dallas get someone like Marc Gasol or Lamarcus Aldridge With a solid starting shooting guard. Cause Monta is arguably the Mavericks best scoring option. So if they lose that, they Must replace him with a scorer as well

Agreed. Seems like a lot of Mavs fans are undervaluing Monta's offensive ability. If we let Monta go, get Jordan and sign a 3&D shooting guard, our offense could really struggle at times. If we lose Monta, I think the best case scenario would getting Aldridge and resigning Tyson. I love Jordan's game but Aldridge is a true number 1 scoring option... which we would need if we lost Monta.

Bryan_Wilson · 06-17-2015, 11:26 PM

We finished:

- Dead last in rebound differential
- Dead last in total rebound %
- 25th in points per game given up
- 27th in defensive 3pt%
All of these are the lowest of any playoff team this season

Never going anywhere with numbers like those... Simply replacing TC for DJ isn't going to fix numbers like this. It clearly starts on the perimeter given the 3pt percent. If we constantly have to worry about dribble penetration we can't get in good rebounding positions. If we constantly give up open 3's... there won't be a rebound to go after

rimrocker · 06-18-2015, 02:01 PM

This team should focus on building for 2016-2017 this off-season. I know everyone wants to win with Dirk but we have a much better chance of winning with him his final few years by constructing a team to lure FAs in 2016 than throwing a bunch of talented has-beens and misfits together in hopes that it all will all come together this season.

I don't see LMA or Ellis on long term deals luring any star FAs in their prime next year and certainly don't see any championships on the horizon with either or both of those two as the main catalysts.

Melonhead · 06-19-2015, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

This team should focus on building for 2016-2017 this off-season. I know everyone wants to win with Dirk but we have a much better chance of winning with him his final few years by constructing a team to lure FAs in 2016 than throwing a bunch of talented has-beens and misfits together in hopes that it all will all come together this season.

This sounds like every season since the championship. FO tries their hardest to get a good group of guys together, then try it all again the next off season. Rinse, repeat. Problem isn't Dirk. It all goes back to drafting and developing talent. If they never do that, this is the battle were stuck with every single year.

rimrocker · 06-19-2015, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

This sounds like every season since the championship. FO tries their hardest to get a good group of guys together, then try it all again the next off season. Rinse, repeat. Problem isn't Dirk. It all goes back to drafting and developing talent. If they never do that, this is the battle were stuck with every single year.

The difference is they should go after building blocks this time instead putting pieces around Dirk.
Similar to building an offensive line before chasing skilled players.

Thespiralgoeson · 06-19-2015, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

This sounds like every season since the championship. FO tries their hardest to get a good group of guys together, then try it all again the next off season. Rinse, repeat. Problem isn't Dirk. It all goes back to drafting and developing talent. If they never do that, this is the battle were stuck with every single year.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Melonhead again.

mavs777 · 06-19-2015, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

This sounds like every season since the championship. FO tries their hardest to get a good group of guys together, then try it all again the next off season. Rinse, repeat. Problem isn't Dirk. It all goes back to drafting and developing talent. If they never do that, this is the battle were stuck with every single year.

They won a title without drafting and developing talent.

Thespiralgoeson · 06-19-2015, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

They won a title without drafting and developing talent.

Uh... Dirk?

Underdog · 06-19-2015, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Uh... Dirk?

12 years between drafting him and winning a ring -- preceeded by a decade of being the worst team in pro sports... Is that the plan, here?

Thespiralgoeson · 06-19-2015, 07:50 PM

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12 years between drafting him and winning a ring -- proceeded by a decade of being the worst team in pro sports... Is that the plan, here?

I hate as much as anyone that it took Dirk 12 years to get his ring- but in those 12 years the Mavs were contenders year in year out. The Mavs over the last 15 years are one of the more successful franchises in sports because they drafted an all-time great player- which, yes, happened because they were one of the worst teams in sports.

Regardless of whether not its a good "plan," I was refuting mavs777's factually incorrect statement that the Mavs won the title "without drafting or developing talent," by pointing out the simple indisputable fact that the 2011 Mavs won their championship because once upon a time they drafted a tall skinny kid from Germany.

Thespiralgoeson · 06-19-2015, 07:52 PM

^^ And believe me, I'm not sitting here saying I'm excited about the prospect, or that I think our chances of drafting a star of Dirk's caliber or even close to it EVER again are very good. I'm saying that's just the sh*tty truth about how NBA championships are won.

Underdog · 06-19-2015, 08:00 PM

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^^ And believe me, I'm not sitting here saying I'm excited about the prospect, or that I think our chances of drafting a star of Dirk's caliber or even close to it EVER again are very good. I'm saying that's just the sh*tty truth about how NBA championships are won.

I can think of *40 million* reasons why that logic might not be applicable over the next three years... Might as well swing for the fences, then if that doesn't work, try to build through the draft as you suggest. What's another 3 years going to hurt when you're talking about a 5-20 process?

Thespiralgoeson · 06-19-2015, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

I can think of *40 million* reasons why that logic might not be applicable over the next three years... Might as well swing for the fences, then if that doesn't work, try to build through the draft as you suggest. What's another 3 years going to hurt when you're talking about a 5-20 process?

What does "swinging for the fences" entail? Look, if there are players available in free agency or trade that you can actually build a contender with- then hell yes get them. I just don't see any such player being available to the Mavs at the moment- LMA doesn't fit the bill for me as we've discussed in the other thread.

Melonhead · 06-20-2015, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

They won a title without drafting and developing talent.

Lets see how that turns out from 2012 and onward...I'll save this for later.

mavs777 · 06-20-2015, 11:51 AM

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Lets see how that turns out from 2012 and onward...I'll save this for later.

Just doesn't make any logical sense to currently build through the draft with the position dallas is in.

mavs777 · 06-20-2015, 11:54 AM

Mavs should not be ignoring the draft like they have, but they also shouldn't blow everything up, and put their hopes on what they are worst at and what poor odds are on.

rimrocker · 06-20-2015, 05:57 PM

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Mavs should not be ignoring the draft like they have, but they also shouldn't blow everything up, and put their hopes on what they are worst at and what poor odds are on.

I really hate the criticism of the FO's supposed inability to draft.
Their poor drafting is a testament to their ability to put together a long stretch of winning teams.

And compounded with a strategy of winning with Dirk for the past decade +, there was most likely always a low priority placed on drafting players that would make a difference...especially players drafted in the 20-27 range.

I just love how people only focus on the teams that have had bad track records of drafting in the lottery but seem to leave out the teams that have built championship caliber teams leveraging the draft in their discussions.