11-21-2012, 11:04 PM
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PGT: Mavs don't choke against the Kinicks
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11-21-2012, 11:05 PM
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Fun game. Mayo seems like the real deal.
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11-21-2012, 11:05 PM
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Phew.
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11-21-2012, 11:06 PM
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RE thread title - the Mavs still choked. They just happened to win.
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RT @TyLawson3 Good game between Dallas and Portland. Good thing we didn't end up getting Dallas. Coach Karl lost his mind.
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11-21-2012, 11:06 PM
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Crowder had a good game until crunch time, then he started acting a damn fool on offense - he quit shooting and started trying to force some bad passes... Glad Carlisle subbed Carter back in when he did.
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11-21-2012, 11:07 PM
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mayo killed it, kept us in game.
DC was awesome.
VC had his best game, scored 14pts in the 4th
J Crowder was amazing.
Great win!
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11-21-2012, 11:07 PM
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Knicks board of course blaming the refs
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11-21-2012, 11:08 PM
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RE thread title - the Mavs still choked. They just happened to win.
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Melo's choke wasn't as big, but better-timed, eh?
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11-21-2012, 11:08 PM
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Thx god Murphy choked at halftime...
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11-21-2012, 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Underdog
Melo's choke wasn't as big, but better-timed, eh?
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For sure. Great time for him to choke / great job by Marion at the end.
If we didn't win that though, man - the 5 on 4 without a good shot, the blown Kaman layup, Collison tripping in the pick and roll defense, and his airball against Kidd etc. etc., would have been a million times worse. So glad we pulled it out.
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RT @TyLawson3 Good game between Dallas and Portland. Good thing we didn't end up getting Dallas. Coach Karl lost his mind.
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11-21-2012, 11:10 PM
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DC plays terrible defense
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11-21-2012, 11:11 PM
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RE thread title - the Mavs still choked. They just happened to win.
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Nah. If you stop the other team when they have a chance to win and you take the W, it's not a choke.
Near-choke, though...
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11-21-2012, 11:11 PM
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DC plays terrible defense
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Yeah...
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11-21-2012, 11:13 PM
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Melo's choke wasn't as big, but better-timed, eh?
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I just don't get the hype surrounding Melo. He is not a top-10 player in this league.
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11-21-2012, 11:13 PM
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DC plays terrible defense
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He also plays some pretty terrible late-game offense. Yikes.
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11-21-2012, 11:14 PM
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Best third quarter of the season for the Mavs? Mayo carried us.
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11-21-2012, 11:15 PM
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Love what we're seeing from OJ. That dude's offensive game is legit. I see no reason that he shouldn't be be long term option at the 2.
I'm not sold on DC.
I'm looking forward to see how they adjust to Dirk. I think Dirk helps DC as much as anyone else bc he brings more stability to the offense. DC seems like the kind of player who needs that.
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11-21-2012, 11:15 PM
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Nah. If you stop the other team when they have a chance to win and you take the W, it's not a choke.
Near-choke, though...
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I'll take it. Last season, it felt like we lost every one of these games. Wins like these are huge for confidence and for chemistry building, and as stated in the GDT, it's really great to finally get a win against a good team.
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RT @TyLawson3 Good game between Dallas and Portland. Good thing we didn't end up getting Dallas. Coach Karl lost his mind.
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11-21-2012, 11:16 PM
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He also plays some pretty terrible late-game offense. Yikes.
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Hero Ball... That's one of the hazards of having a team full of mercenaries - any one of these guys could favor their highlight reel over a win on any given night.
Hopefully Carlisle reels that sh!t in.
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11-21-2012, 11:16 PM
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DoJo needs to learn how to score. He is such a "natural" rebounder and passer. Just make those damn layups and open shots.
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11-21-2012, 11:16 PM
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How about RC not having a center out on the court for the final defensive play? That takes some guts as a coach.
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RT @TyLawson3 Good game between Dallas and Portland. Good thing we didn't end up getting Dallas. Coach Karl lost his mind.
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11-21-2012, 11:19 PM
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I'll take this win...oh and Knicks fans can't say sh*t about the refs because the Mavs where beating them down in New York untill the refs stepped in.
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11-21-2012, 11:20 PM
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I've gotta think this is driving Rick crazy.
Did anyone else notice that Roddy seems to have been officially surpassed by DoJo? *I'm glad*
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11-21-2012, 11:26 PM
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Did anyone else notice that Roddy seems to have been officially surpassed by DoJo? *I'm glad*
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Mayo and our plethora of combo guards and swingmen have made it impossible for Roddy to get any burn at SG, so PG is his only option -- but he sucks at point compared to Dojo, so au revoir Monsieur Beaubois.
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11-21-2012, 11:35 PM
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I'll take it. Last season, it felt like we lost every one of these games. Wins like these are huge for confidence and for chemistry building, and as stated in the GDT, it's really great to finally get a win against a good team.
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Yeah, winning games like this has benefits that go beyond the W-L column.
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11-21-2012, 11:37 PM
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Yeah, winning games like this has benefits that go beyond the W-L column.
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Especially when you're doing it without Dirk...
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11-22-2012, 12:09 AM
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DoJo needs to learn how to score. He is such a "natural" rebounder and passer. Just make those damn layups and open shots.
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Dante's passing, rebounding and defense seems to be improving if the guy could be more efficient offensively, what a find!
If Dante could get his offensive efficiency just a little better, 42% instead of 36% from the field, he will get to the line plenty enough to be a contributor
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11-22-2012, 12:11 AM
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Murphy's absence in the second half was a blessing in disguise.
OJ Mayo was BEAST and it was vintage Vince tonight too.
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11-22-2012, 12:18 AM
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Who is next??
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11-22-2012, 12:19 AM
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Lakers who are losing to the Kings as I type.
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11-22-2012, 12:45 AM
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Crowder again looked extremely comfortable offensively. His movement away from the ball belies his experience.
OJ Mayo is #7 in the league in scoring. It's been a long time since a Mav other than Dirk was that high on the PPG list this far into the season.
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11-22-2012, 01:06 AM
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We got the overall benefit of the whistles tonight despite a few bad calls.
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11-22-2012, 06:58 AM
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http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/p...121/daily-dime
"I don't want to talk him up too much because I don't want him to opt out next year," Cuban kidded before the game, a comment that made Mayo laugh heartily when it was relayed to him later.
Come on Mark! Don't give him any ideas!
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11-22-2012, 07:09 AM
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I just don't get the hype surrounding Melo. He is not a top-10 player in this league.
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What is wrong with you? Not a top 10 player?? Lol I'd like to have some of what you've been smoking!
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11-22-2012, 08:38 AM
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Woodson used an 8 man rotation on the back end of a B2B - Knick killer.
Carlisle used 10 guys - none playing more than 36min. (Mayo)
OJ Mayo is on track for most improved player...
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11-22-2012, 08:42 AM
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Notebook: Mavericks 114, Knicks 111
http://www.nba.com/games/20121121/NY...s=iref:nbahpts
Dave Ivey, for NBA.com
Posted Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:58 PM - Updated Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:58 PM
THE FACTS: Pressured by Shawn Marion, Carmelo Anthony missed the potential go-ahead jumper with 4.8 seconds left Wednesday and the New York Knicks' fourth-quarter rally came up short in a 114-111 loss to the Dallas Mavericks at the American Airlines Center.
O.J. Mayo scored 27 points and Vince Carter had a season-high 25 off the bench for the Mavericks (7-6). Darren Collison added 19 points and seven assists. Dallas scored 65 points in the second half against the NBA's stingiest defense and had a 12-point lead with less than six minutes to play.
The Knicks (8-2) didn't concede their second loss of the season without a fight, using a 21-10 run to cut the deficit to 112-111. They ran an isolation play with Anthony, who had to force a contested, double-clutch 15-footer with Marion's hand in his face. Dahntay Jones secured the rebound, got fouled by Anthony and drained both free throws to finish it.
Anthony scored a team-high 23 points and New York got double-doubles from Tyson Chandler (21 points, 13 rebounds) and Raymond Felton (18 points, 11 assists). In his first game back in Dallas, Jason Kidd was 5-for-8 from 3-point range and filled up the box score with 17 points, six rebounds, five assists and five steals.
QUOTABLE: "Tonight my shot felt good and my body felt better. I'm a little banged up, but at the same time I felt a little better and just let my shot fly." -- Carter.
THE STAT: Entering the game, the Knicks boasted the NBA's best fourth-quarter defense, allowing just 18.7 points on 35.4 percent shooting from the field. The Mavericks scored 30 in the fourth and shot 45 percent (9-for-20), including 4-for-6 from long distance.
TURNING POINT: Both teams were on fire from downtown. New York finished 15-for-31 and Dallas was 13-for-29. The Mavericks, who trailed by 10 in the first half, seized the momentum in the game by knocking down six of their treys during a 29-10 run from the 5:27 mark of the third quarter through the 9:16 mark of the fourth.
QUOTABLE II: "Vince is Vince. I mean, he's been doing it a long time in this league." -- Knicks head coach Mike Woodson.
QUOTABLE III: "He did a great job, especially on that last possession. We weren't sure what they were going to do, but we had a switching lineup in because the pick and roll had killed us all night and then they went iso. I always like Shawn's odds in those situations where he can play a guy one on one. He's the best we have. He did a great job." -- Mavericks head coach Rick Carlisle on Marion's defense on Anthony.
HOT: Carter scored 11 straight Dallas points to start the second quarter, including three 3-pointers¸ but that was just an appetizer for his 14-point fourth quarter.
NOT: Anthony committed seven of the Knicks' 14 turnovers and was in foul trouble throughout the second half, ultimately fouling out with 3.3 seconds left.
GOOD MOVE: Apparently Carlisle got through to the Mavericks at intermission following a careless first half in which they committed 11 turnovers, leading to 17 points for the Knicks. Dallas turned it over just three times (for three points) in the second half.
INSIDE THE ARENA: One fan won't have to brave the Black Friday shopping crowds after swishing a halfcourt shot during a third-quarter promotion to win a 60-inch television.
ROOKIE WATCH: After sitting out Monday's loss against Golden State (coach's decision), Mavericks forward Jae Crowder came back strong. He matched his season high with 12 points, all in the second half, and was 3-for-5 from behind the arc.
NOTABLE: Forward Troy Murphy made his first start for the Mavericks, but left in the second half due to a upper respiratory illness and did not return. It was his first start since Nov. 9, 2010 with the Nets. He replaced Elton Brand, who came off the bench for the first time since Jan. 20, 2010 with the 76ers. ... This was Carter's 999th career game. ... The previous high for points allowed by the Knicks came in a 105-95 loss at Memphis on Nov. 16. ... Mayo extended his streak to 11 straight games with 18-plus points. ... After blocking a combined 25 shots in their two previous games, the Mavericks had only one rejection by Chris Kaman against the Knicks. ... New York only used eight players.
UP NEXT: For the Mavericks, Saturday vs. Los Angeles Lakers, Tuesday @ Philadelphia, Wednesday @ Chicago. For the Knicks, Friday @ Houston, Sunday vs. Detroit, Monday @ Brooklyn.
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11-22-2012, 09:04 AM
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http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/p...121/daily-dime
"I don't want to talk him up too much because I don't want him to opt out next year," Cuban kidded before the game, a comment that made Mayo laugh heartily when it was relayed to him later.
Come on Mark! Don't give him any ideas!
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Instead of talking like this, I want to hear Cuban saying things like, "OJ will be a Mav into the foreseeable future. Bank on it."
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11-22-2012, 09:22 AM
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I just don't get the hype surrounding Melo. He is not a top-10 player in this league.
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He's a massively overrated, low-impact player. RAPM studies, and other impact stats expose him nicely. There is very little chance he can win anything if the offense goes through him, even with an elite team defense.
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11-22-2012, 09:27 AM
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Instead of talking like this, I want to hear Cuban saying things like, "OJ will be a Mav into the foreseeable future. Bank on it."
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Yep. I'm all for the whole "let's make sure that we have room for a franchise-level player," but I think Mayo may have that sort of talent and potential if he's paired with a guy like Dirk.
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11-22-2012, 09:37 AM
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Yep. I'm all for the whole "let's make sure that we have room for a franchise-level player," but I think Mayo may have that sort of talent and potential if he's paired with a guy like Dirk.
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You never can predict with certainty how a player will react to the insertion of a new player, but I see no logical reason that OJ wouldn't be able to flourish once Dirk returns.
I keep asking myself questions like, "Will he still get the ball where he likes it?" And I think the answer is clearly "Yes. If Terry was able to thrive playing 2nd fiddle to Dirk, OJ should all the more."
I really think of Jason Terry's history with Dirk as almost a proven test case of how OJ's game should function with Dirk.
And seeing how OJ is younger, quicker, more athletic, a better ball handler than Terry, yet not a selfish player, that is exciting.
I see OJ as being giddy to play 2nd fiddle to the Big German...and some nights (as with Terry) getting to shine as the #1 option.
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