04-30-2008, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by jthig32
"We probably could have done more than have Jason be a weak side shoooter"
Dirk being honest, and you can just tell it kills him to second guess Avery in the media. He loves that dude.
"You don't want to go beack to the Nellie days where you just run and gun."
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Dirk for coach?
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04-30-2008, 06:59 PM
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I wonder if Avery even understood his firing? Or was he muttering "Iso! Run an iso for Stack! Howard!" to the tune of "Who's on First?" through the whole press conference.
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04-30-2008, 07:29 PM
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#203
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good luck AJ~
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04-30-2008, 07:30 PM
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#204
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Golden Member
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avery is good for one thing and one thing only -- beating the spurs....anything else, and the mavs are going to get outcoached
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04-30-2008, 07:37 PM
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Diamond Member
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this fisher person wrote an article
dbmrfish, whoever he is, has a tired one-sided slant
this fish person could make Jesus sound like Ozzy Ozzbourne if he wanted to
my favorite part is the knock on Avery Johnson's body of work and the part about the perennial contender remaining status quo
Coach of the Year, Finals appearance, fastest coach to 150 wins EVER, 4th most wins in NBA history (67), and screwed by the refs out of a ring
4 playoff losses b/c Josh Howard decided doobie green looked cooler than Maverick green, 4 losses b/c Jew Boy Sternish decided Salvatore's dick tasted better than Cuban's
he wasn't perfect, but the Mavericks have never done better under any other coach
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04-30-2008, 07:45 PM
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I was on the fire Avery bandwagon, but whether we want to admit it or not, we did did see amazing times with Avery Johnson at the helm. We beat the Spurs in the playoffs, we made it to the NBA Finals, Dirk won an MVP, and the defense improved dramatically. He inherited a good team, but those first 2 years his guys played their hearts out for him. They bought into the "system", they bought into his hard noses defensive ways and we were a better team because of it.
He has his downfalls, many of them to be honest. But Avery deserves credit. He did make a difference here. Everything comes to an end though, it was time for both parties to move in a different direction.
Good luck Avery.
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04-30-2008, 08:07 PM
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AVery was great, it was a great ride. If you consider his body of work in total then he was fine.
But he's like never won an away playoff game? He's like 2-zillion since miami? He's failed, later.
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04-30-2008, 08:08 PM
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I liked the fact that the reporter explained to Josh exactly what the problem was. It was like he was his parent, which is what Josh needs obviously because I feel he is very immature for 29 year old.
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04-30-2008, 08:10 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by twistaeffect2004
I was on the fire Avery bandwagon, but whether we want to admit it or not, we did did see amazing times with Avery Johnson at the helm. We beat the Spurs in the playoffs, we made it to the NBA Finals, Dirk won an MVP, and the defense improved dramatically. He inherited a good team, but those first 2 years his guys played their hearts out for him. They bought into the "system", they bought into his hard noses defensive ways and we were a better team because of it.
He has his downfalls, many of them to be honest. But Avery deserves credit. He did make a difference here. Everything comes to an end though, it was time for both parties to move in a different direction.
Good luck Avery.
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It's funny, because it could quite easily end up being the case that Avery is the main reason that the Spurs aren't 4x consecutive champions come mid-June of this year.
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04-30-2008, 08:55 PM
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I read this from another forum and it was written by a fan of another team. Its quite a good read. I apologize in advance for the profanities you may read. I couldn't edit it as I felt it would decrease the impact of the post.
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I have to admit my personal disdain for Johnson stems from his handling of the players Howard, Nowitzki and Kidd.
For some inexplicable reason, he decided at some point that Josh Howard was the superior scorer, that Dirk should stop shooting 3-pointers and that Dirk should get a tongue-lashing whenever he missed a longer jumper. At the same time Josh Howard could do whatever the fuсk he wanted out there. In my opinion, that clearly got to Josh's head. The Josh Howard who was a lock-down defender and explosive slasher to the basket has been gone for quite a while. Instead we are seeing a jump-shooting guy who got the green light in every single 1st quarter of every game of the season.
Think about that. It didn't matter if Dirk was hot early on or if Terry hit a couple of 3-pointers, it was Josh's ball in the first half of every game. Avery's comment "WE LIKE TO GET JOSH GOING EAAAAARLY!" says it all. Watching the reigning MVP being reduced to the role of decoy and passing station for Josh fuсking Howard was nigh unbearable. Experts labeled Don Nelson a mad scientist for tinkering with line-ups and match-ups. Well, Avery turned the whole thing upside down: he took the single biggest match-up advantage the team had and decided to stop using it. Awesome. That "experiment" ended after a couple of weeks and suddenly the Mavs were winning again, while Dirk averaged his usual 25ppg. Then they added Kidd and Dirk's numbers went through the roof (something close to 29ppg, need to re-check).
Ah yes, Jason Kidd. Let's count the ways Avery pooped all over the place. You can not bring in an aging Hall of Fame point guard, a guy still averaging 10/10/8, and call every single play from the side-line. You call every single play if your PG is Tyrone Lue. When the name on the jersey says "Kidd", you give him the ball, call out plays from time to time and let him run the whole thing the rest of the day. The couple of games that Dallas actually looked like a juggernaut again where the very games Johnson shut the fuсk up and handed the reins to Jason.
Another cool idea: focus on Kidd's shooting and tell every reporter in the world that Jason "NEEDS TO SHOOT WITH CONFIDEEEENCE!". Like it's some mind-blowing revelation that Kidd can't shoot worth a lick. You brought the guy in to run fast-breaks and get the ball to Dirk/Josh/Terry. You are calling out all the plays, thus eliminating Kidd's greatest strength at this point, his creativity, and on top of that you are focusing on his shooting to criticize him? You couldn't fuсk up the whole situation any worse if you hired Isiah Thomas as head coach.
Which brings me to the whole "Dirk is a choker!" debate and Avery's role as head coach during the Finals 2006 and the 1st round of 2007. Avery Johnson got ripped to shreds, two years in a row, by superior coaches. He got his entrails handed to him on a silver plater and somehow he managed to dodge all the blaming bullets, yet the few stray projectiles that actually were headed his way? He deftly re-directed them towards his Dirk Nowitzki, who needed to become "MORE OF A LEAAAADER!". Dirk fuсked up during the epic meltdown against the Warriors but Avery did all he could to put his team in a hole by coaching with his head in the sand. Good riddance.
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http://dallasbasketballdotcom.yuku.c...ks---read.html
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04-30-2008, 09:10 PM
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#211
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Originally Posted by monty55555
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what is time for a change?...I guess.
Dirk (who is pure class) is not hurting by this move.
"should not have made him a weak side spot up shooter"...."But Avery believed in his system" on how the offense fit or didn't fit Jason Kidd.
EVERYONE WATCH THIS VIDEO
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04-30-2008, 09:12 PM
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What video?
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05-01-2008, 01:10 AM
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what bugs me a bit is that he is saying that "we got older and slower" while he was the one bringing in all those "veteran players" with all their "playoff experience". there arent many 25 year old athletic veterans out there....
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05-01-2008, 01:44 AM
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who said that lor?
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