Dallas Mavericks Offseason Thread - Page 99 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

ty · 07-07-2009, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMaverick

If Marion and Gortat are added to the team, we need to dangle Howard out there in trade scenarios for Joe Johnson or Caron Butler.

Major drool. I think you're crazy.

grndmstr_c · 07-07-2009, 12:19 AM

I feel pretty confident that Ariza would start in Cleveland if he went there.

TheMaverick · 07-07-2009, 12:19 AM

If Ariza goes to Cle, they would be the class of the NBA

TheMaverick · 07-07-2009, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ty

Major drool. I think you're crazy.

Howard / Damp / Williams / George for Caron / filler

dream big.

RoddyB#3 · 07-07-2009, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMaverick

If Marion and Gortat are added to the team, we need to dangle Howard out there in trade scenarios for Joe Johnson or Caron Butler.

I like both those guys, but Atlanta won't give us Johnson for Howard. Washington has already said they aren't interested in dealing Butler.

Underdog · 07-07-2009, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMaverick

If Marion and Gortat are added to the team, we need to dangle Howard out there in trade scenarios for Joe Johnson or Caron Butler.

I like Caron, but he doesn't make sense with Marion on the team...

Joe Johnson, on the other hand, is exactly what we want (but I don't see Atlanta trading Johnson for Howard as their franchise player - they're too good right now...)

esoteric562 · 07-07-2009, 12:22 AM

ohhh man, matrix in dallas? niceeeeeeee........ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgoXUzIwXk0

TheMaverick · 07-07-2009, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

I like Caron, but he doesn't make sense with Marion on the team...

Joe Johnson, on the other hand, is exactly what we want (but I don't see Atlanta trading Johnson for Howard as their franchise player - they're too good right now...)

Caron can definitely play the 2 if need be.

Underdog · 07-07-2009, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMaverick

Caron can definitely play the 2 if need be.

I actually think Josh is better suited to play SG (and I hardly think he's the best choice at the 2...)

Don't get me wrong - I'd LOVE to have Caron Butler, but I'd love to have him at the 3...

BGMaverick9 · 07-07-2009, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by StackAttack

Bucher says Ariza may be wavering on his commitment to the Rockets.

You know what's sucks for Houston fans more than this?

They have to look in the mirror and realize they're living in Houston and they're a Rockets fan.

grndmstr_c · 07-07-2009, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

I actually think Josh is better suited to play SG (and I hardly think he's the best choice at the 2...)

Don't get me wrong - I'd LOVE to have Caron Butler, but I'd love to have him at the 3...

Agreed. Josh is a very good player who's due for a good year IMO, is perfectly capable of playing SG even if he's not the ideal choice, and because of his contract could end up being a critical piece in netting the team a franchise-level player. Caron's excellent, but he's not a franchise-level guy, and he's less of a SG than Josh.

Johnson, on the other hand, is arguably not only a franchise-level player, but also a guy who possesses THE perfect skillset to fit into a Kidd/___/Marion/Dirk/Gortat lineup. I don't believe for a second that he's going anywhere until next summer, though. So get used to Josh sticking around for the time being.

CapitanObvious · 07-07-2009, 12:40 AM

Go get RIP next!

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 07-07-2009, 01:34 AM

Rockets and Suns miss the playoffs next year? LMAO @ that.

If only The Spurs could miss the playoffs some how.

mavs777 · 07-07-2009, 01:41 AM

I disagree Caron can play the 2 at a very high level and is a much better option at the 2 than JHO. If that would happen I would explode but I doubt Washington deals him

TheMaverick · 07-07-2009, 01:52 AM

Talent wise, Caron is up there with anyone in the league... on both sides of the ball.

MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs · 07-07-2009, 01:52 AM

Twitter

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mavs777 · 07-07-2009, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMaverick

Talent wise, Caron is up there with anyone in the league... on both sides of the ball.

yep imo the most underrated player in NBA he doesn't get the respect/hoopla he deserves

grndmstr_c · 07-07-2009, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

I disagree Caron can play the 2 at a very high level and is a much better option at the 2 than JHO. If that would happen I would explode but I doubt Washington deals him

Care to exercise a little more restrained on that one? Or do you enjoy invalidating your opinions with hyperbole? Caron passes better than Josh and shoots from range better than Josh, so offensively you can make the case that he's a better option at SG than Josh is, but he's damn sure not a "much better option". Part of the reason for that is that Caron is a rather subpar defender at the SG spot.

eyedentifyme · 07-07-2009, 02:01 AM

What about the Mavs trying to acquire Travis Outlaw from the Portland Trailblazers via a sign and trade? He has some good abilities. Would he be able to play SG for us?

rmacomic · 07-07-2009, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

yep imo the most underrated player in NBA he doesn't get the respect/hoopla he deserves

How many tattoos does he have?

Why is it that Dirk averages 35 point a night against Denver, but the frickin Bird-Douche gets the article in the Rolling Stone?

This league is fixed! If you want to compete in it, you have to play by it's rules.

Rule number one: appeal to inner city first! Think Thug!

grndmstr_c · 07-07-2009, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by eyedentifyme

What about the Mavs trying to acquire Travis Outlaw from the Portland Trailblazers via a sign and trade? He has some good abilities. Would he be able to play SG for us?

Travis Outlaw is neither a free agent nor a SG.

Where does some of this stuff come from?

eyedentifyme · 07-07-2009, 02:09 AM

My bad, I meant what do you think about pursuing a trade for Travis Outlaw. And it looks like the answer is a no, since he's not a SG.

grndmstr_c · 07-07-2009, 02:14 AM

Outlaw's not especially appealing to me.

That said, earlier in the summer I would have been in favor of a JET for Blake/Outlaw swap as a way of getting a couple of contributors, freeing up the team to use JJB in a trade if necessary, and alleviating some of the issues that JET causes re: size in the backcourt. Not sure I still feel the same way if the Marion trade happens and the Magic don't match on Gortat, since in that case I feel like JET's offensive skillset becomes a little more important, and his size/defensive limitations become a little less problematic.

Zki41 · 07-07-2009, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by eyedentifyme

My bad, I meant what do you think about pursuing a trade for Travis Outlaw. And it looks like the answer is a no, since he's not a SG.

Rudy Fernandez would be a better option

mavs777 · 07-07-2009, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Care to exercise a little more restrained on that one? Or do you enjoy invalidating your opinions with hyperbole? Caron passes better than Josh and shoots from range better than Josh, so offensively you can make the case that he's a better option at SG than Josh is, but he's damn sure not a "much better option". Part of the reason for that is that Caron is a rather subpar defender at the SG spot.

this is where your argument fails, Caron Butler is one of the top 10 defenders in the NBA and would instantly become Mavs best defender by far whether he plays the 2 or the 3

grndmstr_c · 07-07-2009, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

this is where your argument fails, Caron Butler is one of the top 10 defenders in the NBA and would instantly become Mavs best defender by far whether he plays the 2 or the 3

I seem to remember saying something about hyperbole.

jthig32 · 07-07-2009, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

His [Gortat's] defense is more than not too bad, he is one of the best post defenders in the league.

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Originally Posted by mavs777

this is where your argument fails, Caron Butler is one of the top 10 defenders in the NBA and would instantly become Mavs best defender by far whether he plays the 2 or the 3

wat wat wat wat wat wat

CapitanObvious · 07-07-2009, 08:17 AM

looks like bass may be coming back

LonghornDub · 07-07-2009, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

this is where your argument fails, Caron Butler is one of the top 10 defenders in the NBA and would instantly become Mavs best defender by far whether he plays the 2 or the 3

WAT

dude1394 · 07-07-2009, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Care to exercise a little more restrained on that one? Or do you enjoy invalidating your opinions with hyperbole? Caron passes better than Josh and shoots from range better than Josh, so offensively you can make the case that he's a better option at SG than Josh is, but he's damn sure not a "much better option". Part of the reason for that is that Caron is a rather subpar defender at the SG spot.

Per their 3pt% he does not shoot better from range than josh. Only at 31%

Underdog · 07-07-2009, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

I seem to remember saying something about hyperbole.

Um, I think it's called the "Hyper Bowl," and nobody was talking about college football - we were talking about Caron Butler being this generation's Bill Russell, duh!

(well, at least my 8th grade English teacher would appreciate that joke...)

sike · 07-07-2009, 09:12 AM

Really though, why are we talking about Butler? The Wiz aren't going to move him, right?

dirno2000 · 07-07-2009, 09:26 AM

Another thing to consider when tossing out Josh trades: he's coming of major surgery. Because he was able to play through the pain I don't think people (myself included) realized the extent of the damage in his ankle. Coop was talking about it a couple of weeks ago. Josh isn't scheduled to start playing again until two or three weeks before camp. That could make some teams leary.

jthig32 · 07-07-2009, 09:48 AM

Here's an *interview* (via text messaging) that Bob Sturm did with Skin about the Mavs off season.

My initial reaction: I'm fine with targeting Marvin Williams but sending them Josh for him just doesn't make any sense.

sike · 07-07-2009, 10:07 AM

Williams is not nearly as good a player as Howard at this point...I don't understand that move either.

dirno2000 · 07-07-2009, 10:21 AM

He's also a 6'9 SF so he'd probably have trouble guarding SG's. I doubt Atlanta would move him anyway. It doesn't make sense for a team in their stage of development to get six years older at the position.

TheMaverick · 07-07-2009, 10:36 AM

Link on Bass?

SMC0007 · 07-07-2009, 10:46 AM

WTf is all the non sense talk about Joe Johnson and Caron Butler? Anyone care to be realistic?

Don't go chasing waterfalls.. please stick to the rivers and the lakes that your used to..

StackAttack · 07-07-2009, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMaverick

Link on Bass?

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...e.339127f.html

TheMaverick · 07-07-2009, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

WTf is all the non sense talk about Joe Johnson and Caron Butler? Anyone care to be realistic?

Don't go chasing waterfalls.. please stick to the rivers and the lakes that your used to..

Have you not been around this board? That's how we operate... we throw out scenarios like it's nobody's business.