04-17-2011, 11:01 PM
|
#281
|
Moderator
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 17,873
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan
So what you're saying is, the Mavs as a team need to figure out how to get him better looks.
|
That'd be nice, for sure. But I don't want to make it sound like it's not his responsibility too.
__________________
John Madden on Former NFL Running Back Leroy Hoard: "You want one yard, he'll get you three. You want five yards, he'll get you three."
"Your'e a low-mentality drama gay queen!!" -- She_Growls
|
|
|
04-17-2011, 11:26 PM
|
#282
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 7,938
|
Will Dallas need JET to be more aggressive looking for his shot and put more points on the board than he did last night? Undoubtedly. But it's unrealistic to think that he can (or should) be the team's #2 guy every night, too. As much as the team needs him to put the ball in the bucket, it's even more important that he stay effective and engaged on the defensive end. If last night is the benchmark for how he plays when he's not scoring, I'll take it.
And I'll just add this in defense of his low scoring output, in particular. JET's used to having the ball in his hands a lot in the fourth quarter, and that didn't happen last night. Part of that was an entirely predictable uptick in Dirk's usage, but part of it was also due to the unexpected explosion in Kidd's emphasis on scoring, more importantly and fundamentally, his heavy involvement in the two-man game with Dirk.
__________________
"He's coming off the bench aggressive right away, looking for his shot. If he has any daylight, we need him to shoot the ball. We know it's going in."
-Dirk Nowitzki on Jason Terry, after JET's 16 point 4th quarter against the Pacers.
|
|
|
04-18-2011, 12:20 AM
|
#283
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 7,002
|
I still can't believe Kidd shot that ball to make a three possession game, let alone make it. He was so confident too you could see it in his eyes.
|
|
|
04-18-2011, 01:58 AM
|
#284
|
Golden Member
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Mesquite, Texas
Posts: 1,403
|
If Kidd were to have another game like that this series I would faint like a woman from shock, but that would be a good thing.
__________________
|
|
|
04-18-2011, 05:01 AM
|
#285
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 9,215
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by mavs777
I still can't believe Kidd shot that ball to make a three possession game, let alone make it. He was so confident too you could see it in his eyes.
|
Yes. One point that's lost in the whole "Kidd won't go off again" angle is that Kidd was not just the guy Portland dared to shoot. The man was looking for his shot the whole game.
As for that last possession in particular, the points were great but Batum got them back within two seconds. The real back-breaker was that the one possession, thanks to Chandler's offensive rebound punch, took 46 of the remaining 71 seconds off the clock. Yes, forty-six.
|
|
|
04-18-2011, 07:26 AM
|
#286
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: now, here
Posts: 7,720
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan
Yes. One point that's lost in the whole "Kidd won't go off again" angle is that Kidd was not just the guy Portland dared to shoot. The man was looking for his shot the whole game.
|
That's where the story of Kidd working on his shot during his "bye" week and using some of Dirk's shooting techniques becomes encouraging.
__________________
watch your thoughts, they become your words
|
|
|
04-18-2011, 08:46 AM
|
#287
|
Lazy Moderator
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Lazytown
Posts: 18,721
|
Over the past couple of years Kidd has always shown a willingness to become more aggressive if his shot is falling. He's a smart player, so he does exactly what you want someone with a hot hand to do.
I would say "Kidd won't go off again" is a pretty safe statement. Doesn't mean he won't hit his open threes at a good enough clip to make a huge difference. But I certainly wouldn't bet on any more 20 point games out of him.
|
|
|
04-18-2011, 08:57 AM
|
#288
|
Old School Balla
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 13,097
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by jthig32
Over the past couple of years Kidd has always shown a willingness to become more aggressive if his shot is falling. He's a smart player, so he does exactly what you want someone with a hot hand to do.
I would say "Kidd won't go off again" is a pretty safe statement. Doesn't mean he won't hit his open threes at a good enough clip to make a huge difference. But I certainly wouldn't bet on any more 20 point games out of him.
|
If we can believe that the rest has rejuvenated Kidd (and I think we can), then we can count on a high level of play from him. Whether than translates to points, assists, rebounds, steals, individual defense, or crucial loose ball plays all remains to be seen. Kidd is going to do everything in his power to win based upon what is happening on the court. You don't have to worry about that guy.
|
|
|
04-18-2011, 09:47 AM
|
#289
|
Guru
Join Date: May 2001
Location: sport
Posts: 39,431
|
I'm happy if the Mavs can get 10-12 points from Kidd.
|
|
|
04-18-2011, 10:21 AM
|
#290
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Jan 2002
Posts: 8,195
|
If Kidd scored well enough last game to warrant some extra defensive attention, then hopefully Terry and Barea can take advantage in the next game and return the favor by scoring well enough to give Kidd some extra rest!
|
|
|
04-18-2011, 10:25 AM
|
#291
|
Guru
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 11,806
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Murphy3
I'm happy if the Mavs can get 10-12 points from Kidd.
|
Mavs were 24-6 in the regular season when he scored at least 10 points.
|
|
|
04-18-2011, 10:33 AM
|
#292
|
Moderator
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 17,873
|
Ask Mike Woodson what Kidd can do when he's on his game.
__________________
John Madden on Former NFL Running Back Leroy Hoard: "You want one yard, he'll get you three. You want five yards, he'll get you three."
"Your'e a low-mentality drama gay queen!!" -- She_Growls
|
|
|
04-18-2011, 11:08 AM
|
#293
|
Member
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 183
|
Any chance we see brewer???
|
|
|
04-18-2011, 11:08 AM
|
#294
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: North Laredo
Posts: 7,995
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by BGMaverick9
Mavs were 24-6 in the regular season when he scored at least 10 points.
|
Kidd only scored 10+ points in 30 games? Wow.
__________________
"Dirk Nowitzki is now a household name in every locker room in this world.
You say it in Brazil, you say Dirk, they know Nowitzki. You say it in China,
they know Nowitzki. Kobe, Michael, DIRK." - Jeff Van Gundy
|
|
|
04-18-2011, 11:14 AM
|
#295
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 4,859
|
Hopefully Kidd can be consistent, I've followed the guy and it's one game on one game off for the last couple years. I don't see McMillan adjusting their game plan based on Kidd's shooting. Even Kidd knows it, him and Dirk discussed making sure the X Factor was on Dallas' side in Game 1. I doubt Kidd will score more than 10 in Game 2, meaning someone, or a group of Tyson, Marion, Jet has to pick up the slack.
|
|
|
04-18-2011, 11:36 AM
|
#296
|
Golden Member
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Germany
Posts: 1,456
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kidd Karma
I doubt Kidd will score more than 10 in Game 2, meaning someone, or a group of Tyson, Marion, Jet has to pick up the slack.
|
...which has to happen anyway for us to be successful in this series. It was important to not let Kidd's great game go to waste. Since we can't expect it to happen again (meaning the 24 points), other players will have to step up in the next game. While there's more to a good offensive game than just scoring, which Kidd has proven his entire career, we need guys like Jet, Marion, Tyson and even JJB to score. They all had their off night offensively and now it's time to produce in a crucial second game to take pressure off of Dirk and allow Kidd to be Kidd, a distributor and not a scorer.
|
|
|
04-18-2011, 11:42 AM
|
#297
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 4,859
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by dalger
...which has to happen anyway for us to be successful in this series. It was important to not let Kidd's great game go to waste. Since we can't expect it to happen again (meaning the 24 points), other players will have to step up in the next game. While there's more to a good offensive game than just scoring, which Kidd has proven his entire career, we need guys like Jet, Marion, Tyson and even JJB to score. They all had their off night offensively and now it's time to produce in a crucial second game to take pressure off of Dirk and allow Kidd to be Kidd, a distributor and not a scorer.
|
You know Jet, Marion and Tyson shot 5-12 collectively, Jet got to the stripe 8 times. There was great ball movement and they knew Kidd was on, so they just kept going to the well. I think if Kidd wasn't hitting, Jet would have taken more shots. There were a few opps passed up too. Portland now has the choice to adjust or continue to take away from everyone but Kidd. Likely scenario is they continue with giving Kidd every shot.
|
|
|
04-18-2011, 12:07 PM
|
#298
|
Golden Member
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Germany
Posts: 1,456
|
That's why I mentioned that there's more to an offensive game than just scoring. When Dirk's making 80% of his shots, I don't mind him taking 25-30 shots and winning a game single-handedly. Even a guy like Kidd, who's hardly one of our best scorers, should take many shots on a night like Saturday. Under those circumstances, seeing guys like Jet, Marion, Tyson, Peja and JJB in minor roles scoring-wise is a luxury and not a problem.
However, it'll be important that Jet, Marion, Peja and JJB increase their scoring impact tomorrow for us to be successful. They were a combined 7-25 from the field in the first game, while Tyson and Haywood only scored 6 points overall.
Again, if only two guys are hot and our defense is good enough to let those two guys take us home, we'll be fine. Otherwise, we'll need a more balanced attack, which requires some of the aforementioned players to take more shots and make them.
Last edited by dalger; 04-18-2011 at 12:07 PM.
|
|
|
04-18-2011, 12:11 PM
|
#299
|
Member
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 167
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by LonghornDub
Ask Mike Woodson what Kidd can do when he's on his game.
|
|
|
|
04-18-2011, 12:19 PM
|
#300
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 4,859
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by dalger
That's why I mentioned that there's more to an offensive game than just scoring. When Dirk's making 80% of his shots, I don't mind him taking 25-30 shots and winning a game single-handedly. Even a guy like Kidd, who's hardly one of our best scorers, should take many shots on a night like Saturday. Under those circumstances, seeing guys like Jet, Marion, Tyson, Peja and JJB in minor roles scoring-wise is a luxury and not a problem.
However, it'll be important that Jet, Marion, Peja and JJB increase their scoring impact tomorrow for us to be successful. They were a combined 7-25 from the field in the first game, while Tyson and Haywood only scored 6 points overall.
Again, if only two guys are hot and our defense is good enough to let those two guys take us home, we'll be fine. Otherwise, we'll need a more balanced attack, which requires some of the aforementioned players to take more shots and make them.
|
Our defense actually surprised me in Game 1. Hopefully it continues.
|
|
|
04-18-2011, 12:34 PM
|
#301
|
Guru
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: uranus
Posts: 13,576
|
I've said many times that this team needs Kidd to shoot the ball more than he has. He needs to look for his shot like he did Saturday for the rest of the playoffs for us to have any shot at all. That was a different player than I've seen in a long time and I wonder how long it lasts.
__________________
you just proofed how stupid you are - CRAZYBOY
|
|
|
04-18-2011, 01:04 PM
|
#302
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 4,859
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by SMC0007
I've said many times that this team needs Kidd to shoot the ball more than he has. He needs to look for his shot like he did Saturday for the rest of the playoffs for us to have any shot at all. That was a different player than I've seen in a long time and I wonder how long it lasts.
|
Shoot, just to keep the floor balanced, if you're open, shoot, if you got a flyer, draw a foul or drive to the cup. There was some new stuff, or actually stuff we haven't seen in years in his arsenal. Hopefully it opens up things in Game 2 for others. But knowing McMillan, a couple Kidd bricks it could have been a whole different ball game, thus he probably won't make any adjustments in the defensive game plan.
|
|
|
04-18-2011, 01:15 PM
|
#303
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: now, here
Posts: 7,720
|
Kidd was just all-around nasty. It wasn'st just the money 3 but he was snaring rebounds in traffic and jumping on defenders. It was a great all-around game by Kidd.
__________________
watch your thoughts, they become your words
|
|
|
04-18-2011, 01:29 PM
|
#304
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 7,002
|
Marion, Chandler, JJB, and Jet scored 24 points on 6-19 shooting (0-2) from 3
I feel pretty confident that will improve
|
|
|
04-18-2011, 01:47 PM
|
#305
|
Golden Member
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Germany
Posts: 1,456
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by mavs777
Marion, Chandler, JJB, and Jet scored 24 points on 6-19 shooting (0-2) from 3
I feel pretty confident that will improve
|
That's why we have every reason to at least be optimistic about this series. If we can win a game with the guys you mentioned shooting the way they did, we'll be able to win more games. As long as we can keep up the defensive mindset and the corresponding results (only 81 points for the Blazers), we could very well win this series.
|
|
|
04-18-2011, 03:17 PM
|
#307
|
Moderator
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 19,413
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by sefant77
No wonder the Blazers fans are so blind after years of brainwashing homer broadcast.
|
You have no idea.
I was thinking about this today... I'm really glad we got Tuesday as our 2nd game instead of today. That extra day of rest could be huge for Kidd and I think we win the series if we win game 2.
|
|
|
04-18-2011, 03:19 PM
|
#308
|
Inactive.
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Posts: 42,898
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one
You have no idea.
I was thinking about this today... I'm really glad we got Tuesday as our 2nd game instead of today. That extra day of rest could be huge for Kidd and I think we win the series if we win game 2.
|
you know we are taking 1 if not both games in Portland. Getting both Dallas games will be a very good thing for the team and the rest means a lot more for our aging players than it does to Portland. I just hope Carlisle can also use the time wisely for his coaching too.
|
|
|
04-18-2011, 03:22 PM
|
#309
|
Moderator
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 19,413
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky
you know we are taking 1 if not both games in Portland. Getting both Dallas games will be a very good thing for the team and the rest means a lot more for our aging players than it does to Portland. I just hope Carlisle can also use the time wisely for his coaching too.
|
I agree with all of this except the first sentence. I think Portland wins both games in Portland. It's going to be GS flashbacks in there.... and it's been a long time since we've won a road playoff game anywhere besides SA.
I mean, maybe game 4.. but I doubt it.
The way I look at it... if we win game 2, all we have to do is win 1 out of the next 4... because I don't think there is anyway we would lose a game 7.
Last edited by fluid.forty.one; 04-18-2011 at 03:23 PM.
|
|
|
04-18-2011, 03:26 PM
|
#310
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 4,511
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by sefant77
|
Wow ... Dirk was really giving Wallace a hard time
|
|
|
04-18-2011, 03:31 PM
|
#311
|
Moderator
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 17,873
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one
I mean, maybe game 4.. but I doubt it.
|
I wish, but I'm not counting on it. I could see them winning a Game 6 if they go in there up 3-2, though.
__________________
John Madden on Former NFL Running Back Leroy Hoard: "You want one yard, he'll get you three. You want five yards, he'll get you three."
"Your'e a low-mentality drama gay queen!!" -- She_Growls
|
|
|
04-18-2011, 03:31 PM
|
#312
|
Inactive.
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Posts: 42,898
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one
I agree with all of this except the first sentence. I think Portland wins both games in Portland. It's going to be GS flashbacks in there.... and it's been a long time since we've won a road playoff game anywhere besides SA.
I mean, maybe game 4.. but I doubt it.
The way I look at it... if we win game 2, all we have to do is win 1 out of the next 4... because I don't think there is anyway we would lose a game 7.
|
I was thinking game 4 myself.
Game 2 will be the hardest game we will play this year so far, too. Refs will be looking to even it up, McMillan will make adjustments and we wont get the same performance out of Kidd, but game 2 may very well define the series. I think our D can do it but we need some more offense from Terry/JJB and maybe some supporting cast threes from Stevenson, etc. Marion challenging the inside might not be the worst thing either
|
|
|
04-18-2011, 03:36 PM
|
#313
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 5,249
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky
I think our D can do it but we need some more offense from Terry/JJB and maybe some supporting cast threes from Stevenson, etc. Marion challenging the inside might not be the worst thing either
|
It would be a good time for some super-ridiculous Peja threes, but dunno where we stick him on D.
__________________
Is this ghost ball??
|
|
|
04-18-2011, 03:36 PM
|
#314
|
Moderator
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 19,413
|
I agree that this next game is going to be really hard and that McMillan fired off the "coaching complain bullet" at a good time, because this game could end up defining the series. His comments are definitely going to impact the game.... but I think Dirk has a bounce back game as far as shooting goes and I think they will be able to overcome any officiating problems. If JET and Marion step up, I think we win the game and ultimately the series.
If we don't win the game, it's going to be reaaaal hard to win game 3 or 4 in Portland.
I also think the Mavs overcoming the diversity in the 4th quarter was huge. It had a very big "here we go again" feeling and they just plowed right through it. Could mean big things.
Last edited by fluid.forty.one; 04-18-2011 at 03:37 PM.
|
|
|
04-18-2011, 03:44 PM
|
#315
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: now, here
Posts: 7,720
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by DirkFTW
It would be a good time for some super-ridiculous Peja threes, but dunno where we stick him on D.
|
He can hang with Roy so maybe that's his target.
__________________
watch your thoughts, they become your words
|
|
|
04-18-2011, 03:46 PM
|
#316
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 4,511
|
Btw.: Mavs outscored Portland 19-6 on 8 Clutch Possessions. Officiating or not ... you won't win a game with these numbers.
|
|
|
04-18-2011, 04:13 PM
|
#317
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 9,215
|
Quote:
NBA fines Blazers coach Nate McMillan $35,000 for comments about refs after Game 1 loss to Dallas.
|
Quote:
Here's what McMillan said to draw $35K fine: "The free throws, I just don't get that. 19 to two in the fourth quarter."
|
Link1
Link2
Last edited by Dirkadirkastan; 04-18-2011 at 04:13 PM.
|
|
|
04-18-2011, 04:32 PM
|
#318
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 6,526
|
Expect a near perfect game from Portland.
__________________
|
|
|
04-18-2011, 04:38 PM
|
#319
|
Golden Member
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Germany
Posts: 1,456
|
The NBA is REALLY trying to protect the refs by fining coaches and players for comments like the one made by McMillan. They probably know that the officiating is either bad or so difficult that complaints are inevitable, so to not let it get out of hand they fine anyone who's trying to put light on the situation.
|
|
|
04-18-2011, 04:49 PM
|
#320
|
Diamond Member
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 7,002
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Windmill360
Expect a near perfect game from Portland.
|
why?
|
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:20 AM.
|