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particleman · 03-27-2009, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by tcat075

If you don't want to complain, I will. 26 points, but 23 shots to do so. Plus 13 FT's to help him out. Awful game. Horrid game. Missed a ton of open looks, including a wide open look at the end of the game.

11 rebounds and the Barea assist were nice, but Dirk doesn't play to make good passes and get rebounds. He plays so he can score for this team, be their go-to guy. He wasn't anyhting like that tonight...

Yeah, the 13 free throws are part of what makes me hesitant to complain. His shot wasn't falling, but at least he was getting to the line and rebounding. No matter who you are, your shots won't always fall. Dirk can occasionally completely disappear when his shot doesn't fall. Didn't do that tonight. It sucks, and I wouldn't give him a pass for it, but I can't say I'm disappointed with his effort the way I have been with some games this year.

Dirkadirkastan · 03-27-2009, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kg_veteran

He's a classless punk, but I could say that about several of the Nuggets.

If I was Denver parent, I would be morally opposed to taking my kids to a Nuggets game.

Lor20 · 03-27-2009, 10:11 PM

awesome game by hollins tho- 9 points, 8 rebounds, 4 blocks in 22 mins. i really want to see more of that. 7ft AND he can jump.

frankvizza · 03-27-2009, 10:12 PM

we almost did lol ,, damn wright

tcat075 · 03-27-2009, 10:13 PM

Let's see:

Positives
Hollins was sick. Blocking and dunking like a crazy man.

Barea is really, really good on the offensive end when he's on.

Negatives
Dirk was anti-un-non-clutch.

Green's shot selection still sucks. Someone needs to tell this kid he needs to be taking 3 shots: driving dunks, open 3's and open to semi-contested jumpers.

Wright was worse than Dirk and that's saying something.

Singleton didn't respond well at all to his start. Was really bad. His 3 was the only good thing he did all game.

JET scored 20 but with a lousy %.

kg_veteran · 03-27-2009, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

If I was Denver parent, I would be morally opposed to taking my kids to a Nuggets game.

Your kid would get tatted up just from watching them on a regular basis.

kg_veteran · 03-27-2009, 10:14 PM

Singleton's not really a good fit at SF for long stretches because he doesn't provide enough scoring.

tcat075 · 03-27-2009, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by particleman

Yeah, the 13 free throws are part of what makes me hesitant to complain. His shot wasn't falling, but at least he was getting to the line and rebounding. No matter who you are, your shots won't always fall. Dirk can occasionally completely disappear when his shot doesn't fall. Didn't do that tonight. It sucks, and I wouldn't give him a pass for it, but I can't say I'm disappointed with his effort the way I have been with some games this year.

Most of his FT's were because of lose ball fouls and the like, when Denver was over the limit. I know his only 2 in the 4th quarter was due to a lose ball foul.

jthig32 · 03-27-2009, 10:16 PM

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Singleton's not really a good fit at SF for long stretches because he doesn't provide enough scoring.

And he gets pulled away from the basket which is where he does his best work, offensively and defensively.

On the game as a whole; it sucks lose a close one like that, but I'm pretty darn impressed with their effort tonight. This team shouldn't be capable of playing at that level with their injury situation.

Lor20 · 03-27-2009, 10:17 PM

we could have really used howard today to drive..... i really hope we somehow get to #7 or 6....

Bayliss · 03-27-2009, 10:17 PM

And are there Mav fans that really think the Mavs stand a chance against the Lakers?

The Mavs f*cked up again. It has been the norm this year. Of course BGMav or ProdigyDub will tell me how there are lots of other chances.. or some such.

And the talent level on the Mavs is pathetic. Everyone else competing for the playoffs has a good 8 man rotation. The Mavs are the f*ckin' isle of misfit toys.

Isle of Misfit toys
Wright can guard but can't score/shoot
Barea can't guard but can shoot
Damp can't score but can guard
Bass can score but can't guard
Dirk can score but can't guard
Terry can score but can't guard
Kidd can't score but can pass (can't guard quick players)
Singleton is hit or miss, he can sometimes score or sometimes guard
Green can score but can't do anything else
Carroll can't guard or shoot
George can guard but can't shoot/score
Stackhouse can't do anything

There is not a single two way play on the Mavs team.

monty55555 · 03-27-2009, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Lor20

awesome game by hollins tho- 9 points, 8 rebounds, 4 blocks in 22 mins. i really want to see more of that. 7ft AND he can jump.

He played his heart out (as he usually does in every game). If he can continue to play defense the way he did, grab the boards, block or alter shots, and provide his youthful enthusiasm and energy, he can really help this team.

kg_veteran · 03-27-2009, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

And he gets pulled away from the basket which is where he does his best work, offensively and defensively.

Right.

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On the game as a whole; it sucks lose a close one like that, but I'm pretty darn impressed with their effort tonight. This team shouldn't be capable of playing at that level with their injury situation.

The only reason I'm disappointed is that the Mavs could have moved up tonight. NO lost, and the Mavs needed to take advantage. I really don't want LA in the first round.

frankvizza · 03-27-2009, 10:19 PM

you forgot about hollins

tcat075 · 03-27-2009, 10:20 PM

If Green can fix his shot selection, he'd be a lot better player.

Green should be taking open 3's and jumpers, should be driving (and kicking if lane is too clogged), and alley-oops. Fast break dunks, for sure. I'm even okay with jumpers that are contested, as long as he knocks them down sometimes and doesn't try to fade away or do some shit while shooting it. Put back dunks are good for him, too.

But besides that? All those other shots gotta go. No more falling-away jumpers, no more trying to draw contact when the defender is on the ground 15 feet away from the basket, no more trying to shoot pull-up jumpers with a man in his face.

edit: But Carlisle shouldn't stop using him immediately because of a bad game. You have to give the kid some time and see how he reacts. Green had a bad performance, but maybe if he gets four or five games in a row, he'll play better. It just doesn't make sense to play the kid, then bench him the first time he has a bad game. You've got to work through mistakes.

BGMaverick9 · 03-27-2009, 10:20 PM

Bayliss,

you're really throwing a fit about a loss without Kidd? It's not even worth throwing Howard in the debate because he's been gone for a while and I can't say with confidence he would've made a positive impact on the game to where it would've made the difference.

I sure know Kidd would've made a difference. But way to get all down about THIS loss and lump it with the other ones you've noted in the past. I would say this one is pretty different.

monty55555 · 03-27-2009, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

On the game as a whole; it sucks lose a close one like that, but I'm pretty darn impressed with their effort tonight. This team shouldn't be capable of playing at that level with their injury situation.

I was very impressed with their effort tonight as well. Honestly, when I heard that Kidd wasn't going to play, I knew it would be extremely tough to get a win. It was just unfortunate that Dirk was off tonight and JET had minimal impact on the game as well. But considering that those 2 guys struggled for most of the game, it was still a close game. Credit goes to Hollins and JJB. Both really played well tonight.

tcat075 · 03-27-2009, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

And he gets pulled away from the basket which is where he does his best work, offensively and defensively.

On the game as a whole; it sucks lose a close one like that, but I'm pretty darn impressed with their effort tonight. This team shouldn't be capable of playing at that level with their injury situation.

Definantly, Singleton's biggest strength is rebounding, which benefits him when playing the 4 or 5, not the 3.

jthig32 · 03-27-2009, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by kg_veteran

The only reason I'm disappointed is that the Mavs could have moved up tonight. NO lost, and the Mavs needed to take advantage. I really don't want LA in the first round.

Definitely hurts, that's for sure. But going into the game without Kidd or Josh, if you tell me I can have the ball in Dirk's hand with an open 15 footer to win it as the game ends, I take that no questions asked.

I wish we could get some news on Josh's situation.

cinemablend · 03-27-2009, 10:23 PM

I know the Mavs got more freethrows than the Nuggets tonight...

But the Nuggets are thugs. They clobbered and fouled and shoved, and pushed the Mavs players all night long.

And whether Dirk's shot had a prayer of making it or not at the end, that was a blatant, ridiculous foul. The Nuggets basically threw him down to the floor. The Refs HAVE to call that and they did not, presumably just because they wanted to go home.

Garbage.

BGMaverick9 · 03-27-2009, 10:23 PM

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I wish we could get some news on Josh's situation.

Did he ever get his Cortisone Shot?

kg_veteran · 03-27-2009, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Definitely hurts, that's for sure. But going into the game without Kidd or Josh, if you tell me I can have the ball in Dirk's hand with an open 15 footer to win it as the game ends, I take that no questions asked.

I wish we could get some news on Josh's situation.

Agreed, on both points.

See you all on Sunday.

tcat075 · 03-27-2009, 10:26 PM

I hate the Nuggets. Billups reminds me of Bowen, except on offense. Anderson joins Josh in the offseason for daily crack smoking. JR is just a thug.

tcat075 · 03-27-2009, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Definitely hurts, that's for sure. But going into the game without Kidd or Josh, if you tell me I can have the ball in Dirk's hand with an open 15 footer to win it as the game ends, I take that no questions asked.

I wish we could get some news on Josh's situation.

You'd give the ball to Dirk in the clutch with an open shot because you know Dirk is going to make that.

And he didn't.

That's why it hurts.

tcat075 · 03-27-2009, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

And are there Mav fans that really think the Mavs stand a chance against the Lakers?

The Mavs f*cked up again. It has been the norm this year. Of course BGMav or ProdigyDub will tell me how there are lots of other chances.. or some such.

And the talent level on the Mavs is pathetic. Everyone else competing for the playoffs has a good 8 man rotation. The Mavs are the f*ckin' isle of misfit toys.

Isle of Misfit toys
Wright can guard but can't score/shoot
Barea can't guard but can shoot
Damp can't score but can guard
Bass can score but can't guard
Dirk can score but can't guard
Terry can score but can't guard
Kidd can't score but can pass (can't guard quick players)
Singleton is hit or miss, he can sometimes score or sometimes guard
Green can score but can't do anything else
Carroll can't guard or shoot
George can guard but can't shoot/score
Stackhouse can't do anything

There is not a single two way play on the Mavs team.

You forgot Hollins, who sadly may be the best two-way player on the team. Dunks and blocks. That's two ways.

chumdawg · 03-27-2009, 10:30 PM

Give Dirk all the credit for this one. He was freakin' HORRIBLE in the second half.

Bayliss · 03-27-2009, 10:33 PM

Hollins is a little like Green. He really isn't two way. His really doesn't have offense. And if you consider him dunking to be offensive then you have to say Kidd is a two way player as well. Kidd can hit 3s....

tcat075 · 03-28-2009, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

Hollins is a little like Green. He really isn't two way. His really doesn't have offense. And if you consider him dunking to be offensive then you have to say Kidd is a two way player as well. Kidd can hit 3s....

Good point. Hollins is nice when people are creating shots for him, but he can't provide offense. Nor can Kidd. Kidd can't create his own offense.

MaVs 41 BaLler · 03-28-2009, 08:47 PM

What about Shawne Williams what happen to that kid?
Did he die?

and how long is it going to take till usher develops into the next lebron james

CadBane · 03-28-2009, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MaVs 41 BaLler

What about Shawne Williams what happen to that kid?
Did he die?

and how long is it going to take till usher develops into the next lebron james

I really liked Shawne's D and rebounding, but he was really struggling with his shooting. I think Singleton makes him a bit redundant.

tcat075 · 03-29-2009, 09:10 AM

Why is this still stickied?

jthig32 · 03-29-2009, 11:04 AM

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Why is this still stickied?

I don't follow....