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oilfieldtrash · 07-01-2012, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Im assuming you're considering that the Thunder and Heat don't have great centers, but IMO that is exactly how you beat them. When Hibbert was on against the Heat it nearly turned the series in their favor...well actually did for a few games there.

There is no "overrated" position in the NBA as far as I'm concerned.

Last years mavs (Chandler), Celtic championship team (Perkins).

IMO get your points from another position and let the center clean up the boards. Too hard to find legit scoring centers.

Dnowit41 · 07-01-2012, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Even if we accept this as true, it's still not easy to find or sign those "bangers". Asik got offered 8Mil this morning.

I just need good D, HANDS, and a touch around the rim from my 5. (Looking at you Haywood!)

Bayliss · 07-01-2012, 09:21 AM

@Chris_Broussard: Source: Celtics willing to double (in terms of $) Heat offer to Ray Allen. Will give 2 years/$12 million. Heat can offer only $3 mill a yr

Well it looks like we have a baseline for Jason Terry's market value (IMO).

Bayliss · 07-01-2012, 09:23 AM

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine

Word is Nets' deal with Gerald Wallace, originally forecast to be in the three-year, $24 million range, more likely to be a four-year pact
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4m Marc Stein Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine

Nets and Gerald Wallace, as expected, are close to sealing first verbal agreement of free agency. No deals can be signed before July 11

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-01-2012, 09:26 AM

2/12 for Terry would be reasonable. Gut feeling says he wants more though.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-01-2012, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine

Word is Nets' deal with Gerald Wallace, originally forecast to be in the three-year, $24 million range, more likely to be a four-year pact
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4m Marc Stein Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine

Nets and Gerald Wallace, as expected, are close to sealing first verbal agreement of free agency. No deals can be signed before July 11

So 4/32 for Gerald Wallace? Good luck with that.

Skywalker · 07-01-2012, 09:31 AM

@WojYahooNBA The Nets have reached agreement on a 4 year, $40 million contract with Gerald Wallace, league sources confirm. NY Post first reported.

oilfieldtrash · 07-01-2012, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Skywalker

@WojYahooNBA The Nets have reached agreement on a 4 year, $40 million contract with Gerald Wallace, league sources confirm. NY Post first reported.

lol

Worst FO in basketball

Bayliss · 07-01-2012, 09:35 AM

10 million for Gerald Wallace?

Ninkobei · 07-01-2012, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Skywalker

@WojYahooNBA The Nets have reached agreement on a 4 year, $40 million contract with Gerald Wallace, league sources confirm. NY Post first reported.

Holy crap. This either means that they are trying to show Deron that he will have a team around him, or that Brooklyn knows they won't be able to keep him and are desperate to make up ground. Basically it means nothing, back to square one.

Also, dwight howard wan't a move to the nets? Maybe they plan on dumping lots of young guys to get him. If that goes through, I don't see why Deron would come to dallas. Ack.

LonghornDub · 07-01-2012, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Ninkobei

Holy crap. This either means that they are trying to show Deron that he will have a team around him, or that Brooklyn knows they won't be able to keep him and are desperate to make up ground. Basically it means nothing, back to square one.

Also, dwight howard wan't a move to the nets? Maybe they plan on dumping lots of young guys to get him. If that goes through, I don't see why Deron would come to dallas. Ack.

The Magic have nowhere near the assets to trade for Dwight, unless they can somehow get Brook Lopez to agree to an Orlando SnT (which would be truly bizarre on his part).

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-01-2012, 09:49 AM

4/40 for Wallace?!!!! And I thought 4/32 was bad. Wow. But see, that is what you pay when your team sucks. Oh and your gm is BK. In the words of the great Delonte West...cood-gracious-alive!

oilfieldtrash · 07-01-2012, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

The Magic have nowhere near the assets to trade for Dwight, unless they can somehow get Brook Lopez to agree to an Orlando SnT (which would be truly bizarre on his part).

I think Orlando will just opt for the cap space vs Brook Lopez.

Underdog · 07-01-2012, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Skywalker

@WojYahooNBA The Nets have reached agreement on a 4 year, $40 million contract with Gerald Wallace, league sources confirm. NY Post first reported.

LOLNETS.

I figured Shawn Marion's old-CBA contract ($9M/year) would be the HIGH watermark for a guy like Gerald Wallace, but the Nets seem to have different ideas about how to spend money in this new fiscal climate... Is there a trade for Dwight Howard brewing, and is Orlando dumb enough to bite?

BPo001 · 07-01-2012, 10:03 AM

What does the Nets financial situation look like with Wallace's contract? Can they afford to max Deron and Dwight? Any idea what JKidd is looking for contact wise?

Ninkobei · 07-01-2012, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

LOLNETS.

I figured Shawn Marion's old-CBA contract ($9M/year) would be the HIGH watermark for a guy like Gerald Wallace, but the Nets seem to have different ideas about how to spend money in this new fiscal climate... Is there a trade for Dwight Howard brewing, and is Orlando dumb enough to bite?

Orlando may not have a choice. They can either trade Dwight or he opts out and signs with Brooklyn anyway. At least this way he's not pulling a LeBron and causing his team to become lottery.

LonghornDub · 07-01-2012, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Ninkobei

Orlando may not have a choice. They can either trade Dwight or he opts out and signs with Brooklyn anyway. At least this way he's not pulling a LeBron and causing his team to become lottery.

Dwight can't opt out.....

LonghornDub · 07-01-2012, 10:12 AM

*edit* DP

oilfieldtrash · 07-01-2012, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

LOLNETS.

I figured Shawn Marion's old-CBA contract ($9M/year) would be the HIGH watermark for a guy like Gerald Wallace, but the Nets seem to have different ideas about how to spend money in this new fiscal climate... Is there a trade for Dwight Howard brewing, and is Orlando dumb enough to bite?

Huh? Shawn Marion was an allstar caliber player in Phoenix and one of the top defenders in the NBA last year. GW has never been more than a mid level exception guy IMO.

Underdog · 07-01-2012, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Ninkobei

Orlando may not have a choice. They can either trade Dwight or he opts out and signs with Brooklyn anyway. At least this way he's not pulling a LeBron and causing his team to become lottery.

Letting Howard walk and getting nothing but cap space in return is a helluva lot better than paying a 30-year-old Gerald Wallace $40M over the next 4 years while you're trying to rebuild... And adding a high-dollar, injury-prone, poor-rebounding center like Lopez doesn't make the deal any sweeter.

Underdog · 07-01-2012, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by oilfieldtrash

Huh? Shawn Marion was an allstar caliber player in Phoenix and one of the top defenders in the NBA last year. GW has never been more than a mid level exception guy IMO.

You're not disagreeing with me...

Skywalker · 07-01-2012, 10:16 AM

lmao

rabbitproof · 07-01-2012, 10:25 AM

Ray Allen will help set the market for JET.

alby · 07-01-2012, 10:34 AM

I have a feeling that JET is about to get paid.

roadrunner · 07-01-2012, 10:37 AM

If the 2/12 for Ray Allen is correct then I think JET will get more than that. He is younger and more durable at this point.

Underdog · 07-01-2012, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by rabbitproof

Ray Allen will help set the market for JET.

If 2/12 is all it takes to keep Terry, then I'd definitely re-sign him... But the impression I get is that he wants closer to $20M over two or three seasons.

alby · 07-01-2012, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

If 2/12 is all it takes to keep Terry, then I'd definitely re-sign him... But the impression I get is that he wants closer to $20M over two or three seasons.

Agreed. It's going to be closer to 10/yr than 6/yr.

Underdog · 07-01-2012, 11:37 AM

Denver Makes Qualifying Offer To JaVale McGee

Underdog · 07-01-2012, 11:54 AM

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David Locke: Portland has given Indiana the Utah treatment - Roy Hibbert gets a 58M offer sheet from the Blazers, Pacers can match

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Underdog · 07-01-2012, 11:59 AM

Knicks looking into sign and trade for Nash

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Marc Stein: Raps still meeting w/Steve Nash in NYC as we speak. Told Raps already trying to trade Calderon so amnesty not needed on expiring deal

LonghornDub · 07-01-2012, 12:00 PM

Still laughing at Fish's take that the Mavs would ever be in the running for Hibbert.

Jon · 07-01-2012, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

Portland offered Roy Hibbert the max last night.

Batum was offered near max by the Wolves last night.

I don't get that. Wolves just drafted a SF with the 2nd overall pick and Wesley Johnson with the 4th a year before.

jthig32 · 07-01-2012, 12:20 PM

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I don't get that. Wolves just drafted a SF with the 2nd overall pick and Wesley Johnson with the 4th a year before.

Wesley Johnson is terrible. That's part of it.

grndmstr_c · 07-01-2012, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jon

I don't get that. Wolves just drafted a SF with the 2nd overall pick and Wesley Johnson with the 4th a year before.

I find the fact that Batum is getting a near-max offer far stranger tidings than the fact that the Wolves are looking for a SF.

pepe · 07-01-2012, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Skywalker

@WojYahooNBA The Nets have reached agreement on a 4 year, $40 million contract with Gerald Wallace, league sources confirm. NY Post first reported.

What am I missing? I thought the new CBA with stiffer penalties (luxury tax) will bring players salary downs considerably but with Wallace getting 4/40 rumors of Asik at 8/year and even Nash at 12/year, It looks as business as usual. I am so glad the Mavericks are not getting involved.

Maybe the best bargains will be max contract kind of players.

BGMaverick9 · 07-01-2012, 12:46 PM

Would you rather have Asik at 4/40 or Hibbert at 4/58?

EricaLubarsky · 07-01-2012, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

You forgot Carter or you figured him to be the ghost of Stack.

thats funny. My bad.

jthig32 · 07-01-2012, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by pepe

What am I missing? I thought the new CBA with stiffer penalties (luxury tax) will bring players salary downs considerably but with Wallace getting 4/40 rumors of Asik at 8/year and even Nash at 12/year, It looks as business as usual. I am so glad the Mavericks are not getting involved.

Maybe the best bargains will be max contract kind of players.

The harsher LT pentalties don't kick in until next season. GM's are being short sighted, which is nothing new.

Max contract players that are actually worth it have always been the best bargain in the NBA, and will continue to be.

pepe · 07-01-2012, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Would you rather have Asik at 4/40 or Hibbert at 4/58?

Hibbert 4/58 by a mile

chumdawg · 07-01-2012, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

The question of Deron's max-worthiness is legitimate. But to question it by holding it up against Dragic at 10 and Asik at 8 as a loftier ideal of money well spent doesn't make any sense.

I don't get where you're coming from here. Are you saying that Dragic and Asik combined are nowhere near the quality that Williams is by himself?