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Male30Dan · 05-03-2006, 01:05 AM

Kobe will remember what??? Hell, he would probably WANT that again... It takes their best defender out of the game against him... Superstars don't back down and "remember" hard, (or in this case, incredibly excessive), fouls... They keep coming at you with everything they have and you can rest assured that is exactly what Bryant will do.

chumdawg · 05-03-2006, 01:08 AM

Nash: "The playoffs are bringing out the best in everybody. All of us choirboys are living up to our reputations."

Male30Dan · 05-03-2006, 01:08 AM

I will try to blow up that video and put it in slow motion to determine if Barkley was right, (he said that if you look carefully you will see that the elbow Bell complained about never actually hit him). Of course, we all know that Barkley is a joke, but still...

Bell is pretty good at flopping, but I don't know if he would get that mad unless he was really hit!

chumdawg · 05-03-2006, 01:09 AM

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There is a difference between a hard foul and that crap Raja pulled... Most hard fouls dont get you tossed... And most don't potentially cost your team by getting you suspended in the playoffs... That was REAL smart on his part!

Flagrant 2's get your tossed, brutha. That's what they are defined as: fouls that get you tossed.

Male30Dan · 05-03-2006, 01:12 AM

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Flagrant 2's get your tossed, brutha. That's what they are defined as: fouls that get you tossed.

Yup... Flagrant 2s do get you tossed, but the good ol hard foul is NOT a flagrant 2... A flagrant 2 is bullshit like Bell pulled, which was just STUPID!

How you can support that type of crap on the basketball court, (grabbing a guy around his neck and stopping all of his momentum and then taking your other arm and slamming him to the ground), is truly beyond me!

raefformvp · 05-03-2006, 01:15 AM

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And isn't that what hard fouls are about? You want them to remember it, right?

Chum, I usually agree with you on things, but not on this one. Acceptable hard fouls are those where an attempt is made on the ball, not those to take out a player. Raja Bell made no play for the ball there. To me, it was just plain dirty.

Like I said earlier, when Bell was here he was one of my favorite players on the team. He was one of the few guys on that 02-03 team that actually played defense. He was a great teammate in that he didn't back down and he would get in an opposing player's face if that opposing player messed with any Mav. I remember him going after Rashard Lewis in a hotly contested battle after a hard foul was administered on another Mav (can't remember which one). That's all well and good, but what he did tonight isn't worthy of my respect.

I remember an article written by Hunter S. Thompson back in the 02-03 Kings series in which Thompson ripped Bell's character. I did some digging and found it. Here's a bit of what he said:

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Now some jackass named Bell is trying to sock Bobby Jackson in the face. Jackson has a broken jaw and a fractured orbital bone above his eye. Incredible. How low do you have to sink in the slime of human stupidity to deliberately whack one of the classiest players in the league in the face when he has a cracked eye-bone and a broken jaw?

That is unacceptable rudeness. Bell is a knee-crawling, back-stabbing punk with the soul of a Rat and the heart of a filthy virus. The NBA should have him committed to a state Mental Hospital, and locked down with restraints until he gets his entire body dyed bright yellow, which will stay on his skin forever.

Excellent, eh? You bet. There is only One way to deal with a vicious Punk -- and that way is viciously. Take my word for it. I know exactly how to deal with human scum…

I remember thinking at the time, "Wow. That's harsh! Raja's a great guy!" Plus, I remember watching those replays and it was clear that Raja wasn't trying to hurt Jackson on that particular play. However, with some of the things I've seen him do this year, I can see a bit of Thompson's point.

chumdawg · 05-03-2006, 01:26 AM

I can understand that criticism of Bell. And certainly I'm not trying to say that it was a hard foul as opposed to a flagrant foul. But this is the playoffs we are talking about here, and the stakes are high, and no one ever said this was a gentlemen's game.

There is physical play every time Dampier leans up against Gasol. There is physical play when Dirk knocks Gasol in the face. There is physical play in these playoffs.

Because the stakes are high. As Nash said, these aren't choirboys out there. These are guys fighting tooth and nail for a championship. These are guys who will hurt you, man. These are Roy Williamses who will pull you down from behind and break your leg. These are Pete Roses who will knock you out at home plate and end your career.

This is not golf. This is a contact sport. And the dial has been turned up in these playoffs.

There is a gladiator element to it, yes. I don't deny that.

Male30Dan · 05-03-2006, 01:37 AM

But again Chum... There is a BIG difference in playing physical, (or even giving hard fouls), and what Bell did. He himself said it was a mistake so how can you back it. It was a stupid mistake and even he knows that... Apparently you are the only one that doesn't!

I guess you are just a lot more "old school" than I am... Personally, I don't think there is a place for that crap... HE CLOTHESLINED HIM CHUM... He clotheslined him.

chumdawg · 05-03-2006, 01:52 AM

You're damn right, he clotheslined him. Right there in front of God and everybody.

And I might add that he is the first person to ever take on the great Athenian god Kobe Bryant in such a way.

Of course he is going to say what he is going to say. That's all part of the scheme. Point is, Raja Bell looked the great evil monster in the eye and said: Not in this house!

That's a warrior, man. That's a warrior.

EricaLubarsky · 05-03-2006, 01:59 AM

I gained a lot of respect for Kobe on that play actually. The guy handled it like a warrior.

Male30Dan · 05-03-2006, 02:00 AM

I guess you just hate Kobe... That is the only way you could be saying what you are with a straight face.

I would rather a guy like Griffin that doesn't back down from anyone and plays tough and SMART rather than a headcase like Bell... If that is a warrior, I want no warriors on my team!

FreshJive · 05-03-2006, 02:08 AM

Will they really suspend Raja after letting Evans off the hook?

I thought it was hilarious, but I hate Kobe and love me some Raja.

Male30Dan · 05-03-2006, 02:15 AM

That is a good pont FreshJive... I guess I would have to call Evans' play more worthy of a suspension so he probably won't.

With that said, again, that junk has no place on an NBA court.

chumdawg · 05-03-2006, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Male23Dan

I guess you just hate Kobe... That is the only way you could be saying what you are with a straight face.

I would rather a guy like Griffin that doesn't back down from anyone and plays tough and SMART rather than a headcase like Bell... If that is a warrior, I want no warriors on my team!

Check your purse at the door, Dan.

rabbitproof · 05-03-2006, 02:23 AM

Haven't seen the play and did not catch the game but I don't think there's a place for blatant takedowns in the league - which is what it sounds like from this board. Hope they don't suspend him thoough, I'm looking forward to what Kobe vs Raja will bring in Game 6.

Congrats to the Suns!

Dirty 4
Filthy 3
Nasty 2

FreshJive · 05-03-2006, 02:27 AM

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That is a good pont FreshJive... I guess I would have to call Evans' play more worthy of a suspension so he probably won't.

With that said, again, that junk has no place on an NBA court.

I hear ya. It was definately reckless. It looked like he was originally going for the ball, and then inteneded to just stop Kobe's drive with a foul, but his emotions got the better of him and he finished it off too hard.

I'll admit that if it weren't Kobe I wouldn't have been so amused.

FreshJive · 05-03-2006, 04:32 AM

Never mind. I just watched it about 20 times (its just so horrific

). He never went for the ball. He was thinking takedown from the start.

u2sarajevo · 05-03-2006, 06:47 AM

You know..... that was really classless what Bell did, what a punk. And I have a feeling that it's going to bite his team in the behind when they play on Thursday.

That wasn't a clothesline, that was a frickin' mugging.

jthig32 · 05-03-2006, 08:44 AM

Completely classless. I hate Kobe, but good grief, how anyone could support that move without having their tongue firmly planted in their cheeck (*cough* CHUM *cough*) is beyond me.

mary · 05-03-2006, 09:01 AM

jthig32 · 05-03-2006, 09:06 AM

I like the lady in the stands with her hands to her face that you can see when the camera starts to zoom in on Raja after the body slam.

u2sarajevo · 05-03-2006, 09:21 AM

Should he be suspended? Probably. But I don't want him to be. If he is in the game at Staples Center I think that would be a positive for the Lakers more so than the Suns.

mary · 05-03-2006, 09:27 AM

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After Bell threw Bryant down, he pointed to the Lakers' bench and yelled, "That's your foul."

Is it possible for me to both applaud and condemn Raja's clothesline?? I'd like to take that option, if its there.

Five-ofan · 05-03-2006, 09:41 AM

i have always like raja but that play is just bs. I am all for hard fouls. I wish we would give more of them. If he had just put kobe on his ass fine but there is no place for that play in basketball. That is just complete and utter crap.

Male30Dan · 05-03-2006, 09:47 AM

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Check your purse at the door, Dan.

Yeah... That was called for...

I guess we should all check our purses because NO ONE AGREES WITH YOU!

mary · 05-03-2006, 09:58 AM

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Is it possible for me to both applaud and condemn Raja's clothesline?? I'd like to take that option, if its there.

Ok, I'd like to take that back..since the clip finally finished downloading (using dial-up at work). There's no applauding that one...across the throat...you've got to be kidding me.

Bell deserves much more than a 1-day suspension for that IMO.

sixeightmkw · 05-03-2006, 10:04 AM

It really seems that there have been alot more fights and shoves and dirty plays this playoffs then in years past. The Reggie Evans play, I forget who it was that just basically did a hockey check mabey the heat game on a bulls player, the continuous fights with the lakers and suns, stack getting into with the guy from memphis, Warrick acting like he is a badass shoving Dirk a couple of times. Just alot of fighting. I don't mind tough play, but this is getting out of hand.

Male30Dan · 05-03-2006, 10:28 AM

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Thanks for the explanation...

Male30Dan · 05-03-2006, 10:29 AM

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That is crazy... I thought there were SEVERAL other posts... I guess my mind played tricks with me when I saw your post disappear... I didn't think we could fully delete a post.

u2sarajevo · 05-03-2006, 10:35 AM

It was only one post... mine.

I deleted it because it was only a repeat of your edit in your post. I didn't see your edit. But yeah, I stated that apparently we all needed to check our purses.

I should have edited, not deleted it I guess.

Drbio · 05-03-2006, 10:37 AM

I hate koberapist as much as the next guy, but that was an assault. I loved seeing it sure. Nobody deserves to get beaten down more. However, Bell (if not before) has officially become a dirty player. That was pretty brutal. But I enjoyed it immensely.

Bell will get suspended for at least 2 games. Why? Because the league values the rapist more than Kamans balls.

madape · 05-03-2006, 10:40 AM

Crap like that should get you suspended... unless you do it against Kobe. Then I'm all for it!

Male30Dan · 05-03-2006, 10:44 AM

You guys all might think I like Kobe, but I really don't. In fact, I almost find myself hating him at times when he has that little "I am better than you" smug look on his face, (but I have more respect for him as an NBA PLAYER than 95 percent of the other guys in this league)...

With that said, this isn't about who it happened to, it is about the actions that Bell took... If Bell did this to Walton or Brown or whoever, he still should be punished dearly for it and I would still be on here just like this complaining about it. I hope he doesn't get suspended, but he should - just like Evans by the way.

It was a TERRIBLY stupid play and, while it unfortunately might be weighed into it, it shouldn't matter who he did it to.

Male30Dan · 05-03-2006, 10:45 AM

Ah the Kobe hate!

chumdawg · 05-03-2006, 10:50 AM

I could sit here and watch that video clip ALL DAY.

Drbio · 05-03-2006, 10:53 AM

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I could sit here and watch that video clip ALL DAY.

It is fun to watch isn't it?

Male30Dan · 05-03-2006, 10:57 AM

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I could sit here and watch that video clip ALL DAY.

Too bad our purses we all checked are blocking your view.

Jeremiah · 05-03-2006, 11:25 AM

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Male30Dan · 05-03-2006, 11:28 AM

Jeremiah, of course it is possible as that is what he said in the press conference pretty much verbatim.

That however does NOT make it right and he himself admitted as much. You might not be able to fault him for it, but a ton of others can. That shit has no place in basketball.

TripleDipping · 05-03-2006, 02:12 PM

Taken from the daily dime on espn.com:

Kobe and Phil, in fact, stunned observers here by making a co-plea to commissioner Stern to spare Bell from suspension.

"We want him out there," Jackson said. "We want their full team out there to play. It's the only way to do it. You have to earn what you win."

It came across as a noble stance, especially given Jackson's well-chronicled status as a pioneer in the art of calculated quotes at the post-game dais to work the refs for the next game. If you're looking for the ulterior side of it, maybe Jackson wants to make sure the home crowd has a target. Maybe he just wants to make sure Kobe's at his edgiest. Bryant, after all, also says he's rooting against a suspension, insisting that Tuesday's escalation in his season-long tiff with Bell "actually excites me."