Jeremy Lin....

[-D-S-B-]

Haha, brilliant

[jleefilled]

Is this real life? The legend does indeed grow. And1 looked almost Manu-esque at the end there.

[b_o_r]

The 3 for the win was You would have thought the Raptors were the road team tonight.

[twelli]

He's not afraid to get hammered under the basket, that's the most impressive thing I take from this game and the last against Minnesota. He's a real warrior.

[RareMilk]

It is Linpossible to not feel good about this kid. And it's funny because I say kid, but I am younger than he is, and I wonder if my business marketing degree can compare to a harvard economics degree...

[SMC0007]

POW!!!

[tsar]

We should get Lin this summer :P

[j0Shi]

For all you Liniacs:

Kid with tonight among PGs >200 minutes played (65 players) ranks

- 2nd in PER (25.77)
- 3rd in WS48 (0.198)
- 10th in PPS (0.956)
- 3rd in USG% (31.71)
- 6th in TS% (57.95)
- 2nd in FTM per FGA (38.81)
- 4th in Shot Distance ( 9.57)
- 1st in AND1s P100 (1.61)
- 1st in Fouls Drawn P100 (10.58)
- 1st in PTS P100 (34.27)
- 1st in PTS in the Paint P100 (26.19)
- 10th in AST P100 (12.02)

- 62nd in AST% (17.91)
- 46th in AST per TOV (1.77)
- 65th in TOV P100 (6.78)

In 4th Quarters he leads the very same group in AND1s, TS%, PTS, PTS in Paint, PER, WS48

You may explode now.

[CadBane]

He leads all PGs in 4th Quarter TS%, despite going 1-12 in that Minny game? You sure about that? If so, it must be seriously inflated due to FTs. What's his FG% in the 4th?

Also, I don't think he played a great overall game. Calderon torched him all night, and again, 8 turnovers.

[rabbitproof]

The turnaround since he's stepped on the scene for the Knicks is amazing. 6-0.

Now add clutchness (despite heavy minutes).

[j0Shi]

Originally Posted by CadBane

He leads all PGs in 4th Quarter TS%, despite going 1-12 in that Minny game? You sure about that? If so, it must be seriously inflated due to FTs. What's his FG% in the 4th?

Also, I don't think he played a great overall game. Calderon torched him all night, and again, 8 turnovers.

Well, he went 1-7 in that MIN game in the 4th. Shoots 25-43 overall, 3-6 from Three, 27-39 on FTs. Also leads FG% and eFG%.

He's not a good defender, but if he plays like this on the offensive end, who will care?

[CadBane]

Originally Posted by j0Shi

Well, he went 1-7 in that MIN game in the 4th. Shoots 25-43 overall, 3-6 from Three, 27-39 on FTs. Also leads FG% and eFG%.

He's not a good defender, but if he plays like this on the offensive end, who will care?

The continued high turnover troubles are rather problematic...30 in 5 games. That's SIX turners a game. He's had at least 6 in all but one of those games.

[CadBane]

Originally Posted by rabbitproof

The turnaround since he's stepped on the scene for the Knicks is amazing. 6-0.

Now add clutchness (despite heavy minutes).

3 of those wins were against cellar dwellers. NJ, Toronto (w/o Bargs), and WASH are arguably all three of the Top 5 worst teams in the NBA.

Utah sucks on the road (3-9).

That leaves them one solid win (@Minny), and one impressive win (home against L.A.)

Lets look at things objectively. Their schedule finally toughens up starting Sunday with games against Dallas, Atlanta, and Miami. Seeing how Lin performs in those games will be very interesting.

[Blackspider]

So glad we get a crack at this dude Sunday in front of a nationwide audience while his hype is at it's peak. Will be fun.

[AO41]

Ahh i live in NY...not NYC..but i was gonna get tix to Mavs / NY game a few months back cuz i wanted to see the Mavs...but i disnt :/......i should have...now i wuld xperience Linsanity and the Mavs gettin that W.....Dammmm IT

[sefant77]

[rabbitproof]

Originally Posted by CadBane

3 of those wins were against cellar dwellers. NJ, Toronto (w/o Bargs), and WASH are arguably all three of the Top 5 worst teams in the NBA.

Utah sucks on the road (3-9).

That leaves them one solid win (@Minny), and one impressive win (home against L.A.)

Lets look at things objectively. Their schedule finally toughens up starting Sunday with games against Dallas, Atlanta, and Miami. Seeing how Lin performs in those games will be very interesting.

The dude was days away from being cut three times in a year. This is amazing, no need to qualify it.

It's hard for anybody to sweep Dallas, Atlanta and Miami but to do so, he'll need his teammates to step up. I'll be more curious to see if he can keep posting 20-7.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by rabbitproof

The dude was days away from being cut three times in a year. This is amazing, no need to qualify it.

It's hard for anybody to sweep Dallas, Atlanta and Miami but to do so, he'll need his teammates to step up. I'll be more curious to see if he can keep posting 20-7.

Yeah, well It's an attempt to justify such a hard stance early on.

No way he keeps these numbers up, but why would anyone expect him to stop being the type of player he is? His style of play is contagious and inspiring. I'd expect his numbers to drop some pretty soon but also his turnovers to drop as well. He will come back to earth sooner or later but there should be no reason he won't be a solid player when he lands. Taking anything away from what Lin is doing given the situation is plain ol' hatin'.

[b_o_r]

Originally Posted by CadBane

3 of those wins were against cellar dwellers. NJ, Toronto (w/o Bargs), and WASH are arguably all three of the Top 5 worst teams in the NBA.

Utah sucks on the road (3-9).

That leaves them one solid win (@Minny), and one impressive win (home against L.A.)

Lets look at things objectively. Their schedule finally toughens up starting Sunday with games against Dallas, Atlanta, and Miami. Seeing how Lin performs in those games will be very interesting.

Dude has major balls to hit that 3. Not a lot of players would have taken that shot, let alone hit it. I think the majority believe he will crash back to earth, but you have to give it him. He has been unbelievable against those crappy teams. The Knicks probably don't win those games w/o him.

Calderon was surprised to see Lin pull up for the game-winner.

“I thought he was going to drive,” Calderon said. “That’s why I tried to give him his left hand but he made a great shot.”

This is why Calderon is such a poor defender. Great defenders force the offensive player to take a shot the defender wants them to take. Force him to drive left and pull up for a jumper. He is a poor jump shooter but the Lin was not contested at all. He is going to make that shot the majority of the time.

[iella]

Lin said postgame that on the final possession, he looked back to D'antoni to ask if he could have the iso... reckless, maybe, but that's onions.

[j0Shi]

We still have major sample size issues, ya know?

I truly hope that Kid will end up at least decent, because the fall from the Knicks savior to the sewers would be... no there's not comparison for that.

RE: Turnovers: Rookies do average a lot of turnovers. That's what you get playing them. Play through it.

[rabbitproof]

Originally Posted by iella

Lin said postgame that on the final possession, he looked back to D'antoni to ask if he could have the iso... reckless, maybe, but that's onions.

You could see that. They could've drawn a play up but I think the Knicks liked the matchup they had with Calderon on Lin.

Loved Chandler's description of the final seconds. Apparently he thought Lin would drive for the bucket and he would get a rebound opportunity with about three seconds left. I was watching live and when it was down to two-ish seconds, you could tell Lin was going to lift up and drop the dagger from beyond. Kind of surprised Calderon still sat back at that point but that's the advantage of being the offensive player at the end of the game (they can see the clock).

[rabbitproof]

Originally Posted by j0Shi

We still have major sample size issues, ya know?

I truly hope that Kid will end up at least decent, because the fall from the Knicks savior to the sewers would be... no there's not comparison for that.

RE: Turnovers: Rookies do average a lot of turnovers. That's what you get playing them. Play through it.

That seems the be the only true blemish in his game right now. His jumper, although not consistent, can be improved and has shown signs of improvement.

You can't teach his court vision, finishing skills and athleticism (not in a John Wall sense but in the Nash way of balance, coordination and using both hands to finish).

[Dirkadirkastan]

Originally Posted by rabbitproof

Kind of surprised Calderon still sat back at that point but that's the advantage of being the offensive player at the end of the game (they can see the clock).

There's a clock at either end of the floor...

[CadBane]

Originally Posted by rabbitproof

The dude was days away from being cut three times in a year. This is amazing, no need to qualify it.

It's hard for anybody to sweep Dallas, Atlanta and Miami but to do so, he'll need his teammates to step up. I'll be more curious to see if he can keep posting 20-7.

Oh, my bad. I forgot, you're not allowed to have an objective, rational discussion regarding Jeremy Lin. You can only tout his exploits and ignore his foibles.

GTFO, seriously.

It's a great story, and he's proven himself to be (at least) a capable NBA player. At this point, it's time to get over the story and start discussing him as what he IS. An NBA rotation player, just like many other guys in the league. I'm not qualifying anything. I'm simply trying to have a fair and open discussion involving Lin...but you can't do that with fans that get swept up in sensationalism.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by CadBane

Oh, my bad. I forgot, you're not allowed to have an objective, rational discussion regarding Jeremy Lin. You can only tout his exploits and ignore his foibles.

GTFO, seriously.

It's a great story, and he's proven himself to be (at least) a capable NBA player. At this point, it's time to get over the story and start discussing him as what he IS. An NBA rotation player, just like many other guys in the league. I'm not qualifying anything. I'm simply trying to have a fair and open discussion involving Lin...but you can't do that with fans that get swept up in sensationalism.

Who is going to take his spot?

[CadBane]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Who is going to take his spot?

Nobody right now. I'm just trying to discuss him as a player and his future in the league. Obviously he'll be starting for NY for the rest of the year (barring an injury).

[j0Shi]

Originally Posted by rabbitproof

That seems the be the only true blemish in his game right now. His jumper, although not consistent, can be improved and has shown signs of improvement.

You can't teach his court vision, finishing skills and athleticism (not in a John Wall sense but in the Nash way of balance, coordination and using both hands to finish).

Think his worth will be defined by his ability to get to the rim. Shot attempts will go way down with a (mentally) healthy Amare and Melo back in the lineup and then you're talking about a 1.5 - 1.7 AST_TOV ratio and and no 3-point game. So points will have to come at the line.

[rabbitproof]

Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

There's a clock at either end of the floor...

yeah, but the defender is usually watching the player.

[rabbitproof]

Originally Posted by CadBane

Oh, my bad. I forgot, you're not allowed to have an objective, rational discussion regarding Jeremy Lin. You can only tout his exploits and ignore his foibles.

GTFO, seriously.

It's a great story, and he's proven himself to be (at least) a capable NBA player. At this point, it's time to get over the story and start discussing him as what he IS. An NBA rotation player, just like many other guys in the league. I'm not qualifying anything. I'm simply trying to have a fair and open discussion involving Lin...but you can't do that with fans that get swept up in sensationalism.

A six-game winning streak for a team that is otherwise near .333 team is amazing. Even if some of the opponents have been patsies, consider he's playing with Billy Walker, Jared Jefferies, etc.

How is that not amazing?

[rabbitproof]

Originally Posted by j0Shi

Think his worth will be defined by his ability to get to the rim. Shot attempts will go way down with a (mentally) healthy Amare and Melo back in the lineup and then you're talking about a 1.5 - 1.7 AST_TOV ratio and and no 3-point game. So points will have to come at the line.

Agree, his driving ability is what makes him special. Would also assume his efficiency improves if he is tasked with less scoring responsibility. Also would assume the ATO ratio will improve with experience and better teammate talent.

[sefant77]

The best about Linsanity is all the cool pics and gifs flying around...

[CadBane]

BTW, Lin set another record. One I haven't heard a single soul mention. Most turnovers in a players first 5 starts (30). Is objectivity too much to ask? I found out about this through Twitter. It's ridiculous that ESPN wants to bring up his points record every 5 seconds but 100% ignore his other record.

[twistaeffect2004]

Originally Posted by CadBane

BTW, Lin set another record. One I haven't heard a single soul mention. Most turnovers in a players first 5 starts (30). Is objectivity too much to ask? I found out about this through Twitter. It's ridiculous that ESPN wants to bring up his points record every 5 seconds but 100% ignore his other record.

No doubt about it, he's had blemishes, but what he's done for that team... everything being thrown around about him is absolutely warranted, he's saved their season.

[particleman]

Originally Posted by CadBane

BTW, Lin set another record. One I haven't heard a single soul mention. Most turnovers in a players first 5 starts (30). Is objectivity too much to ask? I found out about this through Twitter. It's ridiculous that ESPN wants to bring up his points record every 5 seconds but 100% ignore his other record.

I heard that same stat on ESPN today.

[Scoobay]

Originally Posted by CadBane

BTW, Lin set another record. One I haven't heard a single soul mention. Most turnovers in a players first 5 starts (30). Is objectivity too much to ask? I found out about this through Twitter. It's ridiculous that ESPN wants to bring up his points record every 5 seconds but 100% ignore his other record.

i believe ESPN did mention it in one of their highlight films but had no graphic for it and certainly did not put it somewhere in their printed articles. Selective reporting perhaps but it's more fun to talk about the good stuff. Expecting 'unbiased' reporting from ESPN is unrealistic.

Lin's individual stats aside, the Knicks are rolling now - 6-0. Turnovers or not, he's helped a nothing team pick it up and win, mostly without their top 2 players otherwise. it's been a fun ride. next few games should give some better indication of his play. I'm more curious to see if the Knicks are for real... I think Lin's shown me enough - he's playing like a top 15 pg which is a lot more than anyone would have said 2 weeks ago.

[j0Shi]

Media coverage is about stories, not the truth.

On twitter there are actually a lot of guys mentioning his turnovers and warning. Especially Pruiti is very unimpressed as far as I'm concerned and I would take his knowledge over most peoples.

[rabbitproof]

Whenever his scoring is quoted, so are his turnovers. He's still bringing a huge net positive to the team so the turnovers are in the shadows. It's damn ugly though.

His turnovers seem to happen in bunches as in two or three consecutively. Perhaps, it's a lapse in concentration or specific defense or play. Not sure. Read an Yahoo article that said if you look at their minutes played, his turnover rate is comparable to Steve Nash at this point in their careers. May be a stretch but he does only have ~600 minutes to his career..

[Underdog]

Lin is doing more right than he is wrong... And at this point, he can only get better.

[b_o_r]

The turnover issue is only one if the coach makes it so, which he has not. I don't think his TO rate will decrease much because that offense is very risky to begin with.