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GermanStandard · 07-03-2013, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

Setting up for another horrendous offseason

Exactly what im thinking.

Over the last 2 years giving away the only good trade assets in Chandler, Brewer, Barea, Butler and Terry ALL for the hunt of DWill, CP3 and D12 and now it looks like the Haunt failed. What a misery by Cuban.

Dirk will be pissed that Cuban gave away his friends and a Championship Team for standing around with empty hands now (if Dwight doesnt come)

sefant77 · 07-03-2013, 08:20 AM

There is nothing new, it was pretty obvious since months that the team which is able to get Dwight&Smith is the frontrunner. That was the Houston advantage after the really nice season Asik had and the Hawks would glady take him to have their future FC Horford/Asik.

So lets see what happens. If we are able to pull the S&T im fine with overpaying Smith because it would work well with Dirk. Add guys like Carter/Morrow as SG and a solid PG and you have a great balanced team.

Just sucks that if Dwight doesnt come we wasted the first five days of free agency. Because Plan B would be building a balanced team and sign 1-2 nice guys this summer and 1-2 in 2014 and potential targets like Allen/Iggy etc will be allready locked up...

Bayliss · 07-03-2013, 08:23 AM

If Howard doesn't sign, Cuban better not play the rental game again this year. He has to get trading assets, and that only comes with signing players for longer than one year.

nowhereman · 07-03-2013, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by GermanStandard

Teaming up with great young guys and a Top 10 Player (maybe even Top 5 next season) with Harden against a not even signed with Dallas Iggy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmx5lzacZ-M

twelli · 07-03-2013, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DTownKidd

2 mill less than the max?? Sorry but he is going I take wayyyy less. If Dirk hit FA next year no one would give him that much. I say give him 5 mill/yr.

Dwight not Dirk...

j0Shi · 07-03-2013, 08:49 AM

Sounds like Friday is the day.

sefant77 · 07-03-2013, 08:49 AM

lol Harden isnt a Top10 player and for sure wont be a Top-5.

Guy coming off two terrible playoff exit series, his skillset is limited and he doesnt make his teammates better in a way superstars do

Dirk's Knee · 07-03-2013, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

lol Harden isnt a Top10 player and for sure wont be a Top-5.

Guy coming off two terrible playoff exit series, his skillset is limited and he doesn't make his teammates better in a way superstars do

Have you actually watched him play? I'd put him in the top 10, and in the Top 5 among shooting guards. Plus he's only 23 which means he'll probably continue to improve for the next 4 years. He certainly choked in a huge way in the finals against the Heat last year, but with Houston in the post season he averaged 26.3 PPG with a 20.8 PER (his PER for the season was 23, which ranks 11th overall and 3rd among shooting guards). He's FG% looked bad but part of that was OKC knowing his game and putting him on the line. Perhaps the most telling stat is looking at estimated wins added for the 12/13 season where he ranked 4th among all players at 18.6 (behind Lebron, Durant, and Bryant).

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-03-2013, 09:45 AM

Woj's latest Howard article basically says the Rockets are the frontrunners, but he is still giving consideration to the Lakers. Sigh...

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The Rockets remain frontrunners for Howard, but Howard is still giving consideration to remaining with the Los Angeles Lakers, sources said.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--dw...medium=twitter

LonghornDub · 07-03-2013, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Woj's latest Howard article basically says the Rockets are the frontrunners, but he is still giving consideration to the Lakers. Sigh...

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--dw...medium=twitter

Yeah, coming from Woj, that stings.

mavs777 · 07-03-2013, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by GermanStandard

Exactly what im thinking.

Over the last 2 years giving away the only good trade assets in Chandler, Brewer, Barea, Butler and Terry ALL for the hunt of DWill, CP3 and D12 and now it looks like the Haunt failed. What a misery by Cuban.

Dirk will be pissed that Cuban gave away his friends and a Championship Team for standing around with empty hands now (if Dwight doesnt come)

Hate to break it to you but signing players to terrible contracts (butler, bare, and terry make them not assets anymore

CanadianMavsFan · 07-03-2013, 10:09 AM

Hopefully he makes it by Friday so the Mavericks can move on quickly to Plan B.

Murphy3 · 07-03-2013, 10:09 AM

Bottom line is that the last two off seasons have been bad for the mavs. We'll have to wait and see on this one. I'm not remotely hopeful.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-03-2013, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

Hate to break it to you but signing players to terrible contracts (butler, bare, and terry make them not assets anymore

It really all depends. Butler helped the Clippers get Reddick and Dudley. Crash helped get KG and Pierce. If Crash and his terrible contract can be moved, then any contract can be moved as far as I'm concerned.

grndmstr_c · 07-03-2013, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Yeah, coming from Woj, that stings.

Time will tell, but Woj has tied himself to the Houston-as-front-runner story so much that I'm not sure that deserves to be considered new info. I mean, he's clearly got his money on them, and if you're copying someone else's bets he's not a bad one to copy, but he placed that bet before free agency even started.

Dirk's Knee · 07-03-2013, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

It really all depends. Butler helped the Clippers get Reddick and Dudley. Crash helped get KG and Pierce. If Crash and his terrible contract can be moved, then any contract can be moved as far as I'm concerned.

Well, teams will often bundle a bad contract with a second much more desirable and typically under valued player. There are the rare cases where a team will take on an expiring bad contract bundled with picks, but the idea that a Butler or Terry alone has much value as a trade asset based on their contracts only applies to very desperate teams looking to shed even worse contracts.

mavs777 · 07-03-2013, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

It really all depends. Butler helped the Clippers get Reddick and Dudley. Crash helped get KG and Pierce. If Crash and his terrible contract can be moved, then any contract can be moved as far as I'm concerned.

Butler and crash were both filler to make deals work money wise

twelli · 07-03-2013, 10:32 AM

Sefko: "Howard would clearly be the main superstar if he joins the Mavericks. The same cannot be said in Houston, where James Harden has entrenched himself as the go-to man who touches the ball on virtually every possession. Or in LA, where Kobe Bryant will continue to be the Lakers’ franchise icon."

http://mavsblog.dallasnews.com/2013/...the-mark.html/

I find the way Sefko puts it rather unfortunate. Dirk will still be there, right? But he won't be a main superstar nor a franchise icon anymore?

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-03-2013, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

Butler and crash were both filler to make deals work money wise

They still became assets in a sense. Matching money in trades is half the battle.

SMC0007 · 07-03-2013, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

When have we ever added a "great player" though?

41. Why pick a tiny piece of this post apart? What's your point?

mavs777 · 07-03-2013, 11:23 AM

None of the second tier players (josh smith, iguodala, Bynum) or PG's have agreed to deals yet, people need to relax.

rabbitproof · 07-03-2013, 11:29 AM

We are clearly the underdog. Best prepare plan B.

SMC0007 · 07-03-2013, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

None of the second tier players (josh smith, iguodala, Bynum) or PG's have agreed to deals yet, people need to relax.

Yea, it's tearfest with some because Dwight wasn't piggy backing Dirk out of the MAvs meeting room yesterday with a Mav jersey on.

With others it's about how we are wasting our time with Dwight and missing out on all the JJ Reddick's and Jared Dudleys.

Most of these fellow posters have no real game plan on what they would like to do, they just wanna be the first ones to say "I told ya we were gonna be disappointed and this was gonna be a horrible offseason" as if every team in the entire league can win in FA and we are somehow gonna be one of only a few teams to find a way to lose out.

Murphy3 · 07-03-2013, 11:38 AM

Seriously... You think people want to be first to say that? More than anything, I am just mentally preparing myself for what I believe will happen

bobdole22 · 07-03-2013, 11:41 AM

I agree. It's totally time wasting. It's almost like we shouldn't go after them in the first place. Being the "2nd most likely person" to get a top free agent actually puts you in one of the worst positions in the league.

Think about it. Last year, we were the 2nd team Deron Williams considered, and look what happened. We sit around waiting a week, for the selfish stars to make up their mind. Meanwhile all of our cap room goes to waste because we use all of our time and resources on him, and all other free agents get grabbed. Leaving us with scraps. (Collison, Kaman, Mayo)

Same thing with Dwight. He most likely will not answer for waaaay too long. Now we will lose all of our other top choices during the wait. I hope we learned from last year and are secretly talking to other players as frequently as possible. I'm not sure why they would wait around though.

grndmstr_c · 07-03-2013, 11:42 AM

^^^That sequence of posts cracks me up.

Bayliss · 07-03-2013, 11:54 AM

It isn't about missing out on players for me. It is about "powder" that I'm tired of hearing. Cuban has this idea that powder will bring in big FAs. But most FAs like to go where there is some talent already on the roster (or at least some young players who have hope). They don't like going to a stripped down roster.

The Mavs have to sign someone long term this year. Now it may not make them contenders but they have to get SOMEONE so they can use that signing later on for something more useful.

That is EXACTLY what Nellie did with Walker. He flipped Walker for Terry. And that is the problem with Cuban's thinking (IMO). You have to have something in order to work with other teams for something else.

LonghornDub · 07-03-2013, 12:46 PM

Interesting:

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Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 2m
Still teams interested in further making their cases to Dwight Howard, but appears he's shutting it all down to decide now, sources tell Y!

DirkFTW · 07-03-2013, 12:49 PM

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Interesting:

mavs777 · 07-03-2013, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

It isn't about missing out on players for me. It is about "powder" that I'm tired of hearing. Cuban has this idea that powder will bring in big FAs. But most FAs like to go where there is some talent already on the roster (or at least some young players who have hope). They don't like going to a stripped down roster.

The Mavs have to sign someone long term this year. Now it may not make them contenders but they have to get SOMEONE so they can use that signing later on for something more useful.

That is EXACTLY what Nellie did with Walker. He flipped Walker for Terry. And that is the problem with Cuban's thinking (IMO). You have to have something in order to work with other teams for something else.

You just explained the big elephant in the room and that is dirk's contract, with it being reasonable next year they will be able to get assets going forward

CanadianMavsFan · 07-03-2013, 01:32 PM

Confirmed by Adam Schefter that the decision will indeed be made Friday. Apparently it is still "totally up in the air". Let's hope for a dead two days in between that time period so even if Dwight jobs the Mavs they can sort their shit out.

Murphy3 · 07-03-2013, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

You just explained the big elephant in the room and that is dirk's contract, with it being reasonable next year they will be able to get assets going forward

the Mavs could have done something about that I suppose on the 30th of June...

mavs777 · 07-03-2013, 01:53 PM

Seems like stein thinks we have a shot

tsar · 07-03-2013, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

Seems like stein thinks we have a shot

What did he say?

mavs777 · 07-03-2013, 01:59 PM

Look at his tweets I'm on my phone

DirkFTW · 07-03-2013, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

Seems like stein thinks we have a shot

Why am I suddenly picturing Jim Carrey with a bowl-cut?

MavsFTR · 07-03-2013, 02:02 PM

@ESPNSteinLine: Rockets/Mavs clearly still have better shot to steal Dwight from Lakers than Warriors. But Dubs, I'm told, have forced way into conversation

yahyes · 07-03-2013, 02:11 PM

Then our leverage over Houston would be big options for next year and Carlisle.

sefant77 · 07-03-2013, 02:29 PM

Obvious repeating loop until friday

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX5jNnDMfxA

Kidd Karma · 07-03-2013, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by sike

Per Woj: Sacramento is offering free agent Andre Iguodala a four year, approximately $56 million contract, league sources tell Y! Sports.

Andre wanted time to think it over....meaning he wanted to use it to leverage Denver for a match. Sac said no, no dog and pony show, pulled offer off table, when there was no commit. NBA wise, bad business, you give the guy 24 hours then that's it. For a player of his caliber he deserves that.

As for Howard, he has to decide, I hate Kobe, D'Antoni, Jim Buss, but 30 million more...-State Taxes. Houston, Harden, Lin, Parsons....Dallas, Dirk but a chance to handpick his players next summer......does he take the cash now, play diva later, and force a trade out? Cavs got rid of Brown to appease Lebron, only to see Lebron leave. LA hangs onto D'Antoni despite Howard.........