You have GOT to be kidding me...R-Jeff opts out - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

LonghornDub · 06-30-2010, 06:57 PM

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/s..._97529699.html

The guy with the worst PPG drop in the league last year just opted out of a guaranteed $15 mil. The Spurs' absurd luck continues.

What a freaking idiot.

BGMaverick9 · 06-30-2010, 06:58 PM

I was just about to post this but I didn't know if I should make a new thread.

The guy is DUMB!! He better be praying he gets a taker.

fluid.forty.one · 06-30-2010, 06:59 PM

Maybe Pop threatened to kill him if he stayed.

fluid.forty.one · 06-30-2010, 07:00 PM

I wonder if he opted out of his contract faster than his marriage?

BGMaverick9 · 06-30-2010, 07:01 PM

Well...the one way it kind of hurts the spurs is that expiring contract would've been a nice piece to dangle over the course of the year.

fluid.forty.one · 06-30-2010, 07:04 PM

ya but... NOT having R-Jeff on the court + NOT paying $15 mill outweighs that by a lot.

BGMaverick9 · 06-30-2010, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

ya but... NOT having R-Jeff on the court + NOT paying $15 mill outweighs that by a lot.

Right, they're clearly off the hook. That's the only major negative I saw to the news.

xrobx · 06-30-2010, 07:07 PM

the spurs will be glad to be rid of him, i'm sure

fluid.forty.one · 06-30-2010, 07:07 PM

I wonder how this affects their supposed shopping of Parker...

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-30-2010, 07:17 PM

What lucky BS. I hope the Nets offer you a max deal....

jthig32 · 06-30-2010, 07:17 PM

Wow...just....wow

LonghornDub · 06-30-2010, 07:25 PM

I'd like to point out that, just about a year ago today, there was a thread on here freaking out that the Spurs had acquired Jefferson. Now, one year later, there's a thread freaking out that Jefferson is leaving the Spurs.

Funny how things change.

Underdog · 06-30-2010, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

I'd like to point out that, just about a year ago today, there was a thread on here freaking out that the Spurs had acquired Jefferson. Now, one year later, there's a thread freaking out that Jefferson is leaving the Spurs.

Funny how things change.

Allow me to add another "I told you so" to the fire...

BGMaverick9 · 06-30-2010, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

I wonder how this affects their supposed shopping of Parker...

The asking price can easily be a wing player now if they want it to be.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-30-2010, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

I'd like to point out that, just about a year ago today, there was a thread on here freaking out that the Spurs had acquired Jefferson. Now, one year later, there's a thread freaking out that Jefferson is leaving the Spurs.

Funny how things change.

It is a good point, but it still doesn't explain how ridiculously unbelievable this is. I truly feel bad for the team that is dumb enough to sign him.

LonghornDub · 06-30-2010, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Allow me to add another "I told you so" to the fire...

Same here. In fairness, I didn't think he'd be quite as much of a bust as he was, but I never bought into the whole "missing piece" theory. He is one of the many, many guys in the league who had good scoring numbers because he was one of the best players on a crappy team (Milwaukee).

xrobx · 06-30-2010, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Allow me to add another "I told you so" to the fire...

what did you tell us, not to worry about the spurs?

Dirkenstien · 06-30-2010, 07:36 PM

Wow. He must be trying to lock in some post new CBA security. That's a lot of money to pass up.

sefant77 · 06-30-2010, 07:42 PM

Actually hes hurting the Spurs more.

His huge expiring contract was their best trade asset. And now they have no SF with the MLE maybe going to Splitter.

Sure Spurs saving money, but all the other aspects suck for them :P

I read rumors the Nets wanna give him 35/4 but i doubt that. And otherwise he wont get a bigger deal than MLE/5 years.

Dirkenstien · 06-30-2010, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Actually hes hurting the Spurs more.

His huge expiring contract was their best trade asset. And now they have no SF with the MLE maybe going to Splitter.

Sure Spurs saving money, but all the other aspects suck for them :P

I read rumors the Nets wanna give him 35/4 but i doubt that. And otherwise he wont get a bigger deal than MLE/5 years.

Do the Spurs even have the MLE now since this move puts them about $3mil under the cap?

sefant77 · 06-30-2010, 07:59 PM

Im pretty sure yes because i think you have either the MLE or more than this as free cap.

BGMaverick9 · 06-30-2010, 08:14 PM

Who is going to get the bigger contract:
T-Mac or RJ?

jthig32 · 06-30-2010, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Actually hes hurting the Spurs more.

His huge expiring contract was their best trade asset. And now they have no SF with the MLE maybe going to Splitter.

Sure Spurs saving money, but all the other aspects suck for them :P

I read rumors the Nets wanna give him 35/4 but i doubt that. And otherwise he wont get a bigger deal than MLE/5 years.

You are high. The Spurs had never payed the luxury tax before RJ. There is zero chance they were going to trade him for a longer, similar contract. This is a huge, huge bonus for the Spurs.

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Originally Posted by Dirkenstien

Do the Spurs even have the MLE now since this move puts them about $3mil under the cap?

I don't think they're under the projected cap. They're bound to have some cap holds in there somewhere. I don't have time to look right now though.

mac222b · 06-30-2010, 08:29 PM

so he's going to forego 15 million for 1yr. so that he can secure a 3 yr.15million deal from someone else. i see the logic there...i really do

dalger · 06-30-2010, 08:30 PM

Is this really a good thing for the Spurs? They no longer have a small forward (having Jefferson is perhaps better than having nobody...), just lost a massive $15 million trade chip and only have the MLE and LLE to make up for it. They could have used that money to add someone of importance to last year's team. Now they'll have to use (parts of) it to get back to last year's level instead of improving the team.

Our situation with Kidd last year was somewhat similar: Had he left and gone to New York, we would have been forced to use parts of our available pieces (Stack & MLE) for a new point guard and couldn't have added Marion and Gooden to a team WITH Kidd.

LonghornDub · 06-30-2010, 08:31 PM

Well, I think we're all forgetting the obvious explanation here: the city of San Antonio really, really blows.

sefant77 · 06-30-2010, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

You are high. The Spurs had never payed the luxury tax before RJ. There is zero chance they were going to trade him for a longer, similar contract. This is a huge, huge bonus for the Spurs.

Maybe u are high?

Spurs decided to pay LT because the clock is more than ticking with Duncan and Gino. Right now its even more ticking and the next 3 years (Ginos contract) the Spurs will pay some LT if they think its the right deal (Al Jefferson, maybe even a Deng etc).

mac222b · 06-30-2010, 08:40 PM

i'm not high. but i wish i were

mac222b · 06-30-2010, 08:41 PM

maybe RJ opted out because he's gay

mac222b · 06-30-2010, 08:41 PM

or should i say he thinks he's as good as Gay

Underdog · 06-30-2010, 08:43 PM

What's all this about homosexuals smoking weed?

Jefferson is an ass-clown...

jthig32 · 06-30-2010, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Maybe u are high?

Spurs decided to pay LT because the clock is more than ticking with Duncan and Gino. Right now its even more ticking and the next 3 years (Ginos contract) the Spurs will pay some LT if they think its the right deal (Al Jefferson, maybe even a Deng etc).

But they were going to pay luxury tax this season for a terrible player, or trade him away for a longer team contract that would have stretched into the new CBA.

The Mavs look at bad contracts as assets that can be flipped for longer contracts. Very, very few other teams do. And the Spurs absolutely 100% do not.

Sorry dude, this is in no way bad for the Spurs. It is, in fact, a massive stroke of luck for them. Marc Stein referred to it as "winning the lottery". Art Garcia asked if Buford just won GM of the year. That's how much of a windfall this is for the Spurs.

jthig32 · 06-30-2010, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dalger

Is this really a good thing for the Spurs? They no longer have a small forward (having Jefferson is perhaps better than having nobody...), just lost a massive $15 million trade chip and only have the MLE and LLE to make up for it. They could have used that money to add someone of importance to last year's team. Now they'll have to use (parts of) it to get back to last year's level instead of improving the team.

Our situation with Kidd last year was somewhat similar: Had he left and gone to New York, we would have been forced to use parts of our available pieces (Stack & MLE) for a new point guard and couldn't have added Marion and Gooden to a team WITH Kidd.

Yes, it is a very, very, very good thing.

Hell they can re-sign RJ for a much more reasonable contract if they want him back so badly.

MaVs 41 BaLler · 06-30-2010, 09:56 PM

Only luck for him is to sign wherever cp3, nash or those guys end up; he can't play with a selfish point guard.

rmacomic · 06-30-2010, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Well, I think we're all forgetting the obvious explanation here: the city of San Antonio really, really blows.

QFT

fluid.forty.one · 06-30-2010, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

I don't think they're under the projected cap. They're bound to have some cap holds in there somewhere. I don't have time to look right now though.

read this on db.com: According to McDonald (from the San Antonio newspaper), the Spurs will remain over the cap but sink beneath the luxury tax.

dalger · 07-01-2010, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Yes, it is a very, very, very good thing.

Hell they can re-sign RJ for a much more reasonable contract if they want him back so badly.

I read quite a lot of fan reactions on the interwebs that actually suggest that the Spurs just lost a valuable trade chip. What did the Spurs gain other than financial relief? They could have used Jefferson's contract in February to bring in a guy who could have helped Duncan, Ginobili and maybe Parker, depending on whether or not he gets traded, to make another run at the championship. Who's to say the Spurs FO wouldn't have tried just that?

It's certainly not that they want "him back so badly", and even that doesn't seem to be a guarantee at this point. They might not even want him for $10 instead of $15 million a year. It's his contract that could have made a difference and helped them for Duncan's final two years.

If they were really determined to win another ring in the Duncan era, I just don't think that Jefferson's move would be the blessing you make it out to be. They have no small forward at this point and probably don't have the cap space or pieces to get a better one than Jefferson. If they re-signed him, they would just get a guy back they were disappointed with and couldn't use his contract to actually improve.

jthig32 · 07-01-2010, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by dalger

I read quite a lot of fan reactions on the interwebs that actually suggest that the Spurs just lost a valuable trade chip. What did the Spurs gain other than financial relief? They could have used Jefferson's contract in February to bring in a guy who could have helped Duncan, Ginobili and maybe Parker, depending on whether or not he gets traded, to make another run at the championship. Who's to say the Spurs FO wouldn't have tried just that?

It's certainly not that they want "him back so badly", and even that doesn't seem to be a guarantee at this point. They might not even want him for $10 instead of $15 million a year. It's his contract that could have made a difference and helped them for Duncan's final two years.

If they were really determined to win another ring in the Duncan era, I just don't think that Jefferson's move would be the blessing you make it out to be.

Mark Cuban does not own the Spurs. The Spurs do not have endless amounts of money and the willingness to go above and beyond most reasonable NBA budgets. The Spurs had never before been as far into the luxury tax as they were when they traded for Jefferson, and it blew up in their face fantastically. There is absolutely zero reason to believe that they were going to flip him for similar contract that extended even further.

People that are very, very plugged into the Spurs (Stein, Art Garcia) described this as "winning the lottery". Seriously, Stein compared this to getting Robinson and Duncan in the draft. Obviously an exaggeration, but it should drive home the point.

This was a huge, huge, huge windfall for the Spurs.

tcat075 · 07-01-2010, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Yes, it is a very, very, very good thing.

Hell they can re-sign RJ for a much more reasonable contract if they want him back so badly.

If that happens...I will break something. Hopefully the thing I punch, not my knuckles.

I hate those dirty Mexicans in San Antonio.

dalger · 07-01-2010, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Mark Cuban does not own the Spurs. The Spurs do not have endless amounts of money and the willingness to go above and beyond most reasonable NBA budgets. The Spurs had never before been as far into the luxury tax as they were when they traded for Jefferson, and it blew up in their face fantastically. There is absolutely zero reason to believe that they were going to flip him for similar contract that extended even further.

People that are very, very plugged into the Spurs (Stein, Art Garcia) described this as "winning the lottery". Seriously, Stein compared this to getting Robinson and Duncan in the draft. Obviously an exaggeration, but it should drive home the point.

This was a huge, huge, huge windfall for the Spurs.

Perhaps I do have a Cuban-induced point of view, true. One of the lessons they learned after trading for Jefferson could indeed be to not do it again. That said, it's only a year ago that they actually did take on his big contract for expirings. Apparently, not too long ago, there was the mindset to invest in order to have another shot at a ring. I'm not convinced they wouldn't do the same thing again if they thought they had a reasonable chance of winning as a result. Additionally, only three months ago, they signed Ginobili to a three-year, $39 million contract extension. I didn't understand that to be a sign of being cheap and not at least wanting to try to win another championship.

Jefferson's contract would have been the last chance to bring in the kind of player they need to perhaps be a contender again. MLE, LLE and Parker's contract in all likelihood won't get it done.