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chumdawg · 02-16-2012, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

Not sure you read them, actually. Isn't there a meatloaf that needs cooking?

Oh, dear.

CadBane · 02-17-2012, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

Oh, dear.

I have a second grade education.

SMC0007 · 02-17-2012, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux

Well, when you quote me and say there's no objectivity, that's the inference I make.

Also, not sure who is claiming he's a future all-star... maybe smc is the only one? Everyone else seems to be thinking it's a great story and he could be a factor in the league.

I didn't claim he is a future all-star. I said he is a starter in this league (and I'm right).

Big Boy Laroux · 02-17-2012, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

Yes, because random fans on Twitter hold more credence than USA Today...

You stated that you have not seen anyone saying anything of this nature as though that makes it so. It's not.

I'm not saying *you* agree with them. Heck, I don't even oppose your position on Lin. I'm just saying that there *are* people that are jumping the gun on Lin. More than you'd think. Thus my cry for more objectivity in general concerning Lin.

You love to pick one small part of a post and argue against that. Always a sign of a master debater...

I follow sports and NBA writers, anchors, TV personalities. My inclusion of fans was simply to point out that even the average Joes I follow (friends, dm.com posters, etc) aren't sensationalizing Lin either.

Of course people exist that are overrrating Lin. With any polarizing event, there are people on both extremes of the spectrum.

My original point was about this board, then I expanded to ESPN and then to other personalities whose opinions are actually respected. Some random local CBS writer? Some USA TODAY writer? Not respected.

Big Boy Laroux · 02-17-2012, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

I didn't claim he is a future all-star. I said he is a starter in this league (and I'm right).

Thanks for confirming. Couldn't remember exactly what you had said. You're really the one on this board giving Lin the most praise, and you're not even saying he'll be an all-star.

chumdawg · 02-17-2012, 12:38 AM

My hunch is that ol' Cad won't be able to respond to you for a little while.

Could be wrong, though!

xrobx · 02-17-2012, 01:56 AM

Well, now that that's taken care of....

Is Lin a first-ballot hall of famer? Or do you think they might make him wait a few years before he's inducted like they did Pete Maravich and Tiny Archibald?

CadBane · 02-17-2012, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux

You love to pick one small part of a post and argue against that. Always a sign of a master debater...

I follow sports and NBA writers, anchors, TV personalities. My inclusion of fans was simply to point out that even the average Joes I follow (friends, dm.com posters, etc) aren't sensationalizing Lin either.

Of course people exist that are overrrating Lin. With any polarizing event, there are people on both extremes of the spectrum.

My original point was about this board, then I expanded to ESPN and then to other personalities whose opinions are actually respected. Some random local CBS writer? Some USA TODAY writer? Not respected.

So CBS and USA today are "random"? C'mon, man...

Okay, so YOU haven't seen people saying it. I HAVE. So really, I guess we're seeing different things. I too follow various writers, anchors, commentators, fans, boards, etc. And what I've been seeing is a lot of non-objective, singular praise.

CadBane · 02-17-2012, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

I have a second grade education.

Why was my post edited? As a Mod, you have carte blanche to not only edit posts, but to insult other members in said post? Shouldn't you be banned for the blatant personal attack you just committed?

Just curious. Maybe a more objective Mod could lend some insight...

chumdawg · 02-17-2012, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

Why was my post edited? As a Mod, you have carte blanche to not only edit posts, but to insult other members in said post? Shouldn't you be banned for the blatant personal attack you just committed?

Just curious. Maybe a more objective Mod could lend some insight...

Trust me, I'm more disappointed than you are that the post was edited.

Big Boy Laroux · 02-17-2012, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

So CBS and USA today are "random"? C'mon, man...

Okay, so YOU haven't seen people saying it. I HAVE. So really, I guess we're seeing different things. I too follow various writers, anchors, commentators, fans, boards, etc. And what I've been seeing is a lot of non-objective, singular praise.

I said the local CBS writer was random. Which he is. Ever heard of the guy before you Googled for that link?

I never said USA Today was random - i said they are not a respected opinion on sports, which is absolutely true.

I have seen lots of praise, I've never denied that. However, I have not seen anyone claiming the guy to be a future all-star caliber player (which, by the way, is different than the articles you linked, which were calling for Lin on the all-star team for popularity/ratings reasons).

Now, if he remains in the NBA in any capacity in the future, he probably will make the all-star team, based solely on international voting - and that will be a travesty.

Skywalker · 02-17-2012, 10:23 AM

now im curious to know the original content of cadbanes post lol

xrobx · 02-17-2012, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Skywalker

now im curious to know the original content of cadbanes post lol

Same here, but that meatloaf comment was gold

Skywalker · 02-17-2012, 11:03 AM

true haha

rabbitproof · 02-17-2012, 01:11 PM

The guy's seven games into his career. It's hard to project anything with accuracy. I've thrown around Jose Calderon meets Jose Juan Barea and maybe homeless man's Nash but it's all guess work - like CB's proclamation he's not starter-worthy.

This guy may have saved a franchise's season (arguably the most important franchise media-wise). It's great for Ivy Leaguers, Asian-Americans, guys who didn't get D1 offers and underdogs in general. Also, maybe equally important to his basketball skills in terms of team success and "linning", his team has just absolutely rallied around him. It's a great, great sports story. It's also not like it's boring basketball. Turnovers and all, he's been exciting to watch. Small man aggressively driving inside, good ball movement, high risk plays and fast breaks (including the other teams') - it's the stuff casual fans (and many hardcore fans) want to watch.

Kidd Karma · 02-17-2012, 07:50 PM

As long as D'Antoni's his coach, he'll be all right. I can see 12-10 with D'Antoni in charge.

rabbitproof · 02-17-2012, 08:58 PM

The turnovers are getting kinda ridiculous.. growing pains of a young and inexperienced PG, I suppose.

xrobx · 02-17-2012, 09:27 PM

jeremy lin 10th in the race for his first league mvp

http://www.nba.com/mvp-ladder/2011-12/index.html

Big Boy Laroux · 02-17-2012, 09:30 PM

All he has to do is not turn it over at all in the second half and he keeps his normal pace...

Scoobay · 02-17-2012, 09:44 PM

9 to's already... blech. ugly

CadBane · 02-17-2012, 10:11 PM

9 tos to 5 assist...

CadBane · 02-17-2012, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by xrobx

jeremy lin 10th in the race for his first league mvp

http://www.nba.com/mvp-ladder/2011-12/index.html

But no one overrates him!

rabbitproof · 02-17-2012, 10:22 PM

Knicks probably losing as Lin has his worst game since arriving.

A loss will be good for them and especially Lin (before the hype gets more insane). Will also force him to protect the ball more.

CadBane · 02-17-2012, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rabbitproof

Knicks probably losing as Lin has his worst game since arriving.

Yet just now I watch an ESPN highlight on Lin doing good things.

Oh hey, they just showed his stat line on ESPN...guess what was missing? The turnover column!

But ESPN isn't bias, right?

chumdawg · 02-17-2012, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

9 tos to 5 assist...

Aren't you the same guy who constantly harped on Barea as a terrible player, despite his 2+-to-1 assist-to-turnover ratio?

Boy, you can sure cherry pick when you have an agenda.

Big Boy Laroux · 02-17-2012, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

But no one overrates him!

I don't see a problem with rating him on this season's mvp list, based on what he has done over the past 8 games. He doesn't deserve to win, but he is in the conversation of top 10 to 15, based on recent performance. The question is whether he can sustain the performance.

rabbitproof · 02-17-2012, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux

I don't see a problem with rating him on this season's mvp list, based on what he has done over the past 8 games. He doesn't deserve to win, but he is in the conversation of top 10 to 15, based on recent performance. The question is whether he can sustain the performance.

Agree. The number of games isn't there but the performance and team impact are definitely worthy.

rabbitproof · 02-17-2012, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

Yet just now I watch an ESPN highlight on Lin doing good things.

Oh hey, they just showed his stat line on ESPN...guess what was missing? The turnover column!

But ESPN isn't bias, right?

He still did a lot of good things in his worst game. 26 points off 18 shots, two treys, four steals. The only glitch is the 9 turnovers.

Don't know what ESPN does. Don't really care.

CadBane · 02-17-2012, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

Aren't you the same guy who constantly harped on Barea as a terrible player, despite his 2+-to-1 assist-to-turnover ratio?

Boy, you can sure cherry pick when you have an agenda.

I never once called Barea a terrible player. You're the one cherry picking. JJB was a big part of our team last year. I thought there were certain matchups where he was exposed and/or shouldn't have seen as much time as he did. But a terrible player? Heck no (and JJB's weaknesses/strengths are different than Lin, so I'm not sure what your point is).

CadBane · 02-17-2012, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by rabbitproof

He still did a lot of good things in his worst game. 26 points off 18 shots, two treys, four steals. The only glitch is the 9 turnovers.

Don't know what ESPN does. Don't really care.

And he only had 5 assists and they lost to N.O....at home. Also, he probably shouldn't be taking 18 shots in this kind of game (he did get to the FT line, I know).

You don't care what ESPN does. Other people do. I'm saying flashing his stat line, while ignoring his biggest stat (9 tos) is disingenuous BS.

Underdog · 02-17-2012, 11:05 PM

And the Knicks slip under .500 again after losing to the Western Conference-worst New Orleans Hornets.

The national media wouldn't give a crap about "Linsanity" if it had happened anywhere other than the most overrated city on the planet (great story, don't get me wrong, but NYC is just so damn full of itself that even a wet fart is perceived as the equivalent to dropping a nuclear bomb...)

xrobx · 02-17-2012, 11:40 PM

let's send them to two losses in a row on sunday.

b_o_r · 02-18-2012, 12:02 AM

Love the Lin story because it is needed with the poor basketball that has been on display, but I read an interesting tidbit in the Metro:

Carmelo has been tagged as a ball hog but on average he takes one less shot per game than Lin has taken during his meteoric rise. Remind you, Lin is the point guard and Carmelo is the Small forward.

chumdawg · 02-18-2012, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

I never once called Barea a terrible player. You're the one cherry picking. JJB was a big part of our team last year. I thought there were certain matchups where he was exposed and/or shouldn't have seen as much time as he did. But a terrible player? Heck no (and JJB's weaknesses/strengths are different than Lin, so I'm not sure what your point is).

Wow...just, wow. You gave me about a two-year workout, defending Barea against your mean-spirited rants...and now you have a sort of respect for him?

I'm not surprised, on the one hand. But...this does make me giggle...hard.

Scoobay · 02-18-2012, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by b_o_r

Love the Lin story because it is needed with the poor basketball that has been on display, but I read an interesting tidbit in the Metro:

Carmelo has been tagged as a ball hog but on average he takes one less shot per game than Lin has taken during his meteoric rise. Remind you, Lin is the point guard and Carmelo is the Small forward.

that certainly is a lot of shots/game but i think some context would balance things out here...

most of these games have been played without their starting SF (melo) and starting PF. who else was going to take those shots? Bill Walker?

Lin is shooting almost 50% from the field. Melo is shooting how well this year? just below 40%. Melo has definitely had better years - career 45-46%.

I haven't seen all his games. Probably there are times he forces things, but from what i've seen he often makes good decisions on pass/shoot. Can't say i've seen him force his shots. Now his passing and TO's however...

CadBane · 02-18-2012, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

Wow...just, wow. You gave me about a two-year workout, defending Barea against your mean-spirited rants...and now you have a sort of respect for him?

I'm not surprised, on the one hand. But...this does make me giggle...hard.

Like I said, your head must be an...interesting...place to live.

We usually only sparred on JJB because you would defend him tooth and nail no matter the situation and no matter how poorly he played.

chumdawg · 02-18-2012, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

Like I said, your head must be an...interesting...place to live.

We usually only sparred on JJB because you would defend him tooth and nail no matter the situation and no matter how poorly he played.

"Defend" him? He didn't need a defense, as it bore out. I wouldn't call it a "defense" as much as I would call it a "charitable redirection" of folks like you, who thought that he was overplayed.

I'm here to help you, CB, not to hurt you.

CadBane · 02-18-2012, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

"Defend" him? He didn't need a defense, as it bore out. I wouldn't call it a "defense" as much as I would call it a "charitable redirection" of folks like you, who thought that he was overplayed.

I'm here to help you, CB, not to hurt you.

Yes...because you win a ring, it means that there were never times when a player was misused throughout the year...

Big Boy Laroux · 02-18-2012, 01:24 AM

Flipped on sportscenter. Very first stat mentioned about Lin? 8 first half turnovers (with footage and turnover analysis by Bowen). Magic also went into the turnovers as well.

He did settle down in second half (1 turnover). Bigger story probably the Knicks going 4-24 from 3.

CadBane · 02-18-2012, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Boy Laroux

Flipped on sportscenter. Very first stat mentioned about Lin? 8 first half turnovers (with footage and turnover analysis by Bowen). Magic also went into the turnovers as well.

He did settle down in second half (1 turnover). Bigger story probably the Knicks going 4-24 from 3.

Yes, NOW I'm finally seeing it mentioned. It was just funny during the Mavs game, they flashed Lin's boxscore and purposely excluded his turnovers.

At this point it's finally being discussed, so I'm content.