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Underdog · 02-02-2019, 10:38 PM

NBAfan1996 · 02-03-2019, 08:09 AM

I don’t think he will but if he opts out
With cap

sign Dragic in the summer?

KP
Barnes
Hardaway
Luka
Dragic

That team on offense could be one of the best in the league.
Defensively is where I’d worry. Trading Barnes for a more defensive big who can shoot the three pointer could make sense.

BigDog63 · 02-03-2019, 09:18 AM

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Wait, is that sarcasm?

Only way I could be happier is if we also dumped Barnes and Powell.

Don't understand all the Barnes hate I see here. He's been everything the Mavs hoped he would be when they acquired him.

Powell is seeing reduced minutes this year, but he's fine at what he does. Is everyone think we need a more defensive minded backup? Ok. But that doesn't mean Powell is crap.

Plus...blowing it all up might be good for long term...but next year would be all about getting the pieces to gel again. It takes time to build team chemistry.

BigDog63 · 02-03-2019, 09:30 AM

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OK, so what is NY's play with this? Just getting something before KP bolts this summer as a FA? Not sold KP will recover from the injury?

They get lots of cap space, enough to sign 2 max contract players. TWO being the key, I think...because why would ONE want to join this team?

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And is KP a complete unrestricted FA this summer, and do we get any early-Bird rights or anything like that? Trying to figure out why we just wait until the summer to go after him

He is a RFA this summer, I believe.

Why wait, when we can unload 2 contracts we wanted to unload? And weren't likely to resign DJ. Jordan has been a great rebounder, and fine with lobs on offense...but I got the impression Mavs were looking for more.

I AM concerned about the rebounding gap this trade leaves Mavs in...and not sure a Barnes replacement fixes that (without taking too much scoring away). What great rebounding/defensive/3 shooting PF is everyone thinking they can get?

On the other hand, I strongly believe rebounding is more want to/coaching than anything else. If you can play in the NBA, you can rebound the basketball, especially on defense. So maybe simple coaching is the real fix here.

This is one thing Don Nelson used to say that just drove me crazy: "we don't have good rebounders". BS. You didn't COACH good rebounding. If everyone blocks out effectively, how do you not get most defensive rebounds? Does it take a tremendous amount of physical ability to block out? No, it does not. It just takes want to and coaching.

rimrocker · 02-03-2019, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by NBAfan1996

I don’t think he will but if he opts out
With cap

sign Dragic in the summer?

KP
Barnes
Hardaway
Luka
Dragic

That team on offense could be one of the best in the league.
Defensively is where I’d worry. Trading Barnes for a more defensive big who can shoot the three pointer could make sense.

We'd also get absolutely murdered on the boards as well with that lineup.

I think the Mavs should concentrate on acquiring a rebounding/defensive Center or PF that fits with KP. With KP's injury history I'd like to have some insurance there as well.

I'm glad we got THJ before the end of the season because we'll have a chance to see if he is a good fit and starting material going forward. If not we can procure another wing in the off-season. We should be in decent shape on the wings depending on what Barnes decides. If he opts in we should be focusing primarily on a big imo.

EricaLubarsky · 02-03-2019, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BigDog63

Don't understand all the Barnes hate I see here. He's been everything the Mavs hoped he would be when they acquired him.

He did what we wanted when we got him, but he provides nothing of what we need now.

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-03-2019, 01:29 PM

Luka and Barnes don't work together at all.

turin · 02-03-2019, 01:58 PM

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turin · 02-03-2019, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BigDog63

Don't understand all the Barnes hate I see here. He's been everything the Mavs hoped he would be when they acquired him.

Powell is seeing reduced minutes this year, but he's fine at what he does. Is everyone think we need a more defensive minded backup? Ok. But that doesn't mean Powell is crap.

Plus...blowing it all up might be good for long term...but next year would be all about getting the pieces to gel again. It takes time to build team chemistry.

Barnes is an offensive black hole. He is Mr. ISO who fearlessly drives into 3+ defenders in the paint without a second thought to passing out. As for Powell, he's an overexhuberant empty stats guy who is a poor finisher and poor defender. Yes, he can finish lobs, but he needs to be able to do so much more than that, especially at his ridiculous salary. Oh yeah, he also spends about 20% of his time picking himself up off the court. :-O

Jayme96 · 02-03-2019, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

Welp Dallas just gained a ton of fans (and bandwagon fans)

I'm definitely going to start watching Dallas now. Porzingis has been my favorite player in the NBA for quite a while now, and I really like Doncic as well, so why not? If something appeals to you, go for it.

I think this trade is a slam dunk for the Mavs, assuming Porzingis comes back from injury 100%. I would think that being able to train with and learn from Dirk, and play with Doncic, along with what you'd assume is a lotto pick, #11 right now, could easily be #5 or #6 if they tank more, they could easily put something good enough around him to make him want to stay.

Underdog · 02-03-2019, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayme96

I'm definitely going to start watching Dallas now. Porzingis has been my favorite player in the NBA for quite a while now, and I really like Doncic as well, so why not? If something appeals to you, go for it.

I think this trade is a slam dunk for the Mavs, assuming Porzingis comes back from injury 100%. I would think that being able to train with and learn from Dirk, and play with Doncic, along with what you'd assume is a lotto pick, #11 right now, could easily be #5 or #6 if they tank more, they could easily put something good enough around him to make him want to stay.

Dallas traded this year's pick as part of the package for Doncic -- we only keep it if we end up in the #1-5 range, so we're gonna need a lot of help from the lottery balls falling just right... But we do have some cap space and a few tradable assets, so there are still ways to get better.

Welcome to the board, hopefully Luka/KP entertain for years!

BigDog63 · 02-03-2019, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by NBAfan1996

I don’t think he will but if he opts out
With cap

sign Dragic in the summer?

How would Dragic not have the same issues with Doncic as DSJ did? Luka is the PG...so what position would Dragic play?

What the Mavs need is a player who can defend the opposing teams PG, and hit 3s. That is not Dragic.

The Mavs need to construct a roster with a variety of wing players, and a couple of those need to be good defenders. A young Shawn Marion type would be perfect. Or a Bruce Bowen.

sefant77 · 02-03-2019, 03:32 PM

Dragic doesnt fit the timeline or the need. Im fine for the vet minimum, but i prefer to sign other guys with the cap space /exceptions.

We are pretty much out of assets to attach to expiring contracts in a trade, so the FA signings will be incredible important.

Underdog · 02-03-2019, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Dragic doesnt fit the timeline or the need. Im fine for the vet minimum, but i prefer to sign other guys with the cap space /exceptions.

We are pretty much out of assets to attach to expiring contracts in a trade, so the FA signings will be incredible important.

Yeah, I wonder what we can get with that $12.9m trade exception? Pretty sure it can't be packaged into a trade either -- doesn't it have to be straight-up for a player?

sefant77 · 02-03-2019, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Yeah, I wonder what we can get with that $12.9m trade exception? Pretty sure it can't be packaged into a trade either -- doesn't it have to be straight-up for a player?

Yes, you cant attach the exception to another player salary to make it work for a higher paid dude. You can just trade an incoming player into the exception (salary has to fit in, but dont know if its maximum 12.9 or the 125% 12.9m stuff)

Underdog · 02-03-2019, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Yes, you cant attach the exception to another player salary to make it work for a higher paid dude. You can just trade an incoming player into the exception (salary has to fit in, but dont know if its maximum 12.9 or the 125% 12.9m stuff)

Interesting... That certainly opens up some possibilities.

Jayme96 · 02-03-2019, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Dallas traded this year's pick as part of the package for Doncic -- we only keep it if we end up in the #1-5 range, so we're gonna need a lot of help from the lottery balls falling just right... But we do have some cap space and a few tradable assets, so there are still ways to get better.

Welcome to the board, hopefully Luka/KP entertain for years!

Thanks. I saw that it was top 5 protected, and that's not inconceivable for that pick to get to #5 even without luck in the lotto, and anything in the lotto has a chance. I'm curious what the future picks are that are in this deal. If this year's pick isn't traded, they keep having the option to it with various protections until '22 when it's unprotected I believe? The NBA likes to complicate these trades with so many contingencies.

I'm hoping so too. I lost interest in the NBA for a long time thanks mainly to LeBron's little pacts taking the competitiveness out of the league (I'm still steamed the Mavs got screwed by the refs in the Finals against the Heat), but the NFL's recent antics made me start watching more NBA and less NFL the last couple years. Problem is? The Bulls (my team from when I was a kid, as they were the closest thing to a local team we had prior to the Timberwolves existence, and my uncle knows the owner so he hooked us up with great seats to go see Jordan play back when I was in high school) are barely watchable if LaVine and Markkanen aren't playing. I'd like to watch a couple up and coming young teams develop, just as I did the Bulls in the 80s before they got rolling in the 90s. That could have been the Wolves if they wouldn't have made that dumb trade for Butler. I think that Doncic and Porzingis make this a very intriguing team to watch for the long haul. If the dominoes fall right (getting caps pace to land a FA this year, and/or getting a high draft pick, albeit in what appears to me to be a very weak draft), they could really be onto something. 2 superstars age 19 and 23 = a great start if they can keep them & avoid doing what the Thunder did.

j0Shi · 02-04-2019, 05:18 AM

Can't believe what trash organization the Knicks are. They even excluded media from official conference calls that were unwilling to adopt their narrative of KP being the bad guy? Then this whole bullshit graphic on their in-house TV channel to smear him: https://twitter.com/SBondyNYDN/statu...38559438536709

I sincerely hope KD, Kyrie, and whatever other big free agents will take a hard look at this mess and then go "fuck you".

mavsjunkie · 02-04-2019, 05:58 AM

Okay, we have our super stars, now it's time to build around them. We don't need any soft ass centers/players around them. We need tough SOBs, defensive terrors that can shoot the 3 around them. Go out and get that, and you're looking at a Championship contender. We don't need any more go to scorers on the floor, you crowd out your guys when you do that.

SMC0007 · 02-04-2019, 08:46 AM

Old Mavs in their Knicks debut.

DJ had a decent game.

Wes came out and showed the Knicks what we already knew.

DSJ was super meh

j0Shi · 02-04-2019, 09:38 AM

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DSJ was super meh

Was a typical game for him, wasn't it? Knicks will probably go through the same mix of praise and frustration like us. He had that one great play where he sliced through the paint and then dished to Knox for a wide open three, but otherwise really basic passes to shooters and not much true "playmaking". Plus the usual misses at the rim, trying to do too much, etc.

Based on what I'm reading everyone taking the "glass half full"-approach, but you know the MSG can get impatient rather fast. Oh and Wes won't stay on the Knicks I assume. Either traded or bought out.

SMC0007 · 02-04-2019, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

Was a typical game for him, wasn't it? Knicks will probably go through the same mix of praise and frustration like us. He had that one great play where he sliced through the paint and then dished to Knox for a wide open three, but otherwise really basic passes to shooters and not much true "playmaking". Plus the usual misses at the rim, trying to do too much, etc.

Based on what I'm reading everyone taking the "glass half full"-approach, but you know the MSG can get impatient rather fast. Oh and Wes won't stay on the Knicks I assume. Either traded or bought out.

It was basically a typical game for him. I expect him to have a slight uptick in his numbers if he is allowed to run the show. He has a lot to learn yet and still functions at a low level of seeing the floor and anticipating. Hopefully he and Knox can grow together and be successful.

turin · 02-04-2019, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Old Mavs in their Knicks debut.

DJ had a decent game.

Wes came out and showed the Knicks what we already knew.

DSJ was super meh

Yeah, I watched just out of curiosity. On Wes' first possession as a Knick, he was on the right side of the basket beyond the 3 pt line, put the ball on the floor, dribbled into 3 defenders and lost the ball. LOL He then bricked his first 4 shots. I laughed and quit watching after that. I am so glad he's gone. Now time to get rid of Barnes and Powell. T-minus 3 days and counting (also praying).

SMC0007 · 02-04-2019, 10:59 AM

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Yeah, I watched just out of curiosity. On Wes' first possession as a Knick, he was on the right side of the basket beyond the 3 pt line, put the ball on the floor, dribbled into 3 defenders and lost the ball. LOL He then bricked his first 4 shots. I laughed and quit watching after that. I am so glad he's gone. Now time to get rid of Barnes and Powell. T-minus 3 days and counting (also praying).

Some highlights. But the comments below them are a fun read. Ahhh Optimism.

https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dal...s-knicks-debut

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Wesley Matthews looks terrible, unless you are an opposing GM reading this, in which case he looks great!

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EricaLubarsky · 02-04-2019, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Old Mavs in their Knicks debut.

DJ had a decent game.

Wes came out and showed the Knicks what we already knew.

DSJ was super meh

League Pass was super sketchy with me and renewed my one-team pass with a pass for all games. My new past time is going to be to watch the Knicks.

Jordan was incredibly awful defensively. Had rebounds and had a few lobs inside. Nothing surprising.

Matthews tried to do too much. Still lost his man on defense. Went 0-5 on threes and then made one. Got so cocky he shot a three when the Knicks were making a run with 2minutes left and completely missed. Drained all the momentum.

Smith was just lost. Lots of blown layups. The Knicks were so surprised every time "ohhhh just a little too much English on that one" or "so close. Just rolled off the rim". That's pretty standard for him. He also had a lot of "assists" where the receiving player took more than three steps and he still got the assist. He didn't make a single play where he disrupted the defense and passed it out to an open guy. All his assists were passing it around the arc.

SMC0007 · 02-04-2019, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

League Pass was super sketchy with me and renewed my one-team pass with a pass for all games. My new past time is going to be to watch the Knicks.

Jordan was incredibly awful defensively. Had rebounds and had a few lobs inside. Nothing surprising.

Matthews tried to do too much. Still lost his man on defense. Went 0-5 on threes and then made one. Got so cocky he shot a three when the Knicks were making a run with 2minutes left and completely missed. Drained all the momentum.

Smith was just lost. Lots of blown layups. The Knicks were so surprised every time "ohhhh just a little too much English on that one" or "so close. Just rolled off the rim". That's pretty standard for him. He also had a lot of "assists" where the receiving player took more than three steps and he still got the assist. He didn't make a single play where he disrupted the defense and passed it out to an open guy. All his assists were passing it around the arc.

I thought he had 2 assists that he worked the PnR well and cut a pass out to open 3, One to Vonleh and One to Knox. But he these guys aren't going to change their stripes just because they changed jerseys.

The only one who has a chance is DSJ who has plenty of room and time to grow.

MavzMan · 02-04-2019, 11:24 AM

I'm sorry but it still just doesn't seem real. We got Porzingis??? Really??? I really love it when non-basketball people ask who he is and then I get to go into a lengthy explanation. So much fun!

I've had a Luka-smile on my face all weekend long.

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-04-2019, 12:00 PM

They were speculating on 105.3 radio that there might have been some meniscus damage as well in his knee, but I haven't heard any confirmation of it. I was just taking the top of my jeep and the radio was on. Didn't catch it all.

EricaLubarsky · 02-04-2019, 12:33 PM

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They were speculating on 105.3 radio that there might have been some meniscus damage as well in his knee, but I haven't heard any confirmation of it. I was just taking the top of my jeep and the radio was on. Didn't catch it all.

That would be new and perhaps even reason to invalidate the trade.

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The Knicks have indicated no meniscus damage discovered during surgery – which ... is a big relief.

-NYPost

They couldn't determine if there was any meniscus damage until they went in, but they went in a year ago and at least the Knicks openly said there was no meniscus damage. If they lied to the press and lied to the Mavs, then that would be a major scandal.

Jabari Parker has had two ACL injuries, and one with significant meniscus damage. The one that was just ACL was 11months or so. The one with the meniscus took more than a year (16-17months) to fully heal. Lots of guys coming back from that as good as new, but meniscus damage would put his return off a lot more.

BPo001 · 02-04-2019, 01:15 PM

I believe they said the press conference is at 1:30 today. KP is at practice today as well. Sounds like 105.3 plans to cover the conference (you can listen on the radio.com app if you’re not local).

BPo001 · 02-04-2019, 01:16 PM

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That would be new and perhaps even reason to invalidate the trade.

They couldn't determine if there was any meniscus damage until they went in, but they went in a year ago and at least the Knicks openly said there was no meniscus damage. If they lied to the press and lied to the Mavs, then that would be a major scandal.

Jabari Parker has had two ACL injuries, and one with significant meniscus damage. The one that was just ACL was 11months or so. The one with the meniscus took more than a year (16-17months) to fully heal. Lots of guys coming back from that as good as new, but meniscus damage would put his return off a lot more.

If Casey Smith signed off on the trade then I trust his opinion. He would absolutely do what’s best for the player first and the team second. If Casey says he can play he will.

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-04-2019, 01:35 PM

It was Mike Basik so severe grain of salt. Haven't seen or heard anything else with regards to the injury.

Although I guess it doesn't matter much since he isn't playing this season anyway.

Underdog · 02-04-2019, 01:38 PM

@treykerby: Kristaps Porzingis should have to get all of Dirk Nowitzki's haircuts at various times during his Mavericks career.

BPo001 · 02-04-2019, 01:38 PM

Few pics/vids of the new guys at practice.
https://1053thefan.radio.com/article...-practice-gear

Underdog · 02-04-2019, 01:42 PM

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-04-2019, 01:49 PM

https://twitter.com/dallasmavs/statu...2F%3FPage%3D36

Underdog · 02-04-2019, 01:58 PM

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https://twitter.com/dallasmavs/statu...2F%3FPage%3D36

Saw another video where Holger was in the house... I wonder who he's working with today? (other than Dirk, of course)

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-04-2019, 02:10 PM

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Saw another video where Holger was in the house... I wonder who he's working with today? (other than Dirk, of course)

I think Kleber really needs the reps. Man, if he can get his shot going, then I'm perfectly happy starting him next to Taps.

Lestat_1795 · 02-04-2019, 02:15 PM

Another angry New Yorker:

https://youtu.be/V_ufD31Ztlc

sefant77 · 02-04-2019, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Lestat_1795

Another angry New Yorker:

https://youtu.be/V_ufD31Ztlc

Garbage character resulting in a garbage video