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Old 07-30-2014, 10:01 AM   #1
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Further proof that you can't say jack-shit in this country without people taking offense. This is beyond ridiculous at this point. Folks, watch it for yourselves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDzWvHhgTrY
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SAS loses a week of shows for being a misogynistic punk.

Rice misses two games for beating his girlfriend unconscious and dragging her out of an elevator.

One of those two things I'm okay with. ESPN is protecting their brand. Regardless of whether you agree with his comments, they saw a public relations disaster coming and got on top of it. The NFL on the other hand. Well, they shouldn't have provoked women with such a crap punishment.

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I agree 100% with what Stephen A Smith said. You can't go around provoking people and push them to that limit, and when the person retaliate, you can't play the victim. People took Stephen's words and try to make it more than what he actually said. We live in a politically correct society. Its bullshit
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SAS loses a week of shows for being a misogynistic punk.

Rice misses two games for beating his girlfriend unconscious and dragging her out of an elevator.

One of those two things I'm okay with. ESPN is protecting their brand. Regardless of whether you agree with his comments, they saw a public relations disaster coming and got on top of it. The NFL on the other hand. Well, they shouldn't have provoked women with such a crap punishment.
Come on now, Erica. How was he being misogynistic? He repeatedly said it's never right for a man to hit a woman. Are we going to deny that there are situations in which women provoke men? Stephen A never said that men were justified in those situations, but he warned women not to put themselves in that situation. How is that wrong?
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I also agree 100% with what SAS said. I cannot stand the guy, but he is 100% in the right. All he is saying is this:
1. It's not ok to hit women
2. Don't put yourself in bad positions because even though it's not right to hit women.. no reason to increase your chances of getting hit by putting yourself in a bad situation.
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Did Ray Rice's girlfriend/wife provoke him into hitting her? I pretty much ignored that story when it came out, but now I can't find the details because SAS's story has buried the other story in Google... Just wondering what prompted Smith to frame the discussion that way.
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Come on now, Erica. How was he being misogynistic? He repeatedly said it's never right for a man to hit a woman. Are we going to deny that there are situations in which women provoke men? Stephen A never said that men were justified in those situations, but he warned women not to put themselves in that situation. How is that wrong?
Because you're not allowed to say something that should be common sense. You put yourself in a bad situation, you increase your chances of getting hit. It doesn't make it right..

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Did Ray Rice's girlfriend/wife provoke him into hitting her? I pretty much ignored that story when it came out, but now I can't find the details because SAS's story has buried the other story in Google... Just wondering what prompted Smith to frame the discussion that way.
Doesn't matter. He didn't really say anything wrong.
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Did Ray Rice's girlfriend/wife provoke him into hitting her? I pretty much ignored that story when it came out, but now I can't find the details because SAS's story has buried the other story in Google... Just wondering what prompted Smith to frame the discussion that way.
Supposedly Janay Palmer (Rice's wife) spit on Rice and hit him, which caused Rice to knock her out and drag her. Ray Rice obviously crossed the line (And that's probably an understatement in this situation.) and his actions are no way justifiable. However, one can see exactly what Stephen A was saying in telling women not to provoke men. Not that a man is justified in retaliating in the manner that Rice did, but women should try to avoid such situations all together.
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Doesn't matter. He didn't really say anything wrong.
That doesn't answer my question at all - I can draw my own opinion, thanks. I'm asking about the facts so I can understand the context in which he's speaking.

Some people are asking for an ass-whuppin', some people aren't... Did Rice's girlfriend fly off the handle and provoke an emotional response (regardless of the unnecessary physical response), or was this just a case of some roid-raged NFL player looking to beat a weaker person for no good reason? I think the difference is relevant in this case... Because if she provoked him, then I see nothing wrong with SAS's assessment. But if she didn't, then SAS is framing the issue like every woman who has ever been beaten had it coming.

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Supposedly Janay Palmer (Rice's wife) spit on Rice and hit him, which caused Rice to knock her out and drag her. Ray Rice obviously crossed the line (And that's probably an understatement in this situation.) and his actions are no way justifiable. However, one can see exactly what Stephen A was saying in telling women not to provoke men. Not that a man is justified in retaliating in the manner that Rice did, but women should try to avoid such situations all together.
Okay, at least this issue is contextualized:

"Men, don't hit women."

"Women, don't provoke violence-prone men or you might get hit."

Seems logical to me. Poke a bee's nest, get stung - it ain't right, but it's reality... Still gonna burn down that damn nest though.
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That doesn't answer my question at all - I can draw my own opinion, thanks.
Just helping you out.

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Ray Rice knocked her out and dragged her out of an elevator by her hair.

There's absolutely no reason to discuss provocation given what he did. Discussing provocation in this incident is absurd. It's tantamount to telling women to stop dressing in such a way that provokes men to rape them.
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There's absolutely no reason to discuss provocation given what he did.
Actually, now I'm wondering what provoked her to hit/spit at him in the first place... Not that it matters who started it, but Ray Rice must have done something to set her off.
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Ray Rice knocked her out and dragged her out of an elevator by her hair.

There's absolutely no reason to discuss provocation given what he did. Discussing provocation in this incident is absurd. It's tantamount to telling women to stop dressing in such a way that provokes men to rape them.
Perhaps you need to go back and listen to what he said. All he's saying is that no woman deserves to get hit..but, do yourself a favor and don't provoke an idiot into hitting you. There is nothing wrong with decreasing your chances of getting hit.

Nothing wrong with that at all...end of discussion. Same thing with the rape scenario. No, no one deserves to be raped, but you can put yourself in better situations and decrease the likeliness that you will become a victim.
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Ray Rice knocked her out and dragged her out of an elevator by her hair.

There's absolutely no reason to discuss provocation given what he did. Discussing provocation in this incident is absurd. It's tantamount to telling women to stop dressing in such a way that provokes men to rape them.
Agreed 100%. No one deserves that no matter the provocation.
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This was Whoopi Goldberg's stance on this incident...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MR0C-AlZl4
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Agreed 100%. No one deserves that no matter the provocation.
Who's saying she deserved it? No one on this site.. Not Stephen A. Smith. How can you read what has been said and what has been written and come up with someone actually believing that she deserved it? No one is saying that.

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Who's saying she deserved it? No one on this site.. Not Stephen A. Smith. Do you have difficulty with speech?.. written words?
If there's nothing she could possibly have done to deserve what Rice did, then there's no reason to waste any time focusing on what she might have done prior to his actions. What she did is irrelevant and focusing on it at all takes the focus away from where it should be - squarely on Rice.
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Who's saying she deserved it? No one on this site.. Not Stephen A. Smith. Do you have difficulty with speech?.. written words?
How long are the mods going to put up with your tired schtick? My guess is not long...
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If there's nothing she could possibly have done to deserve what Rice did, then there's no reason to waste any time focusing on what she might have done prior to his actions. What she did is irrelevant and focusing on it at all takes the focus away from where it should be - squarely on Rice.
Why is it irrelevant? No one said that she did anything to deserve what she received. No one is saying that. All people are saying is that you should put yourself in a better position to where the likeliness of such happening is less. There is a huge difference between what I am saying and what Stephen A. Smith is saying and what you actually believe we are saying. I don't see the disconnect. SHE DIDN'T DESERVE IT. But, she increased the likeliness that something negative would occur. She still didn't deserve it.

I didn't deserve to get the crap beat out of me by my brother that is 6 years older than me... But I smarted off and agitated him over and over again. Eventually, I caught a fist upside the head. Did I deserve it? No, absolutely not. Did I create a situation to where the likeliness of something negative occurring was increased? Yes I did. Was I in the wrong? Absolutely. Was he in the wrong. Absolutely.
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How long are the mods going to put up with your tired schtick? My guess is not long...
Sweep your own back porch..

By no stretch of the imagination was I attempting to be rude. I simply do not understand how you could read one thing..totally ignore what was actually written and then claim that it was something else. I'm just confused by that.

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By no stretch of the imagination was I attempting to be rude. I simply do not understand how you could read one thing..totally ignore what was actually written and then claim that it was something else. I'm just confused by that.
Because there is no logic whatsoever to convoluting a situation like this. No minor wrong that the girl might have done should be in a conversation of what he did to her.

It's very similar to a rape. The girl shouldn't have been at that party, or worn skimpy clothes, or dated "that" guy. So she was kinda in the wrong too, right? As if the two wrongs are in any way comparable. Rape is one of the most horrifyingly awful things that can ever happen to a woman. There is no "she shouldn't have done that." Because nothing she did compares to that. Nothing.

My wife nags me and gets on my nerves all the time. And if I beat her or raped her, then nothing she did to nag me or get on my nerves should be in the conversation...at all. They aren't in the same universe of wrongs.
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There's always something you can do to make yourself safer and more likely to avoid some sort of assault or injury. That's a given.

But if someone commits a criminal act of assault against me or someone I love, I don't need someone telling me what we should do differently to avoid that next time. You might even be right. But there's just no reason for you to be focusing on my actions or the actions of my loved one. Focus on the actions of the person that committed the crime.
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Why is it irrelevant? No one said that she did anything to deserve what she received. No one is saying that. All people are saying is that you should put yourself in a better position to where the likeliness of such happening is less. There is a huge difference between what I am saying and what Stephen A. Smith is saying and what you actually believe we are saying. I don't see the disconnect. SHE DIDN'T DESERVE IT. But, she increased the likeliness that something negative would occur. She still didn't deserve it.
I'm fully aware of what you're saying. You're implying that she did something that contributed to what happened to her. By doing so, you're removing a portion of the blame from the idiot that assaulted her and placing it on her. And that's stupid.
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She probably did something that contributed to it some way. That doesn't make what he did any less wrong. She could have put herself in a better situation. I don't care if they need to hear it or not. It is the truth in many situations. What Stephen A. Smith said is not incorrect by any stretch.

If a woman gets raped when she's scantily dressed, drunk, and hanging on guys all night.. guess what, it's obviously a horrific crime that was committed. But the woman also didn't put herself in the best position. That's all anyone is saying. That doesn't make the guilty person any less guilty. Can something be learned from what happened to the victim? Yes, there are horrible people out there that will do horrific things to you. And don't put yourself in a bad position.

I don't give a damn if you don't want to hear it if it happens to one of your loved ones. It is the simple truth. Bad things are more likely to occur if you put yourself in a bad position. That's all Stephen A. Smith was saying. And, he's right.

You also have to remember that Stephen A. Smith wasn't talking to the victim or the victim's family. He's is talking to an audience..sharing something that he had said to his family. Don't put yourself in a bad position.

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I'm still trying to find out exactly what Stephen A said that was so offensive that he needed to be suspended.
He didn't NEED to be suspended. That is stretching the truth by implying that there are PC police out there with truncheons. He pissed off some listeners and ESPN thought that that hurt their brand. Simple as that. SAS used his celebrity as an ESPN anchor to spread his off-topic views that angered a lot of people. There isn't a police bureau looking to censor people, but there are a dozen board rooms looking after their own brand. The more public you are as a face of a brand, the more scrutiny you get. If you are working in the mail room, you can probably tweet whatever you want. When you are one of the public faces of a major brand, not so much. Freedom of speech gives you the freedom TO say whatever you want, but it doesn't give you the freedom FROM people's reactions.

Also, mansplaining to women how not to get beaten up-- probably not the best topic for a sports writer to talk about using the public platform, celebrity status and twitter following gained by being an ESPN talking head. WaPo said it best, "still, this is a fallacy people fall into, when giving advice: to assume that you can control the way the world responds to you." Perhaps he meant no harm, but it's a minefield of a hundred years of men telling women not to get raped, kidnapped, beaten up, etc. instead of addressing the real problem.

When my mom was beaten by my birth dad when I was 6-7, you want to know what the case worker said the first time she reported it? The (male) case worker asked what she had done to provoke it. Seriously. Then he went on to say that she wouldn't need to find a woman's shelter if she just stopped provoking him. That's the kind of history that SAS (perhaps unintentionally) walked into and it's why people get their hackles up when people say insensitive things like that. Perhaps without an experience like that, it would be impossible to comprehend why saying that women shouldn't provoke men is insensitive. I can understand that you personally think it's okay having never been through that, but you also have to understand that there are also a huge number of people who have seen it (or at least empathize) and they are who ESPN was concerned with when they gave SAS a 7-day vacation.

And for the record, my mom demanded another case worker, we ended up staying in the shelter for about four weeks before moving to AZ to get away from my birth dad, who continued to harass us until we left the state.

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1) It's context. It's taking into account his past remarks (one quoted below) when a professional athlete (Chad Johnson, Floyd Mayweather, Ray Rice) assaulted his wife/girlfriend, and the sense that his current remarks fail to distinguish themselves sufficiently from his past remarks (remarks for which he has previously apologized, and which he admitted were insensitive and wrong-headed). It's the sense that he is still too close to blaming (or assigning a proportion of blame to) the victim for the assaulter's violent, criminal acts.

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It's also another dot in the trend line forming a pattern of Smith taking a sympathetic view of the assaulter, and seeming to try to shift responsibility to the victim such as a 2013 interview with Floyd Mayweather where Johnson took an extremely sympathetic perspective to Mayweather, and allowed Mayweather to paint himself as a victim (for serving 57 days in prsion, after a series of domestic assault incident for which he went unpunished), and never even acknowledged that Mayweather went to prison for physically assaulting a girlfriend/ladyfriend/female acquaintance.

2) It's also the (intentional?) ambiguity with the use of the word "provoke". Nothing a woman can say justifies use of physical violence, and nothing short of physical confrontation justifies the use of physical force. That, however, cuts both ways. If a woman physically attacks a man, I think the law allows him to use physical force to defend himself and prevent the woman from injuring him. So if Smith's message had been "Men, don't put your hands on a woman (violently) and expect to get away with it. And women, don't put your hands on a man (violently) and expect to get away with it." a reasonable person might share your confusion.

Smith's consistent message, however, has been that women shouldn't "provoke" men to violence, which could mean anything from mouthing off, to spending too much of "his" money, to not keeping his house clean, to not having him a cold drink and a hot dinner waiting when he got home, to not being sexually available for his every whim.

3) It's ESPN doing a little brand management. Smith is supposedly taking his talents from ESPN to Sirius in the very near future, so ESPN feels freer to point the finger at him and give him a wrist slap since he won't be their asset.
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He obviously shouldn't have been suspended and said nothing remotely incorrect.
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I knew exactly who would have what opinion in this thread before I even opened it. D-M both continuously disappoints and never fails to disappoint.

Appalling that any shred of this conversation ever approaches "the woman needs to take responsibility and aim her face away from where the man's fist may end up". Disgusting, inhumane, and uncalled for. But like I said, not surprising at all.
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I knew exactly who would have what opinion in this thread before I even opened it. D-M both continuously disappoints and never fails to disappoint.

Appalling that any shred of this conversation ever approaches "the woman needs to take responsibility and aim her face away from where the man's fist may end up". Disgusting, inhumane, and uncalled for. But like I said, not surprising at all.
So telling someone to not hit another person because it could potentially put them in a bad situation is now being interpreted as "the woman needs to take responsibility and aim her face away from where the man's fist may end up." Amazing.
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Any time a woman is abused by a man, the conversation starts and ends with how big of a piece of shit he is. I take no other factors into consideration, least of which being "she's partially at fault for 'instigating' the confrontation".

And I won't lie or mince words one bit... I will absolutely, 100% think someone is a horrible human being if they ever disagree on that. This is a black and white issue. A huge football player KOed his fiancee (now wife) and dragged her unconscious body down the hallway. He is less than human and so is anyone that puts any part of the blame onto her.
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Any time a woman is abused by a man, the conversation starts and ends with how big of a piece of shit he is. I take no other factors into consideration, least of which being "she's partially at fault for 'instigating' the confrontation".

And I won't lie or mince words one bit... I will absolutely, 100% think someone is a horrible human being if they ever disagree on that. This is a black and white issue. A huge football player KOed his fiancee (now wife) and dragged her unconscious body down the hallway. He is less than human and so is anyone that puts any part of the blame onto her.
So was Solange wrong for doing what she did to Jay-Z in the elevator? We live in a VERY double standard society. The camera caught more of what Solange did to Jay-Z than what Ray Rice did to his girlfriend. I do not condone a man to beat a woman just for the hell of it, but the same goes for a female as well, a female can spit on a man, punch him in the face, kick him in his nuts, and if the man retaliates by slapping her, the news will ignore all of the things the female did prior and just focus on the guy's retaliation. So one sided
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So was Solange wrong for doing what she did to Jay-Z in the elevator? We live in a VERY double standard society. The camera caught more of what Solange did to Jay-Z than what Ray Rice did to his girlfriend. I do not condone a man to beat a woman just for the hell of it, but the same goes for a female as well, a female can spit on a man, punch him in the face, kick him in his nuts, and if the man retaliates by slapping her, the news will ignore all of the things the female did prior and just focus on the guy's retaliation. So one sided
I agree that Solange (ugh) was 100% wrong in attacking Jay-Z, and that every woman that strikes a man for any reason except self defense is wrong too. And if Jay-Z legitimately felt like his well-being was in danger, I think he's well within his rights to defend himself as well. But let's be honest... unless Ray Rice's fiancee/wife had a sledgehammer, there's pretty much no chance she's going to be able to hurt him. He clearly used excessive (and until I see otherwise, I assume physically unprovoked) violence against a helpless woman, considering the size difference between the two of them. He's a gutless coward and deserves every single bit of the criticism he is getting right now, and then some (x100).

I personally don't feel like the two incidents are that similar at all, except that they both featured famous people in elevators.
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Since you're speaking in general terms, so will I.

This white-knighting attitude you're displaying is quite common, and has been exploited by many women fabricating domestic violence.

The existence of the resulting corruption in the court system isn't controversial. Unfortunately, many who acknowledge it choose to profit from it rather than fight it. A private investigator featured in that video is caught here giving explicit advice for women seeking divorce by way of a false domestic violence claim. And isn't this picture interesting, given what we (think we) know about her background?

Point is, this kind of issue should be approached with a bit more caution than you're giving it.

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The double standard is worse than you're making it out to be, especially when it comes to public reaction. Look at how people reacted to Lorena Bobbitt and Catherine Kieu.

Even better, look at how they reacted to Kiranjit Ahluwalia. They gave her a frickin' bravery award! Her claim that he abused her created an image in people's minds of male-on-female violence, and that apparently is far more serious than the known instance of her carrying out pre-meditated murder while he slept.

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I've never heard about the Kiranjit Ahluwalia story till now. How disturbing that a woman can take the time out to research how to make napalm, prepare the mixture, pour it on him and then set the man on fire while asleep. And she really only served three years and three months for such a heinous crime? Now I'm really starting to see how things work. Somehow men are always held accountable for wrongdoings against women (As they should) but yet women somehow are allowed to bypass being held accountable for their wrongdoings against men. Where are the thought police when women are literally getting away with murder against men? Where is the outrage then? Equality my ass, some of these people went special treatment. Shit like that story makes me a very bitter young man.

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Any time a woman is abused by a man, the conversation starts and ends with how big of a piece of shit he is. I take no other factors into consideration, least of which being "she's partially at fault for 'instigating' the confrontation".
I think that is a highly irrational and irresponsible way of thinking to say the least. I will continue to say that I will never condone violence against women, but for us to sit here and pretend that it's impossible for a woman to put herself in an unfavorable situation is madness. No way in hell am I going to defend Ray Rice's actions, but for people to act like he was just a deranged lunatic who just randomly started doing the shit he did is pretty stupid. It's a pretty simple concept to me: Women shouldn't hit men and men shouldn't hit women. Case closed. This shit should be common sense but I guess it's not.

PS- I keep hearing this "blaming the victim" stuff but in a situation where someone hits you and you hit them back aren't YOU technically the victim? Let me clarify that question by making it clear that I'm NOT saying Rice was the victim. I'm just asking about the technicalities in such a situation.
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I've never heard about the Kiranjit Ahluwalia story till now. How disturbing that a woman can take the time out to research how to make napalm, prepare the mixture, pour it on him and then set the man on fire while asleep. And she really only served three years and three months for such a heinous crime? Now I'm really starting to see how things work. Somehow men are always held accountable for wrongdoings against women (As they should) but yet women somehow are allowed to bypass being held accountable for their wrongdoings against men. Where are the thought police when women are literally getting away with murder against men? Where is the outrage then? Equality my ass, some of these people went special treatment. Shit like that story makes me a very bitter young man.
Yeah, "equality" is all about looking past what's between somebody's legs and treating all people, well, equally.

That's why I don't think the "scantily-clad woman getting raped" metaphor that Jthig mentioned above necessarily equates to a situation where a woman happened to hit a man... Rape is a completely predatory act, but when one person hits another person, it triggers a primal defense mechanism. So saying: "women who dress provocatively had it coming" isn't exactly the same thing as saying "if you hit somebody, you might get hit back."

Now I'm not saying that's what SAS was getting at, and I can tell you just by looking at the size difference between Rice and his girlfriend that hitting her and dragging her by her hair was NOT a measured response to her slapping him - but any person who enacts violence on another person might have an ass kicking coming their way. The instinct of self-preservation can be an unpredictable thing - that's why non-violence tends to be the safest course conflict resolution... Maybe he doesn't hit her if she doesn't hit him first? (although I can't really say that for certain - Ray Rice's violence could have been a completely predatory act, I didn't witness the circumstances...)
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