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chumdawg · 09-02-2006, 01:20 PM

Word out of Valley Ranch is that Skyler Green got the ax. Good.

Now who will be next?

Dtownsfinest · 09-02-2006, 01:42 PM

I don't understand. We let Woody Danztler and Reggie Swinton go but since then we've had no one who can return a kick.

chumdawg · 09-02-2006, 01:52 PM

Well, do have a pretty good kick returner.

My guess would be Rector on punts. You never know, that kid may be better than Skyler Green!

But we do have Newman, Crayton, maybe even Aaron Glenn. We have guys who can do it.

jthig32 · 09-02-2006, 02:08 PM

We have plenty of people to return kicks. What on earth did anyone see in the preseason that made them want Green on thsi roster?

jthig32 · 09-02-2006, 02:11 PM

Either Fabini or Pettiti has to be cut or traded, you'd think.

dirno2000 · 09-02-2006, 02:16 PM

That was the worst pick in the Parcells era. Jacob Rogers didn't work out but taking a big left tackle from a pro system like UCS makes sense. Drafting an undersized, raw reciever who can't do anything but return punts doesn't...at least not in the 4th round.

chumdawg · 09-02-2006, 02:41 PM

True. You really can't go wrong with a guy from the great UCS.

dirno2000 · 09-02-2006, 03:03 PM

According to profootballtalk.com Copper has been cut too. The good thing is that I don’t have to hear any more unprepared announcers call him Terrance Cooper...that irritated me to no end.

chumdawg · 09-02-2006, 03:03 PM

Also gone:

Pettiti
Boiman
Stanley
Pile
Curtis
Glymph
Kincaid
Batiste
Tarrulo
Bowen
Baker

chumdawg · 09-02-2006, 03:05 PM

Can't believe they couldn't get anything in trade for Pettiti or Boiman.

So that's 13 guys we know of. Three more coming, I think.

chumdawg · 09-02-2006, 03:07 PM

The other 3 are Bilbo, Roland, and Coleman to the suspended list.

So Hoyte made it. And Hurd.

dirno2000 · 09-02-2006, 03:17 PM

"Pettiti"

WOW!

So our two starting tackles for most of last season aren't even good enoug to be on the team this year. I thought Petiti would use the experience and better conditioning to be a decent to good tackle for us.

Hate to see Stanley go too. Maybe he'll clear waivers and make the practice squad.

chumdawg · 09-02-2006, 03:19 PM

I'm sad about Pettiti being cut.

Kinda unbelievable that Miles Austin and Sam Hurd both made the team. If I were Austin I wouldn't go house shopping yet, though.

dirno2000 · 09-02-2006, 03:24 PM

Austin made it? That is suprising.

chumdawg · 09-02-2006, 03:31 PM

I guess he's the guy who beat out Copper.

I'm really surprised there was no trade. Maybe there is still time for one, though. I don't think these cuts are official yet.

chumdawg · 09-02-2006, 04:02 PM

Hell, Bjork made the final roster at LB. Where is this guy even from? The team site says "no college" for him.

EDIT: Evidently he's here from Sweden with some kind of roster exemption. So just because he wasn't cut doesn't mean he made the team.

I'm thinking that if there are trades in the works, they will happen after all the cuts, not before.

jthig32 · 09-02-2006, 04:53 PM

Bjork's going to the practice squad. He's a free PS player.

I'm surprised we kept both Ratliff and Coleman.

I'm absolutely shocked that we kept 6 WR's, and that Austin was the 6th instead of Copper. Copper was such a good special teams player. HE probably has Watkins to thank for making him expendable on special teams.

dirno2000 · 09-02-2006, 05:09 PM

I don't think we had the option to cut Coleman after he ended up back in the program. He doesn't count against the roster right now so maybe he'll be cut after his suspension is over.

dalmations202 · 09-02-2006, 05:20 PM

Boiman, Glymph gone but kept Hoyte, Fowler
Green, Copper gone but kept Miles Austin
Stanley gone, but kept Ratliff and Coleman
Petitti gone, but kept Fabini

Kept Polite over Curtis.

Hard decisions this year, I am surprised that some other "trades" coudn't have been made though.

For a PR and #3 QB to put on the practice squad, they need to sign Reggie McNeal who was just released.

chumdawg · 09-02-2006, 05:35 PM

D2K, I think he's talking about Kenyon, not Marcus.

Some interesting moves still to be made, I'm sure.

Ninkobei · 09-02-2006, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dalmations202

they need to sign Reggie McNeal who was just released.

reggie reggie! agreed

jly · 09-02-2006, 10:19 PM

wow, there are some surprising cuts. i sure hope the cutting of pettiti doesn't come back and bite us...

capitalcity · 09-03-2006, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jly

wow, there are some surprising cuts. i sure hope the cutting of pettiti doesn't come back and bite us...

Like the letting of LA walk is coming home to roost already.

Our Offensive Line is gonna be worse than last year. It's gonna be a trainwreck.

chumdawg · 09-03-2006, 02:13 AM

Now, our O-line may well be worse than last years (no way I could prove otherwise), but I'm not sure I would take the Pettiti cut as evidence of that. You can only take three tackles and three guards to the game, and it certainly appears that Pettiti wasn't in that mix. Now, of course you would like to keep him as a developmental player--and as depth, if you could afford it--but maybe the coaches just didn't see enough. He's a seventh-round guy, after all. And a guy who gave up 16 sacks last year.

I worry about the depth, but I don't worry about the gameday lineup. Those guys may prove to be salty.

nashtymavsfan13 · 09-03-2006, 04:10 AM

Wow, the Broncos cut Dayne and Watts.

jthig32 · 09-03-2006, 08:53 AM

Dirno, I meant Kenyon. And I'm fairly certain we could have cut Marcus if we wanted to. The Jets cut QCar before his drug suspension kicked in, which essentially ended his career, because any team willing to take a chance on him would have to sign him and then wait out his suspension.

But I was talking about Kenyon. I'm surprised we kept 5 DE's.

And Cap, unless Flozell goes down again, there's no way our OLine is worse. Flo is back, Gurode beat out last year's starter at center, Rivera is stronger after his injury, and Columbo represents a fairly significant upgrade over Pettiti, IMO.

capitalcity · 09-03-2006, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

I worry about the depth, but I don't worry about the gameday lineup. Those guys may prove to be salty.

I appreciate your optimism. But you didn't honestly think this would be the type of group we'd be trotting out there in YEAR 4 of the Parcells experiment.

jthig32 · 09-03-2006, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by capitalcity

I appreciate your optimism. But you didn't honestly think this would be the type of group we'd be trotting out there in YEAR 4 of the Parcells experiment.

That I would agree with. The failures when drafting OLinemen is hurting this team right now.

But, that being said, I think the linewill be better than last year. And Columbo could represent a pretty nice find if he's in the kind of form I think he's in.

capitalcity · 09-03-2006, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Flo is back, Gurode beat out last year's starter at center, Rivera is stronger after his injury, and Columbo represents a fairly significant upgrade over Pettiti, IMO.

I assume Flo's 15-20 false start/illegal procedure penalties (1+ per game, often of the drive-killing variety) will be back too? Gurode missed assignments and forgot the snap count (resulting in a Bledsoe concussion) in last weeks game, Rivera is (still) stealing money, and Columbo is better than Petitti (not exactly a shining complement).

Sugar-coating aside, It 'tis what it is. A below average OL unit.

capitalcity · 09-03-2006, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

That I would agree with. The failures when drafting OLinemen is hurting this team right now.

Further compounded by the miss-handling of Larry Allen, and the underwhelming Rivera signing - I contend the OL has been left in worse shape than the QB corps.

Nice grocery shopping Bill.

jthig32 · 09-03-2006, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by capitalcity

I assume Flo's 15-20 false start/illegal procedure penalties (1+ per game, often of the drive-killing variety) will be back too? Gurode missed assignments and forgot the snap count (resulting in a Bledsoe concussion) in last weeks game, Rivera is (still) stealing money, and Columbo is better than Petitti (not exactly a shining complement).

Sugar-coating aside, It 'tis what it is. A below average OL unit.

You seem awfully negative for it to just be below average. Teams win with below average offensive lines. You can't have strength everywhere, at least not usually.

dirno2000 · 09-03-2006, 08:29 PM

Looks like Sean Payton claimed both Copper and Petiti off of waivers.

alby · 09-04-2006, 02:02 AM

but strength in the trenches is where it should be at................

jthig32 · 09-04-2006, 07:20 PM

Wow, Stanley cleared waivers and we didn't sign him to the practice squad. He must have been awful.

We also just released Pepper Johnson to sign a DT from last year's practice squad of the Browns. Bill wasn't kidding when he said the backup DT position wasn't set.

Five-ofan · 09-04-2006, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dirno2000

That was the worst pick in the Parcells era. Jacob Rogers didn't work out but taking a big left tackle from a pro system like UCS makes sense. Drafting an undersized, raw reciever who can't do anything but return punts doesn't...at least not in the 4th round.

especially not when the best olineman from the best oline in the country is still on the board AND you have a huge need at oline.

No i will never let that go. Drafting skyler effing green over jonathon scott was just another decision that made me hate parcells even more. The problem with green is that he doesnt have a tool. I could have even seen taking mcneal there. He can fly and he could be used in trick plays and such or even as yet another developmental qb. The problem with green is that he runs a 4.5 and he cant do anything but return. Yes for just a normal guy, 4.5 is darned fast. But you can always find someone that runs that and can only return kicks. We already have tyson thompson who is faster/more explosive anyway. That made 0 sense. Scott is a 6-7 guy with extremely quick feet. That is a tool. All the reports i read said that he had all the talent in the world but he underperformed in college. Really? I watched just about all of uts games the last 3 years and he didnt underperform much and darn sure not this past year. He was arguably the most dominant lineman in college last year.(Ferguson CANNOT block a DE with a quick inside move.) Not saying he should have gone in the first or anything but how we pass on him in the 4th is just beyond me.

dalmations202 · 09-05-2006, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Five-ofan

especially not when the best olineman from the best oline in the country is still on the board AND you have a huge need at oline.

No i will never let that go. Drafting skyler effing green over jonathon scott was just another decision that made me hate parcells even more. The problem with green is that he doesnt have a tool. I could have even seen taking mcneal there. He can fly and he could be used in trick plays and such or even as yet another developmental qb. The problem with green is that he runs a 4.5 and he cant do anything but return. Yes for just a normal guy, 4.5 is darned fast. But you can always find someone that runs that and can only return kicks. We already have tyson thompson who is faster/more explosive anyway. That made 0 sense. Scott is a 6-7 guy with extremely quick feet. That is a tool. All the reports i read said that he had all the talent in the world but he underperformed in college. Really? I watched just about all of uts games the last 3 years and he didnt underperform much and darn sure not this past year. He was arguably the most dominant lineman in college last year.(Ferguson CANNOT block a DE with a quick inside move.) Not saying he should have gone in the first or anything but how we pass on him in the 4th is just beyond me.

5-0 I seldom agree with you, but you are dead on with this one.

The O-line was a known problem, and was not addressed properly. McNeal and Scott would both have been better picks, IMO.

snoop · 09-06-2006, 01:41 AM

i like columbo. I think he is a player with much more upside than pettei and you go with the best player. Green was a mistake. So was Stanley.

dirno2000 · 09-07-2006, 12:51 AM

Bull mentioned in today's press conference that he's looking as Skyler Green as a running back. That may be his best chance of ever getting on the field as a position player. A 5-9 reciever needs to be able to fly and also run precise routes...he does neither.

He does have quickness in compact spaces so maybe that'll translate to the new position.

chumdawg · 09-07-2006, 01:38 AM

Boys, it's football season coming up, and the chumdawg is doing some research. I'm interested in this kicking position, at least for tonight.

The New Jersey Con Man has coached 18 years in this league as a head coach, this year being the 19th. In those 18 years prior to this one, 17 kickers have attempted field goals for his Giants, Patriots, Jets, and Cowboys squads. How about some trivia?

1) In one of his coaching stops, one player took every single place kick. Can you name him? (As a Cowboys fan, you should at least have a 50/50 chance of guessing the coaching stop, if you can't name the kicker.)

2) Over the course of two years, one kicker missed 23 field goals and 4 extra points for Parcells. Yes, this kicker missed 27 kicks over two years. And on top of that, he remained with the team the following year! (If only for a short while.) Can you name him?

3) Matt Bahr missed six kicks for the Giants during the 1990 Super Bowl season. Plus an extra point. When Scott Sisson (eerily similar name to Shaun Suisham) missed 12 out of 26 for Parcells's Patriots in 1993, he brought Bahr back, and the kicker played two more years for the Patriots, for a total of four years as kicker under Parcells. A Parcells guy? Bahr is the only kicker to play for more than one Parcells-coached franchise. Only one kicker played more years for Parcells, and it was the kicker Bahr took over for in 1990. Name the kicker who lasted five years with the Big Tuna in New York.

5) The aforementioned Matt Bahr retired after the 1995 season in which he missed 10 of 33 kicks. What kicker, considered elite in this year's season even if he has a broken bone in his plant foot, succeeded him in 1996, notching 27 of 35 field goals but missing three PAT's?

6) In 1984, Parcells's kicker missed 19 attempts, 16 from the field and 3 PAT's, far exceeding the 13 misses in the second worst kicking year under the Big Tuna. But in 1983, the very same kicker missed only 8 attempts, coming awfully close the least amount of misses under Parcells, which was 6 kicks in total (all field goals and no extra points). Name the least innacurate kicker in Bill Parcells coaching history.

nashtymavsfan13 · 09-07-2006, 01:50 AM

Wow chummy that's tough. I only know number 5 of the top of my head.