Mavs trade deadline and draft thread

[purplefrog]

Would you trade Omax for Drummond straight up?

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by purplefrog

Would you trade Omax for Drummond straight up?

Definitely not. He isnt making us a contender and who knows how much he moves thr needle. Omax is still a kid. I'd want to know what he can do before deciding what hes worth. Drummond is a move we could make in the offseason.

[saclare]

Drummond could be had with much less than OMax.

On PJ Washington, I think we need to look at more of what he'd do in a Mavs uniform. Has to be hell to play for such a shit franchise year after year for one, and two, the guy can shoot. He's been as high as 39% on threes and would imagine the efficiency of those would go up as he wouldn't be shooting as many and the quality of looks better with Luka/Kyrie. The problem is that if you trade Green, it gets pretty thin on the wing, but if that's what it takes, we could roll with DJJ/Williams there if both are retained through the deadline.

[saclare]

Also, I'm preparing myself for a minor move or two, or none at all. I think the FO might be practicing some patience here, as if we hold on to that last FRP, then they would have 3 of them at their disposal to revamp the roster to set up for multiple runs and not just this year. I envision that happening with another coach, by the way, especially if they stand pat and continue to lose, which they will with the current construction.

[sig]

would really like Bridges but he nada more than a rental since no Bird rights come with him. Pistons make a lot noise about him and have a ton of cap space next summer. He's from Flint and played for Sparty so I think odds he is a Piston next summer make a lot of sense. Go get stewart.

[Melonhead]

Per Shams Pacers and Mavs are discussing a player for player type trade involving wiggins.

I cant express how much Id rather have someone else. As said before he gives me lamar odom vibes. Had about 1.5 good seasons with the warriors. no team is getting that from him imo

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by saclare

Drummond could be had with much less than OMax.

On PJ Washington, I think we need to look at more of what he'd do in a Mavs uniform. Has to be hell to play for such a shit franchise year after year for one, and two, the guy can shoot. He's been as high as 39% on threes and would imagine the efficiency of those would go up as he wouldn't be shooting as many and the quality of looks better with Luka/Kyrie. The problem is that if you trade Green, it gets pretty thin on the wing, but if that's what it takes, we could roll with DJJ/Williams there if both are retained through the deadline.

I honestly don't see how PJ helps this team.

He doesn't rebound or defend and if you want a guy who does basically the same thing then John Collins fits that mode.

But personally I think the mavs need to focus more on guys who can defend and also help with rebounding.

I'm tired of one trick ponies like THJ or Christian Wood types

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Per Shams Pacers and Mavs are discussing a player for player type trade involving wiggins.

I cant express how much Id rather have someone else. As said before he gives me lamar odom vibes. Had about 1.5 good seasons with the warriors. no team is getting that from him imo

Who is the player we trade?

I saw a Grant Williams for Bobby Portis rumor. I'm all about that one.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

I honestly don't see how PJ helps this team.

He doesn't rebound or defend and if you want a guy who does basically the same thing then John Collins fits that mode.

But personally I think the mavs need to focus more on guys who can defend and also help with rebounding.

I'm tired of one trick ponies like THJ or Christian Wood types

He would immediately be the 3rd best rebounder on the team, and has the wingspan of a center, slightly behind Lively. Hes young, had 9 rebounds last night with 3 being offensive. Not sure where he cant rebound comes from. The mavs need size they are the second smallest team in the league.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Who is the player we trade?

I saw a Grant Williams for Bobby Portis rumor. I'm all about that one.

It wasnt specified in his tweet.

Hell yeah to Portis for Grant. Portis has dipped but any situation where Grant is gone is a positive.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

I'd do that. He's bigger especially with the wingspan, can defend, can rebound (better than anyone not named luka and lively). Little more up and down than I'd like but thats why he's gettable. Put up 43 on the jazz, Green will never. Although Green's corner 3 has seemed to come along.

Are we talking about the same PJ?

Dude isn't much of a defender and rebounding is subpar.

I would rather keep Green as opposed to only getting PJ back in return.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Bigger problem with PJ is trying to figure out how good a player really is on a 10 win team.

And he's not really that good on that 10 win team.

Like, if he was putting up star numbers, then it would be more enticing.

Perhaps he is a minor upgrade over Green, but I can't see the Mavs trading Green in that type of deal. They're gonna think it's too lateral.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Bigger problem with PJ is trying to figure out how good a player really is on a 10 win team.

And he's not really that good on that 10 win team.

Like, if he was putting up star numbers, then it would be more enticing.

Perhaps he is a minor upgrade over Green, but I can't see the Mavs trading Green in that type of deal. They're gonna think it's too lateral.

Thats a good point.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Bobby Portis, OTH, is a great attitude, pure work ethic player. Rebounds well and shoots the 3 well. He will be an instant fan favorite if that happened.

I see that as more of a secondary move though as I believe he would be more of a 5 than 4.

Absolutely love that kinda move though.

[purplefrog]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Bobby Portis, OTH, is a great attitude, pure work ethic player. Rebounds well and shoots the 3 well. He will be an instant fan favorite if that happened.

I see that as more of a secondary move though as I believe he would be more of a 5 than 4.

Absolutely love that kinda move though.

Would be very happy with Portis. Especially if it is Grant for Portis straight up.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by purplefrog

Would be very happy with Portis. Especially if it is Grant for Portis straight up.

Fake insider says Mil wants Josh Green.

Even if that's bogus info, I believe that's the crux of any deadline move.

You want a decent player? You're giving up Green or Hardy.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Bigger problem with PJ is trying to figure out how good a player really is on a 10 win team.

And he's not really that good on that 10 win team.

Like, if he was putting up star numbers, then it would be more enticing.

Perhaps he is a minor upgrade over Green, but I can't see the Mavs trading Green in that type of deal. They're gonna think it's too lateral.

I still believe Johnathan Issac would be a good cheap Pick up and worth taking a flyer on

He's terrific defensively and could play both the 4 and 5

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

I still believe Johnathan Issac would be a good cheap Pick up and worth taking a flyer on

He's terrific defensively and could play both the 4 and 5

Same. Bonus is he stands for what he believes in.

[BPo001]

Jake Fischer: Dallas is definitely looking at power forwards and I?ve been told Dorian Finney-Smith no longer someone they?re considering there. I?ve been told Miles Bridges no longer someone they?re considering there, but Andrew Wiggins, PJ Washington, those are two names I?m confident in. ? via Spotify

Marc Stein: I reported that there have been some exploratory talks between the Bucks and the Mavericks that would have featured Bobby Portis in exchange for Grant Williams. After my story published, I subsequently heard that Milwaukee would not be willing to do that as a one for one exchange. ? via Spotify

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by BPo001

Jake Fischer: Dallas is definitely looking at power forwards and I?ve been told Dorian Finney-Smith no longer someone they?re considering there. I?ve been told Miles Bridges no longer someone they?re considering there, but Andrew Wiggins, PJ Washington, those are two names I?m confident in. ? via Spotify

Well you're only doing Wiggins if they attach more assets and take stuff we don't want.

And PJ likely means giving up Josh Green.

Don't see a deal to be made. Fans are going to be pissed, but they need to live in reality.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by BPo001

Jake Fischer: Dallas is definitely looking at power forwards and I?ve been told Dorian Finney-Smith no longer someone they?re considering there. I?ve been told Miles Bridges no longer someone they?re considering there, but Andrew Wiggins, PJ Washington, those are two names I?m confident in. ? via Spotify

Marc Stein: I reported that there have been some exploratory talks between the Bucks and the Mavericks that would have featured Bobby Portis in exchange for Grant Williams. After my story published, I subsequently heard that Milwaukee would not be willing to do that as a one for one exchange. ? via Spotify

Phoenix is going to get a steal if they land bridges to that lineup

[purplefrog]

purplefrog prediction:

Mavs trade for P.J. Washington and send Grant Williams, Jaden Hardy, and a second round pick to Charlotte.

Just seems like a Mavs kind of move.

For the record, my predictions are less accurate than Punxsutawny Phil's (Phil is 30% accurate..so why do we care if he sees his shadow?).

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by purplefrog

purplefrog prediction:

Mavs trade for P.J. Washington and send Grant Williams, Jaden Hardy, and a second round pick to Charlotte.

Just seems like a Mavs kind of move.

For the record, my predictions are less accurate than Punxsutawny Phil's (Phil is 30% accurate..so why do we care if he sees his shadow?).

I absolutely hate that rrade prediction.

[BPo001]

NBA Central: The New York Knicks reportedly rejected a trade offer from the Dallas Mavericks for Quentin Grimes, per @SbondyNBA (Via bit.ly/493poMt) pic.twitter.com/776uPiXJzU 5 mins ago ? via Twitter TheNBACentral

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by BPo001

NBA Central: The New York Knicks reportedly rejected a trade offer from the Dallas Mavericks for Quentin Grimes, per @SbondyNBA (Via bit.ly/493poMt) pic.twitter.com/776uPiXJzU 5 mins ago ? via Twitter TheNBACentral

The Knicks are rolling right now

I wouldn't mess up their chemistry if I was in the FO

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Stein says we haven't talked to GS recently about Wiggins. So probably out on him.

Says our priorities are still Kuzma or Washington.

[BPo001]

Pistons big man Isaiah Stewart is another known target for the Mavericks, league sources told Yahoo Sports. Dallas was one of the teams to show interest in Orlando?s Wendell Carter as well, sources said, although the Magic aren?t looking to move him either. ? via Yahoo! Sports

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by BPo001

NBA Central: The New York Knicks reportedly rejected a trade offer from the Dallas Mavericks for Quentin Grimes, per @SbondyNBA (Via bit.ly/493poMt) pic.twitter.com/776uPiXJzU 5 mins ago ? via Twitter TheNBACentral

Why in the world would we be trading for a SG?
We have over a half dozen of them already with one of them being our second best player.
Kyrie/Hardaway/Green/Exum/Seth/Hardy/Lawson

That is the last position we should be addressing and Grimes isnt that much better than severl of the ones we have.

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Well you're only doing Wiggins if they attach more assets and take stuff we don't want.

And PJ likely means giving up Josh Green.

Don't see a deal to be made. Fans are going to be pissed, but they need to live in reality.

Will only be pissed if we dont add another player with size to the roster.

Think about it....we have only 3 guys over 6'9 on the roster.
One of them has missed over half the season, another is a rookie, and the other is Powell.

If Nico doesnt find a way to add another legit sized center, they'll regret it big time and we'll suffer the same fate as last season.

It is beyond insanity to not address our lack of size problem.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

Will only be pissed if we dont add another player with size to the roster.

Think about it....we have only 3 guys over 6'9 on the roster.
One of them has missed over half the season, another is a rookie, and the other is Powell.

If Nico doesnt find a way to add another legit sized center, they'll regret it big time and we'll suffer the same fate as last season.

It is beyond insanity to not address our lack of size problem.

Drummond!!!!!

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

Why in the world would we be trading for a SG?
We have over a half dozen of them already with one of them being our second best player.
Kyrie/Hardaway/Green/Exum/Seth/Hardy/Lawson

That is the last position we should be addressing and Grimes isnt that much better than severl of the ones we have.

IF they actually went for Grimes, its a Mavs type "wtf for" move. They dont see DP and Maxi as a part of thr problem apparently.

[saclare]

Kuzma -- likely requires the 1st rounder, so least likely to me

Washington, Stewart, Drummond -- I think we will land one of these three as it can be done without the 1st rounder

I also think they'll be really hesitant to part with Green. He's obviously playing well and if he can keep it up, makes the contract a bargain. He's also our only wing I have confidence in since DJJ has fallen back down to earth and Williams cannot be trusted at the moment, and is likely dealt in any move.

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by saclare

Kuzma -- likely requires the 1st rounder, so least likely to me

Washington, Stewart, Drummond -- I think we will land one of these three as it can be done without the 1st rounder

I also think they'll be really hesitant to part with Green. He's obviously playing well and if he can keep it up, makes the contract a bargain. He's also our only wing I have confidence in since DJJ has fallen back down to earth and Williams cannot be trusted at the moment, and is likely dealt in any move.

With Exum continuously out, Green is probably our best 2-way player.
It would have to be an enormous upgrade to part with Green.
I don't see Washington, Stewart and Drummond as significant enough to give up Green unless there are other assets involved.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by saclare

Kuzma -- likely requires the 1st rounder, so least likely to me

Washington, Stewart, Drummond -- I think we will land one of these three as it can be done without the 1st rounder

I also think they'll be really hesitant to part with Green. He's obviously playing well and if he can keep it up, makes the contract a bargain. He's also our only wing I have confidence in since DJJ has fallen back down to earth and Williams cannot be trusted at the moment, and is likely dealt in any move.

Report from Stein is Hawks want 2 firsts for Murray and Wash wants 2 firsts for Kuzma and would be better off waiting til the summer. That would benefit us as well since we'll have more draft capital.

Green is the do-it-all player that we thought Grant would be...although Grant isn't as bad as people think.

Mavs aren't trading Green.

[Melonhead]

After the week Josh Green has had, I dont think you can trade him anymore unless its a huge upgrade.

THJ Hardy Grant for a Drummond Isaiah Stewart or PJ Washington.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Stein says Hornets want Green AND a first. So that ain't happening.

So it looks more like a Stewart, Drummond, Boucher type of move. Or none at all.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Stein says Hornets want Green AND a first. So that ain't happening.

So it looks more like a Stewart, Drummond, Boucher type of move. Or none at all.

LMAO yeah hard pass on PJ Washington then. Wonder if Gafford or Portis is still on the radar. Rumor was they wanted more than a swap on Portis

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by saclare

Kuzma -- likely requires the 1st rounder, so least likely to me

Washington, Stewart, Drummond -- I think we will land one of these three as it can be done without the 1st rounder

I also think they'll be really hesitant to part with Green. He's obviously playing well and if he can keep it up, makes the contract a bargain. He's also our only wing I have confidence in since DJJ has fallen back down to earth and Williams cannot be trusted at the moment, and is likely dealt in any move.

Green has been playing great. At least in the last 4 games, 18ppg.

He had a big moment last night vs Nets. He had 2 tough posessions where Luka was doubled and he cut to the paint and DP crowded the space leading to a turnover. Another posession before that Green got caught up not knowing what to do in the paint. However, immediately followed that up with a decisive open 3 and drained it.

That was huge because teams are going to dbl Luka and if he wants to stay onnthe floor in those important moments, they have to trust him to make the right play. You cant get that experience by watching, you have to be out there even if you fail a time or two.

The Green doesnt play well with Luka theme is fading.

[SMC0007]

I wonder what Utah wants for Kelly Olynk. I'd happily toss them THJ, or any one of our back up bigs and some change.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

The Green doesnt play well with Luka theme is fading.

And that's it right there. If Green kept playing poorly with Luka, then it's bye bye time.

Instead, he is looking really good as another ball handler. Not dissimilar from Exum. Seems like guys in this position are destined to flourish next to Luka and Kyrie.