General NBA watching thread 2007/2008 - Page 59 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Caseman · 03-26-2008, 10:03 PM

Sigh, Spurs gonna win. Took the Clippers 3 minutes to get another basket.

Windmill360 · 03-26-2008, 10:04 PM

stupid clippers.

looks like manu was paraded to the line again. (*looks like*)

oh, well. At least the spurs are far from exploding their way into the playoffs this time.

MavsFanFinley · 03-26-2008, 10:05 PM

Clippers came this close to stealing one but the Spurs buckled down late in the game and will get the win. Ginobli sucked all game but I think had 3 layups late and Finley hits the 3 to put the game away.

Caseman · 03-26-2008, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MavsFanFinley

Clippers came this close to stealing one but the Spurs buckled down late in the game and will get the win. Ginobli sucked all game but I think had 3 layups late and Finley hits the 3 to put the game away.

You must be going crazy in your pants then..

MavsFanFinley · 03-26-2008, 10:42 PM

Charlotte up 13 on the Lakers at the half.

spreedom · 03-26-2008, 11:22 PM

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/p...?urn=nba,73485

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Shaq takes swipe at Riley and Heat for making him scapegoat

The once-blissful marriage between Shaquille O'Neal and Pat Riley ended badly. As their championship core crumbled, so did their relationship. Miami Heat officials believe Shaq quit on them and point to his chronic hip problems that prevented him from playing in Miami but have not stopped him from averaging 29.3 minutes a night with the Phoenix Suns. Conversely, Shaq believes Riley quit on him and saddled him with the blame for the franchise's implosion.

"I guess when you have a lot of power, you can do what you want," O'Neal said. "Me? If I ever came into that kind of power, I think I'd be willing to admit it if I messed up."

O'Neal's comments were met with silence out of Miami yesterday.

"I know what they said about me," Shaq said. "Grant [Hill] called me up and told me, 'They said you don't want to play no more.' I understand being the scapegoat comes with being the superstar. When it all goes right, you get the credit. And when it doesn't . . . I guess this is what you get. I can accept being the scapegoat when we do things my way and they don't work out. But when you have no control how things are handled, and you are still the scapegoat, I don't go for that."

Good to see the gutless wonder still isn't above completely ripping people that helped make him rich and successful... if he gave 1/100th the effort a fringe NBA player like Chris Quinn did, he'd no doubt be the greatest frontcourt player in NBA history. It's a shame that he's a lazy, shined-up turd at this point of his career.

mkat · 03-26-2008, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by spreedom

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/p...?urn=nba,73485

Good to see the gutless wonder still isn't above completely ripping people that helped make him rich and successful... if he gave 1/100th the effort a fringe NBA player like Chris Quinn did, he'd no doubt be the greatest frontcourt player in NBA history. It's a shame that he's a lazy, shined-up turd at this point of his career.

i can't believe they made shaq and escape goat.

ghazi · 03-27-2008, 12:47 AM

Lakers looked pretty bad. Bad loss for them, even without Bynum/Gasol/Ariza

nashtymavsfan13 · 03-27-2008, 12:51 AM

Lakers lose and Kobe gets ejected, nice

Dtownsfinest · 03-27-2008, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ghazi

Lakers looked pretty bad. Bad loss for them, even without Bynum/Gasol/Ariza

Isn't that 3 of their 5 best players lol? Is it possible for them to even have a bad loss?

LonghornDub · 03-27-2008, 02:37 AM

I always find it funny when people, for some reason, mention Ariza with Gasol and Bynum in detailing the Lakers' injuries.

spreedom · 03-27-2008, 07:25 AM

Ariza can flat-out play, man.... I'd love to see him in a Dallas uniform (provided he was healthy, of course).

mcsluggo · 03-27-2008, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by longsufferingmavsfan

I regret it because if we had changed the offense Devin could have had better assist numbers, come on now think about it Devin barely could get any assists on a team that won 67 games but now he is getting tons of assists on the nets?! It's our offense that needed to be changed, this trade was unnecessary imo.

the overall line of logic in this post is a bit hard to follow;;;; let me see if I can map it.

mavs win 67 games, but devin haris has a limited number of assists. When he moves to the nets, who win many fewer games, devin haris gets many more assists (in a limited sample).

ergo the mavs offense is flawed.

devin haris' assist numbers should've been the over-riding measure of success for the mavs offense?

i am not taking a stand her on whether or not the kidd/harris trade was a good one for the mavs... but the argument you articulated here was thoroughly unconvincing.

monty55555 · 03-27-2008, 10:57 PM

Hoping against hope... please win Trail Blazers.

monty55555 · 03-27-2008, 11:33 PM

Oh well. GS will win.

Caseman · 03-27-2008, 11:39 PM

Remember when we were talking about passing the Spurs like 2 weeks ago? Ah, good times.

Flacolaco · 03-27-2008, 11:40 PM

9 of 20 for 3's.

Yeah, thats basketball.

chumdawg · 03-28-2008, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

9 of 20 for 3's.

Yeah, thats basketball.

27 points out of 20 shots? I don't even know who you are referring to, but I do know that that is damn good basketball.

Dim499 · 03-28-2008, 12:27 AM

Charles Barkley just said Dallas has a better chance of beating GS without Dirk than with him. It's really upsetting me. How can he be so stupid. They couldn't beat them 4 on 2 last year. So how are they going to beat them 5 on 5 ?

chumdawg · 03-28-2008, 12:29 AM

4 on 2?

Dim499 · 03-28-2008, 12:30 AM

Well you know because of the triple teaming of Dirk that leaves 4vs2. Maybe thats not quite scientificly correct.

chumdawg · 03-28-2008, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Dim499

Well you know because of the triple teaming of Dirk that leaves 4vs2. Maybe thats not quite scientificly correct.

Oh, I see. Well, if only it were that easy!

me770706 · 03-28-2008, 12:37 AM

thanks for clearing that up, dim

rabbitproof · 03-28-2008, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Dim499

Well you know because of the triple teaming of Dirk that leaves 4vs2. Maybe thats not quite scientificly correct.

Yes, it is clearly a religious matter.

ghazi · 03-28-2008, 10:15 AM

I think Charles Barkley has an incredible amount of respect for Dirk. I don't think he meant it to slight Dirk.

I tend to agree though, due to Golden State's style, they're still a very beatable team for a team like us, even without Dirk... Brandon Bass really needs to start though... I did not catch any of the first 2 meetings year but I hope the coach assumes that 11 and 11 per game for Bass is not a damn fluke.

Malik Allen is whack!

twistaeffect2004 · 03-28-2008, 07:09 PM

Devin:

7/11

21 points, 6 assists, 3 rebounds in the first half against the Pacers

MavsFanFinley · 03-28-2008, 07:24 PM

Harris having another nice game but that's nothing new.

The Hornets are up 2 on Boston with about 6 minutes left in the half.

Brent Barry appears to have tweaked something in a practice and had to cut his workout short. It doesn't look like he'll be helping them this season.

mavsfan1000 · 03-28-2008, 07:29 PM

Harris is doing great. Wish we didn't do the trade.

MavsFanFinley · 03-28-2008, 11:04 PM

Kobe Bryant has 42 points with 8 minutes left in the 3rd. Lakers have a 2 point lead over Memphis.

MavsFanFinley · 03-29-2008, 12:09 AM

Memphis beats the Lakers in LA. What a crushing loss for the Lakers this late in the season. Kobe ends up with 53 points. I think he had 51 at the end of 3 quarters but only managed 2 in the 4th.

WayOutWest · 03-29-2008, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by MavsFanFinley

Memphis beats the Lakers in LA. What a crushing loss for the Lakers this late in the season. Kobe ends up with 53 points. I think he had 51 at the end of 3 quarters but only managed 2 in the 4th.

Not really crushing considering all the injuries and Odom fighting the flu. Even Fisher is hurt now, the Lakers are the walking wounded. It was more of a frustrating loss because the Lakers played really dumb, they shot 40+ 3 point attempts, ridiculous. This was supposed to be the easy part of the schedule and they are really blowing it. Phil Jackson pulled and Avery and stopped coaching in the middle of the game. The Lakers really need Gasol back on the court ASAP.

twelli · 03-29-2008, 12:17 AM

I followed the game on game cast so I don't really know what happened. All I know is that Kobe didn't shoot in the last few minutes and they attempted to win the game by allowing Vujajic and Odom shooting three-pointers. How smart. Thanks Memphis for showing us how low the Lakers' basketball IQ is and/or how to deny Kobe the ball when the game is on the line.

If the Lakers are the No. 1 seed we don't really have to fear anybody in the playoffs (provided we make them).

ghazi · 03-29-2008, 12:21 AM

The Lakers can't use the injury excuse for that pathetic loss.

They couldn't control the paint against Darko and Collins (double bust)... their perimeter defense was weak as well. the quickness of Lowry and Conley was a problem for them all night

and their offense? all it was was jacking up 3's... although the grizzlies basically lured them into it with their zone defense.

This was a really bad loss for the Lakers... injuries are not an excuse against a team with over 50 losses and a 5-30 road record.

Dtownsfinest · 03-29-2008, 12:33 AM

They can't use the injury excuse lol? Bynum and Gasol are out and they can't use the excuse? Odom sick with the flu? The 40 shot nights for Kobe have been rare this season and when he has to shoot that much expect a loss. Memphis played well. One of their better games of the season.

mkat · 03-29-2008, 12:35 AM

how the crap do we lose to the lakers but the lose to the grizz? c'mon.

twelli · 03-29-2008, 12:39 AM

I still wonder why Kobe didn't attack the basket when they were down by 5 or less in the last few minutes. He always finds a way for a layup or gets the foul. There is no excuse for having two players with bad shooting nights (one of them sick as it turned out) to shoot from beyond the arc. Hello...

ghazi · 03-29-2008, 12:40 AM

you know what's kinda sad though, I still think their defense would give us some problems.

the Grizz had quick point guards whose penetration caused a lot of problems for the Lakers and scored 60 points in the paint ... do we have either of those? I don't think so.

man the grizz have A LOT of nice guards though... + Rudy Gay who is a stud

However, we are better defensively than the Grizz so I dunno

WayOutWest · 03-29-2008, 01:39 AM

I agree the injuries are an excuse when facing teams like the Grizz and Bobcats considering they beat the Jazz in Utah. The defense really sucks right now for the Lakers and their offense is not much better. The Lakers, including Kobe, have become a perimeter team, no inside game or slashing. The way the Lakers are playing the only teams they can beat in the playoffs are the Mavs and Warriors, maybe the Hornets but I doubt it.

The Lakers really need their big men back and for Fish and Ariza to get healthy.

ghazi · 03-29-2008, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

They can't use the injury excuse lol? Bynum and Gasol are out and they can't use the excuse? Odom sick with the flu? The 40 shot nights for Kobe have been rare this season and when he has to shoot that much expect a loss. Memphis played well. One of their better games of the season.

yes dtowns finest, they CANNOT use the injury excuse against a team with over 50 losses and only 5 road wins.

Just like the Mavs cannot use Dirks injury as an excuse to drop games against the likes of the Clippers and Sonics.

Their perimeter defense and interior defense look really bad right now. This is not a new trend, their interior and perimeter defense had issues with Gasol as well. They have had trouble with quick guards all year, and Gasol himself isn't exactly a defensive juggernaut... heck Turiaf and Mbenga are arguably better on the defensive end.

They need Bynum to come back and pick up where he left off, because Gasol alone and their defense is too flawed to win it all.

WayOutWest · 03-29-2008, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ghazi

yes dtowns finest, they CANNOT use the injury excuse against a team with over 50 losses and only 5 road wins.

Just like the Mavs cannot use Dirks injury as an excuse to drop games against the likes of the Clippers and Sonics.

Their perimeter defense and interior defense look really bad right now. This is not a new trend, their interior and perimeter defense had issues with Gasol as well. They have had trouble with quick guards all year, and Gasol himself isn't exactly a defensive juggernaut... heck Turiaf and Mbenga are arguably better on the defensive end.

They need Bynum to come back and pick up where he left off, because Gasol alone and their defense is too flawed to win it all.

Ariza would help alot as well because the paint is wide open because Kobe and Fish are the only adequet perimeter defenders, and Fisher lost a step durring his first stint with the Lakers, he relys more on savy then ability at this point in his career. If Ariza and Kobe can hold down the perimeter then Gasol and Bynum won't be asked to be Bill Russel in the paint.

I have a feeling that the Lakers will be facing the Suns in the first round, the need to get their act together before facing the Nash lead Suns last horrah and a motivated Shaq.