2014 Offseason Thread - Page 9 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

mac222b · 06-25-2014, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

I like Ellington but something about Carlisle I didnt ever see him giving hard minutes to Ellington in the future, which is why Im okay that he's involved. Wish we could keep larkin though. I liked his energy off the bench.

Felton is meh...is he expected to be the starter? Wasnt he is some type of serious trouble during the season?

Threatened girlfriend with a gun or some shit?

Underdog · 06-25-2014, 03:44 PM

I wonder how far off Ledo is...

hayth.james.g · 06-25-2014, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

I like Ellington but something about Carlisle I didnt ever see him giving hard minutes to Ellington in the future, which is why Im okay that he's involved. Wish we could keep larkin though. I liked his energy off the bench.

Felton is meh...is he expected to be the starter? Wasnt he is some type of serious trouble during the season?

I would say Felton has absolutely zero chance as our projected starter going into the season. You never know what might happen in any given season, but yeah...

Melonhead · 06-25-2014, 03:46 PM

Something we relied on a lot last season, the 3, is nowhere in sight for this season.

Hope we can reel someone in that can bomb from deep.

EricaLubarsky · 06-25-2014, 03:46 PM

Gimme Okafor, Hinrich and Ariza and I will be a happy panda.

hayth.james.g · 06-25-2014, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Gimme Okafor, Hinrich and Ariza and I will be a happy panda.

Agreed. I think its important to remember how beneficial it was for Monte to have people around him to space the floor. Without it he is going to struggle. But somehow I have to think the Mavs have this covered already

mac222b · 06-25-2014, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Gimme Okafor, Hinrich and Ariza and I will be a happy panda.

Hinrich looks done to me. All in for Okafor and Ariza though!

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-25-2014, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Gimme Okafor, Hinrich and Ariza and I will be a happy panda.

Switch Harris for Hinrich (unless you're assuming we're keeping Harris) and I agree.

EricaLubarsky · 06-25-2014, 03:54 PM

Current team
Chandler/???
???/Wright
???/Crowder
Ellis/???/Ledo
???/Felton/Mekel
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35.2mill/63.2mill = 28 mill to work with

Dirk gets 10mill (18m)
Ariza gets 10mill (8m)
Harris gets 3mill (5m)
Okafor gets 5mill (0m)

Then re-sign Carter, fill the rest with minimum contracts and/or our two second rounders.

My ideal 2014/2015 team
Chandler/Okafor
Dirk/Wright
Ariza/Carter/Crowder
Ellis/Hinrich/Ledo
Harris/Felton/Mekel

spreedom · 06-25-2014, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

Is Crowder the starting SF in that scenario?

I guess so... either give remaining cap space to Lowry (have done zero work on how much that would be) or use the remaining cap space on PJ Tucker and a quality third-string center.

spreedom · 06-25-2014, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Gimme Okafor, Hinrich and Ariza and I will be a happy panda.

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Originally Posted by mac222b

Hinrich looks done to me. All in for Okafor and Ariza though!

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Switch Harris for Hinrich (unless you're assuming we're keeping Harris) and I agree.

Yeah, Hinrich is just terrible. I wouldn't be opposed to bringing him in as a 5th guard for the minimum, but I don't want him having any sort of meaningful role here.

EricaLubarsky · 06-25-2014, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by spreedom

Yeah, Hinrich is just terrible. I wouldn't be opposed to bringing him in as a 5th guard for the minimum, but I don't want him having any sort of meaningful role here.

He'd be playing behind Ellis, Harris, Carter, and maybe even Ledo, Mekel and Crowder. I'm not chalking him up to be a starter. He's more than qualified to be a decent second stringer.

Melonhead · 06-25-2014, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Current team
Chandler/???
???/Wright
???/Crowder
Ellis/???/Ledo
???/Felton/Mekel
-----------------------
35.2mill/63.2mill = 28 mill to work with

Dirk gets 10mill (18m)
Ariza gets 10mill (8m)
Harris gets 3mill (5m)
Okafor gets 5mill (0m)

Then re-sign Carter, fill the rest with minimum contracts and/or our two second rounders.

My ideal 2014/2015 team
Chandler/Okafor
Dirk/Wright
Ariza/Carter/Crowder
Ellis/Hinrich/Ledo
Harris/Felton/Mekel

Love everything but the PGs. But I dont have a solution at the moment.

Melonhead · 06-25-2014, 04:08 PM

Woj just tweeted Dallas giving up BOTH 2nd rounders. Not that we draft well but DAMN its starting to mount up what were giving for Chandler

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-25-2014, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

Woj just tweeted Dallas giving up BOTH 2nd rounders. Not that we draft well but DAMN its starting to mount up what were giving for Chandler

Unfortunately, centers almost always come at a premium. Chandler only having one year left on his deal is the real value here.

Underdog · 06-25-2014, 04:38 PM

Ariza's 3-point shooting and lower price tag are starting to make more sense than Deng in light of this trade... We just lost a sniper in Calderon and added $6m in salary.

rimrocker · 06-25-2014, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Ariza's 3-point shooting and lower price tag are starting to make more sense than Deng in light of this trade... We just lost a sniper in Calderon and added $6m in salary.

Was thinking the same thing and also now that we have a legit rim/paint defender we can focus on a SF who can guard the perimeter.
Ariza is beginning to make the most sense as long as we don't overspend.

EricaLubarsky · 06-25-2014, 04:41 PM

Really hope Dirk takes less than 10. Lots of options, but 28mill is going to go fast if Dirk wants 10+

rimrocker · 06-25-2014, 04:46 PM

I'd like to see Dirk take about 8 and then use the rest on Lowry (11), Ariza (5) and Okafor (4).

Lowry/Felton/Mekel
Ellis/VC/Ledo
Ariza/Crowder
Dirk/Wright
Chandler/Okafor

hayth.james.g · 06-25-2014, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

I'd like to see Dirk take about 8 and then use the rest on Lowry (11), Ariza (5) and Okafor (4).

Lowry/Felton/Mekel
Ellis/VC/Ledo
Ariza/Crowder
Dirk/Wright
Chandler/Okafor

Bro.... Ariza for 5? Lowry for 11? You gone mad!

As far as actually getting them.. you could work out a sign and trade since you still have Wright?

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-25-2014, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Ariza's 3-point shooting and lower price tag are starting to make more sense than Deng in light of this trade... We just lost a sniper in Calderon and added $6m in salary.

I thought it was only around 3 if Ellington was included? I'm still confused on the exact numbers.

hayth.james.g · 06-25-2014, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I thought it was only around 3 if Ellington was included? I'm still confused on the exact numbers.

It is: http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/maver...-chandler-deal

As far as Deng making sense less now.. I agree. I prefer Parsons if its possible for 12 mill per or under. His effeciency + youth would be welcome. He's a great team chemistry guy with zero issue of "contract year" looming over his head like Ariza.

MavzMan · 06-25-2014, 05:02 PM

Well, this crow doesn't taste too bad. I was dead wrong in the Mavs getting Chandler back. I never would have thought Jose+Sam essentially would get it done, but I'm super excited about it.

rimrocker · 06-25-2014, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

Bro.... Ariza for 5? Lowry for 11? You gone mad!

As far as actually getting them.. you could work out a sign and trade since you still have Wright?

I'd go to 13 for Lowry but not a dime more for Ariza. SFs are a dime a dozen in this league.
I'm sure Ariza will stay with Wash anyway and get paid big.
But we are in desperate need of a starting PG so give Lowry basically what he wants.
And we still have future draft picks to trade.

Just the addition of Lowry and Chandler would solve most of our problems from last season. May have created a few others but PG and Center are the most important positions imo.

EricaLubarsky · 06-25-2014, 05:08 PM

Anyone interested in Stephenson to play some 2/3? Push Ellis to the 1?

Don't think it would be too bad to pair Ellis up with a larger, stronger defensive player in the backcourt.

MavzMan · 06-25-2014, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Anyone interested in Stephenson to play some 2/3? Push Ellis to the 1?

I think this is very doable. Indiana doesn't seem to be thrilled to have him back no matter what Bird says. Just have to see what his price is which has dropped given his antics in the playoffs.

tap2390 · 06-25-2014, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Anyone interested in Stephenson to play some 2/3? Push Ellis to the 1?

I think we definitely need to take a look, but I would pursue Lowry first, Melo second, then Lance.

mac222b · 06-25-2014, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Anyone interested in Stephenson to play some 2/3? Push Ellis to the 1?

They would have to have been totally playing possum as far as Stephenson is concerned if thats the case. All we've heard so far is no interest.

Depending on who else is signed this could spell more time at the 1 for Ellis though.

rimrocker · 06-25-2014, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Anyone interested in Stephenson to play some 2/3? Push Ellis to the 1?

What is Stephenson's price tag?
If under 10 I'd be interested but Lowry has to be the main target at this point because we have a gaping hole at PG now.

hayth.james.g · 06-25-2014, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Anyone interested in Stephenson to play some 2/3? Push Ellis to the 1?

With Chandler in the locker room and Dalembert out.. I would be. If there is any team that can handle him its the Dallas Mavs now. I would worry about his lack of 3 game though....but I mean its about on par with pre Ariza contract year numbers right?

hayth.james.g · 06-25-2014, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

They would have to have been totally playing possum as far as Stephenson is concerned if thats the case. All we've heard so far is no interest.

Depending on who else is signed this could spell more time at the 1 for Ellis though.

Right now every single team in the league is playing possum on Stephenson. There's a good chance his antics have cost him some money which is only good for us. Look at Monte.

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

What is Stephenson's price tag?
If under 10 I'd be interested but Lowry has to be the main target at this point because we have a gaping hole at PG now.

It's hard to speculate on what Stephenson is projected to make. Use to you would have 3-4 terrible teams willing to pay a ton for a low character/problem child with talent. Now days it seems talent is secondary to character. I would love Lowry, but I don't think its going to be realistic to expect. I think more than likely your going to see Harris/Felton.

mac222b · 06-25-2014, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

What is Stephenson's price tag?
If under 10 I'd be interested but Lowry has to be the main target at this point because we have a gaping hole at PG now.

I think Stephenson starts right around 10. Higher than that and the Pacers blink.

hayth.james.g · 06-25-2014, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

I think Stephenson starts right around 10. Higher than that and the Pacers blink.

I think Stephenson around 10 million has real value now. Before I was skeptical, but Chandler changes that completely for me.

Stephenson or Parsons has real appeal now to me. Deng and Ariza both come with question marks just like Stephenson, and I think Stephenson's might be easier to address in an environment like the Mavs locker room. For Deng its much like Calderons issue. Does he fit? For Ariza its what kind of actual production are we going to see? Contract year is looming over his head. At this point it might actually be easier to nab Stephenson than the other 3.

MavzMan · 06-25-2014, 05:33 PM

I think the Pacer's are going to lowball him honestly. They made the trade for Evan Turner just to have insurance against Lance leaving. Turner is more of an offensive threat to go with the rest of their defensive minded players. He just didn't have time to mesh with the team prior to the playoffs starting.

mac222b · 06-25-2014, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

I think Stephenson around 10 million has real value now. Before I was skeptical, but Chandler changes that completely for me.

Stephenson or Parsons has real appeal now to me. Deng and Ariza both come with question marks just like Stephenson, and I think Stephenson's might be easier to address in an environment like the Mavs locker room. For Deng its much like Calderons issue. Does he fit? For Ariza its what kind of actual production are we going to see? Contract year is looming over his head. At this point it might actually be easier to nab Stephenson than the other 3.

If Dirk takes around 8 its conceivable to fit Stephenson(10-12), Marion(4m) and Harris 3.5. VC takes Room.

hayth.james.g · 06-25-2014, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

If Dirk takes around 8 its conceivable to fit Stephenson(10-12), Marion(4m) and Harris 3.5. VC takes Room.

^^^This^^^

We could also always do a sign and trade for Stephenson correct?

mac222b · 06-25-2014, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

^^^This^^^

We could also always do a sign and trade for Stephenson correct?

This is why having the ability to trade picks again is so huge. The Chandler trade screams "All In". Still have Wright, 2015 & 2017 first rounders, 3m cash, Ledo, Crowder as trade chips.

I reckon two first round picks could land a real nice player that could make Melo or LeBron look twice at Dallas.

hayth.james.g · 06-25-2014, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

This is why having the ability to trade picks again is so huge. The Chandler trade screams "All In". Still have Wright, 2015 & 2017 first rounders, 3m cash, Ledo, Crowder as trade chips.

I reckon two first round picks could land a real nice player that could make Melo or LeBron look twice at Dallas.

So what your saying is we are using Wright and two future firsts to trade into the early teens to nab Napier?

mac222b · 06-25-2014, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

So what your saying is we are using Wright and two future firsts to trade into the early teens to nab Napier?

Nice! Lol'd

sefant77 · 06-25-2014, 06:08 PM

Deng 10
Dirk 10
Gasol 8
Harris 3
Carter room

Stretch Felton