Mavs trade deadline and draft thread

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Mavs to pursue Dinwiddie per Stein.

Shams reporting it too. His numbers are down this season, but maybe he was being asked to do too much? I wouldn?t hate it if he came back.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by BPo001

Shams reporting it too. His numbers are down this season, but maybe he was being asked to do too much? I wouldn?t hate it if he came back.

I doubt they do it if Exum was healthy, but I'm wondering if he is even coming back this season.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by BPo001

I?m sure he will end up on the Lakers or another contender.

And by a contender you mean us

[EricaLubarsky]

If Mavs really trade Holmes, Williams, and the husk of Curry for Gafford, Washington, and Dinwiddie, does Nico deserve GM of the year?

[saclare]

Wouldn't mind adding Dinwiddie but would prefer they buyout Doe Doe.

Underrated aspect of the trade acquisitions...their contracts. Super favorable and affordable, fitting in nicely for roster construction and flexibility into this offseason. Washington's declining makes him more valuable IMO

2023/24 -- 2024/25 -- 2025/26

Gafford = $12.4MM -- $13.4MM -- 14.4MM

Washington = $16.8MM -- $15.5MM -- $14.1MM

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

If Mavs really trade Holmes, Williams, and the husk of Curry for Gafford, Washington, and Dinwiddie, does Nico deserve GM of the year?

The draft capital we gave up is nothing to sneeze at. Worth it in my opinion, but it looks a lot less like an outright swindle when you factor in the draft picks and swaps.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by BPo001

Shams reporting it too. His numbers are down this season, but maybe he was being asked to do too much? I wouldn?t hate it if he came back.

Spence would be awesome as your 3rd PG

He already knows the system and I trust him over Hardy

Exum is imo the mavs best wing defender so he will still be crucial in playoff matchups

He's big enough to defend 1-3

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

The draft capital we gave up is nothing to sneeze at. Worth it in my opinion, but it looks a lot less like an outright swindle when you factor in the draft picks and swaps.

Really only lost one FRP and got two seconds

Pick swap could be big if we draft 1 and OKC drafts 30 and those picks swap. Could also be a 21st pick for a 22nd which would cost us almost nothing.

Honestly I?ve been on the fence on whether we should blow it up and rebuild or go all in. With Luka, Kyrie, and some young guys with future like Lively and Green they decided to go all in. The worst scenario would have been to stand pat with mediocre trade assets while Luka and Kyrie countdown their contracts and prepare to leave.

Will it be enough to compete? I think it guarantees a playoff spot if we stay healthy and raises our ceiling by a lot. If we win a few playoff series maybe that?s enough. If things go south, Mavs will be terrible for 5-10 years without those picks, but we wouldn?t have been much better off with a mediocre squad and Kyrie/Luka getting less and less happy.

[dirt_dobber]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Really only lost one FRP and got two seconds

Pick swap could be big if we draft 1 and OKC drafts 30 and those picks swap. Could also be a 21st pick for a 22nd which would cost us almost nothing.

Honestly I?ve been on the fence on whether we should blow it up and rebuild or go all in. With Luka, Kyrie, and some young guys with future like Lively and Green they decided to go all in. The worst scenario would have been to stand pat with mediocre trade assets while Luka and Kyrie countdown their contracts and prepare to leave.

Will it be enough to compete? I think it guarantees a playoff spot if we stay healthy and raises our ceiling by a lot. If we win a few playoff series maybe that?s enough. If things go south, Mavs will be terrible for 5-10 years without those picks, but we wouldn?t have been much better off with a mediocre squad and Kyrie/Luka getting less and less happy.

Totally agree - our guy Nico did good.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

The draft capital we gave up is nothing to sneeze at. Worth it in my opinion, but it looks a lot less like an outright swindle when you factor in the draft picks and swaps.

We dont need to swindle teams. Obviously not saying you, but you read it everywhere "fleeced, roobed" etc. We did what we needed to do and improved significantly on paper...and we didnt fk ourselves while doing it. I dont think any of us thought we woukd get this much out of TDL. Many had resigned to waiting until offseason for any moves.

We still have to prove it on the court, but we are MUCH closer to contending than we were when we woke up this morning.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

I mean, they addressed our needs which is all you can ask for. The backup center thing came from out of the blue and was sorely needed.

But PJ Washington has a lot of question marks. Was he mediocre because of his team or in general? Mavs need him to be good and not go 2-11.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I doubt they do it if Exum was healthy, but I'm wondering if he is even coming back this season.

Everythings been so quiet with him, I do wonder if he comes back at all this season. Spence is good insurance off the bench.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Really only lost one FRP and got two seconds

Pick swap could be big if we draft 1 and OKC drafts 30 and those picks swap. Could also be a 21st pick for a 22nd which would cost us almost nothing.

Honestly I?ve been on the fence on whether we should blow it up and rebuild or go all in. With Luka, Kyrie, and some young guys with future like Lively and Green they decided to go all in. The worst scenario would have been to stand pat with mediocre trade assets while Luka and Kyrie countdown their contracts and prepare to leave.

Will it be enough to compete? I think it guarantees a playoff spot if we stay healthy and raises our ceiling by a lot. If we win a few playoff series maybe that?s enough. If things go south, Mavs will be terrible for 5-10 years without those picks, but we wouldn?t have been much better off with a mediocre squad and Kyrie/Luka getting less and less happy.

100% agreed on all. I think this puts them in position for the 5/6 seed, where if we stayed on the treadmill of mediocrity it was looking more like 8-10.

[BPo001]

Michael Scotto: The Brooklyn Nets are waiving Thaddeus Young, league sources told @hoopshype. ? via Twitter MikeAScotto

[MFFL]

Super pleased with our front office today.

Moved a PF that wasn't working for one that MIGHT work. Plus we got a backup center who WILL work.

We did give up a first rounder but we got one back with a pick swap that we also used. Unloaded the corpse of Holmes basically for free (we got O-Max to take on Holmes and we moved him without having to attach a pick). And we got 2 second round picks?

Excellent!

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by BPo001

Michael Scotto: The Brooklyn Nets are waiving Thaddeus Young, league sources told @hoopshype. ? via Twitter MikeAScotto

The Morris twin might be a sneaky pickup because as of r8ght now the mavs still don't matchup size wise vs bigger wings like Kawhi, Durant, George, LeBron and Porter.

Morris would probably be a better fit vs those type of wings to physically matchup as opposed to Green, Exum and DJJ.

It'll be interesting to see if the mavs value his size and defensive flexibility or Dinwiddie's ball handling and shot creation

[Melonhead]

Is there any scenario of overlapping some of their minutes where Gafford gets run at PF with Live at Center?

I know he?s not a spread the floor guy so it?s slim just imagining the idea of being the bigger team on the court for once lol

[SMC0007]

Lols

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/s...tqIDjZfzg&s=19


The Dallas Mavericks were 'determined' to part ways with Grant Williams after he 'rubbed a lot of people the wrong way,' per @espn_macmahon

Notably, he also switched his basketball sneakers from Luka's to Tatum's signature shoes

(Via es.pn/493XgsK)

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Lols

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/s...tqIDjZfzg&s=19


The Dallas Mavericks were 'determined' to part ways with Grant Williams after he 'rubbed a lot of people the wrong way,' per @espn_macmahon

Notably, he also switched his basketball sneakers from Luka's to Tatum's signature shoes

(Via es.pn/493XgsK)

Never would have guessed GW was disliked so much. I surely won?t miss him.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Luka saying he wanted a backup center for like three years is hilarious.

Dear Chosen One, you should have told them not to keep Dwight Powell.

[Melonhead]

He gives off a vibe that he has no care about losing a game that would piss me off. Win lose draw he just wants to make sure he had fun.

Not to mention he wasn?t in shape and made sure to repost any highlight minutes after losses.

Also he sucked at basketball. It made me pine for Reggie Bullock back.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

He gives off a vibe that he has no care about losing a game that would piss me off. Win lose draw he just wants to make sure he had fun.

Not to mention he wasn?t in shape and made sure to repost any highlight minutes after losses.

Also he sucked at basketball. It made me pine for Reggie Bullock back.

Think he was just mad Boston didn't want to keep him.

I didn't really have an issue with him other than his poor play though. A bit surprised to hear he was a locker room cancer.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Lols

https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/s...tqIDjZfzg&s=19


The Dallas Mavericks were 'determined' to part ways with Grant Williams after he 'rubbed a lot of people the wrong way,' per @espn_macmahon

Notably, he also switched his basketball sneakers from Luka's to Tatum's signature shoes

(Via es.pn/493XgsK)

Let's be real here

He was never worth that type of contract and they realized early it was a fuck up to pay him.

This wasn't about his locker room stuff it was about the mavs getting off that contract.

If he was producing they would have never said shit about rubbing people the wrong way 😂

[BPo001]

Read a report that Washington was close to accepting a deal from Dallas for Kuzma. No report what the offer was.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Let's be real here

He was never worth that type of contract and they realized early it was a fuck up to pay him.

This wasn't about his locker room stuff it was about the mavs getting off that contract.

If he was producing they would have never said shit about rubbing people the wrong way 😂

Probably. Though I think if Luka doesnt like you, youre eventually gonna get moved. He doesnt seem to just have issues with people for no reason. If you are a dickhead or not there to win or die trying, hes not going to be a fan. You take off the LD shoes and put on Tayum shoes, thats not a huge deal...it just looks like cuck behavior. But if you put on Tatum shoes after some kind of issue with Luka, thats not good. No one on the team is gonna jive with that. Its petty to even be talking about a shoe but sometimes its deeper depending on the situation.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Let's be real here

He was never worth that type of contract and they realized early it was a fuck up to pay him.

This wasn't about his locker room stuff it was about the mavs getting off that contract.

If he was producing they would have never said shit about rubbing people the wrong way 😂

That?s my take. He?s a lovable goofball.

But he was paid to take a step forward in his role? he was a limited role player for Boston who could defend some bigs and his some threes and we paid him to become a starter who could be part of the offense, defend, and even drive from time to time and he totally failed to be anything more than what he was in Boston.

Of course when you under deliver, those goofball antics don?t sit well with the team.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Of course when you under deliver, those goofball antics don?t sit well with the team.

Right you cant be one without the other. Nobody wants a goofball on the court when your play is trash.

Also this isnt the first time these reports have come up. Its just that Boston was so good it covered it up.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Locker room issues aside, DJJ just played better right out of the gate on a min contract.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Man, I'm kind of blown away how negative the takes are outside of Dallas. Everyone is blathering on about how we went "all in" on two mid players. They're just going on about the draft capital we gave up, and don't acknowledge at all the capital we got back. They seem to think we have absolutely nothing left to work with for trades for the next five years.

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Man, I'm kind of blown away how negative the takes are outside of Dallas. Everyone is blathering on about how we went "all in" on two mid players. They're just going on about the draft capital we gave up, and don't acknowledge at all the capital we got back. They seem to think we have absolutely nothing left to work with for trades for the next five years.

IMO they are "missing the forest for the trees". The players, on the contracts they are on and their age, are the new assets if you need to pursue a high value 3rd star type of talent. I think the mavs have set themselves up for flexibility on the court as well as in the future for roster building. You can't always trade for a pg13 type player with 4-5 picks. We are better now then yesterday morning and we have young players and after the pick conveys to the Knicks we will have a small amount of draft capital as well if we need to put a package of youthful talent and picks together.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

IMO they are "missing the forest for the trees". The players, on the contracts they are on and their age, are the new assets if you need to pursue a high value 3rd star type of talent. I think the mavs have set themselves up for flexibility on the court as well as in the future for roster building. You can't always trade for a pg13 type player with 4-5 picks. We are better now then yesterday morning and we have young players and after the pick conveys to the Knicks we will have a small amount of draft capital as well if we need to put a package of youthful talent and picks together.

Thank you for reassuring me that I'm not going crazy. Aside from the draft capital we have left- which is indeed limited, but certainly isn't nothing- I think everyone also seems to missing how young the Mavs are. Every important player who could be considered part of our "core" is 25 or under, except for Kyrie. Kyrie's the old man of the group, and he's 31. This is a very young, athletic team. Just a couple of years ago it seemed the Mavs were one of the least athletic teams in the league. Young, athletic guys like Green and Hardy and Omax are indeed tradeable assets. I know Omax has yet to prove he can hang in the NBA, but most big trade packages involve at least one "prospect." And most of our players are on pretty team-friendly contracts too. It seems to be the assets are there to make a swing for a star, if one becomes available.

It's just strange to me that a team can significantly improve its roster on both ends of the floor and yet the national media can still say they're trade deadline "losers."

[EricaLubarsky]

It's entirely too early to know if the trades will be successful. Even if the guys are the right fit, Kidd may be the problem and it could all implode. Still, we had to get off the proverbial pot and with two HoFers (Luka/Kyrie), a few young guys of note (Lively, Green), and a couple of guys who can be of note in the future (Hardy, OMax) it was worth it to bet on ourselves. We could have traded Kyrie and Luka for picks and statistically none of those picks would have yielded us a player of their caliber.

All I know is that:
1) a half-dozen FRPs have been waived in the last few days, which shows just how fickle FRPs can be. If our belief in ourselves is well founded, then those FRPs will be bad, and late FRPs have anywhere from a 10-25% chance of being successful which means the vast majority of picks fail. https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fi...9qxs_lfA4g.png
2) for all the talk of OKC winning the PG trade, they still haven't made the playoffs (although they are finally headed that way five years later). Rebuilds take time even with all the right pieces.
3) Teams with multiple lottery picks tend to be and stay terrible. Hornets have had four FRPs in the last two drafts and continue to circle the drain.

I, for one, am really hopeful that the short-term and short-term success can keep the core happy and the buzz going where we can add some talent in FA while some more future picks open up.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Man, I'm kind of blown away how negative the takes are outside of Dallas. Everyone is blathering on about how we went "all in" on two mid players. They're just going on about the draft capital we gave up, and don't acknowledge at all the capital we got back. They seem to think we have absolutely nothing left to work with for trades for the next five years.

I know, it's silly. We now have at least 20/15 from the center position now and a usable and versatile PF who is way better than Grant.

And if Dinwiddie join then we easily have the deepest team in the league.

And that's I think where the FO doubled down on which is depth. Our depth has kept us afloat this season through injuries and bad coaching.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

It's entirely too early to know if the trades will be successful. Even if the guys are the right fit, Kidd may be the problem and it could all implode. Still, we had to get off the proverbial pot and with two HoFers (Luka/Kyrie), a few young guys of note (Lively, Green), and a couple of guys who can be of note in the future (Hardy, OMax) it was worth it to bet on ourselves. We could have traded Kyrie and Luka for picks and statistically none of those picks would have yielded us a player of their caliber.

All I know is that:
1) a half-dozen FRPs have been waived in the last few days, which shows just how fickle FRPs can be. If our belief in ourselves is well founded, then those FRPs will be bad, and late FRPs have anywhere from a 10-25% chance of being successful which means the vast majority of picks fail. https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fi...9qxs_lfA4g.png
2) for all the talk of OKC winning the PG trade, they still haven't made the playoffs (although they are finally headed that way five years later). Rebuilds take time even with all the right pieces.
3) Teams with multiple lottery picks tend to be and stay terrible. Hornets have had four FRPs in the last two drafts and continue to circle the drain.

I, for one, am really hopeful that the short-term and short-term success can keep the core happy and the buzz going where we can add some talent in FA while some more future picks open up.

Well and the Mavs were terrible at the rebuild until they drafted Luka, so going all in right now is the way to go. I can't imagine anyone cares about a 2027 draft pick.

Where they could have been more patient was knowing they'd have three firsts to trade after we conveyed this summer. Then try to make a move for a star foward or back to Kuzma again.

I still think they can circle back to Kuzma though with a Green, Hardy, or Omax as the prize. People forget that those guys are basically like getting a first in return.

[purplefrog]

I am happy with the moves the FO made and think the national media needs to pull their head out of their..... anyway, CBS gives the Thunder an 'A' for the Hayward trade (will he stay healthy to play more than 10 minutes?) and the pick swap with the Mavs (they gave the Mavs a D+). Really? I mean did the Thunder do anything else that I am missing? Regardless, who cares. We will see what happens with the remaining games and then have a better idea of the winners and losers.

[MFFL]

Nick Angstadt
@NickVanExit
In 1 calendar year, Nico Harrison turned the Mavs Rotation upside down.

*Dinwiddie, Finney-Smith, Bullock, Wood, JaVale, Bertans, Theo

INTO

Kyrie, Lively, Washington, Gafford, Jones Jr, Exum, O-Max

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Man, I'm kind of blown away how negative the takes are outside of Dallas. Everyone is blathering on about how we went "all in" on two mid players. They're just going on about the draft capital we gave up, and don't acknowledge at all the capital we got back. They seem to think we have absolutely nothing left to work with for trades for the next five years.

The way I read it was IF things go south with Luka in a few years (it won?t) there?s very little draft capital to keep the team from turning into a bball wasteland.

[Melonhead]

Later it acquired P.J. Washington from the Charlotte Hornets in exchange for Grant Williams, Seth Curry and Dallas? 2027 first-round selection, with top-two protection. Charlotte had been unwilling to trade Washington without the inclusion of Dallas guard Josh Green, league sources say, but relented in the hours before the deadline. Dallas also received two second-round picks from Charlotte, which will be for 2026 and beyond since the Hornets had already traded away their 2024 and 2025 second-rounders


Nico cooked. Waiting it out holding firm in not giving up Josh.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

It's just strange to me that a team can significantly improve its roster on both ends of the floor and yet the national media can still say they're trade deadline "losers."

I haven?t seen anyone call the moves as losers. Well except Bill Simmons homer ass. Seen like warm opinions to great moves. And let?s be honest most of these people don?t watch the Mavs and know how undersized this team is.

When you add up Wood for a first, Grant for a first, and now PJ for a first, on the outside looking in without context, that doesn?t look great overall.

But we all know this team just got better. I honestly think they could roll with this group for the next 3-4 seasons.Wel see what happens with Kyrie but if he left you can obviously get a package back so I?m not worried there.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

The way I read it was IF things go south with Luka in a few years (it won?t) there?s very little draft capital to keep the team from turning into a bball wasteland.

I guess. But honestly, who cares? I certainly don't. If Luka leaves, we're f***ed no matter what. That's why I didn't understand people bitching about giving up a pick swap for Grant Williams seven years down the road. If we haven't made a serious title run by the year 2030, then we need to tear everything down to the studs anyway. If Luka does leave and the Mavs need to enter a full rebuild, it's not like you can't trade players for picks. We can scrape together a few picks if, god forbid it comes to that.