ESPN says Malone suspended for one game. - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Simon2 · 12-05-2003, 08:01 PM

So another team benefits from Nash's bloody mouth. He should be suspended from the Mavs game.

dude1394 · 12-05-2003, 08:05 PM

Interesting... An intentional elbow to the face of a player only gets a one-game suspension. The NBA let's us know what's acceptable.

Big_Dog · 12-05-2003, 08:08 PM

incredible... only one game?(although I wouldn´t have been surprised if he had got no penalty at all)

ReDIRKulous · 12-05-2003, 08:12 PM

I am just glad he got something for it. I thought there was no way he would get anything. I do think it is ridiculous that the amount of injury equals amount of time missed. I mean which was really worse what Fortson did? Or what Malone did? I think what Malone did was worse... but it just happened that the guy got hurt worse after what Fortson did. It is like that flagrant foul on Dirk that KG did awhile back. KG did something worse than what MAlone or Fortson did... but because Dirk wasn't "visibly" hurt(he just had some strained neck muscles) KG got no suspension.

MavKikiNYC · 12-05-2003, 08:14 PM

Friday, December 5, 2003

ESPN.com news services
NEW YORK -- Los Angeles Lakers forward Karl Malone has been suspended one game without pay for elbowing Dallas Mavericks guard Steve Nash in the head, Stu Jackson, NBA senior vice president, basketball operations, announced Friday.

The incident occurred with 9:41 remaining in the third quarter of the Lakers' 114-103 win over the Mavericks on Friday at the American Airlines Center.

Malone will miss the Lakers' home game vs. the Utah Jazz on Sunday.

MavKikiNYC · 12-05-2003, 08:15 PM

I didn't expect him to be penalized.

Lucky Jazz as the beneficiaries.

The officiating crew who failed to eject him should be suspended for a game too.

Dirkenstien · 12-05-2003, 08:15 PM

1 game?? thats entirely rediculous. This foul was malicious and intentional just as Cuban said, and deserves atleast the same amount of suspensions as Fortson recieved because this foul was worse!! Fortson was trying to keep a player from driving to the lane, pushed him, and Zarko happened to land wrong on his wrist. This foul was a square elbow to the mouth!! not an incident that just happened to turn south. A dirty foul from a player that looks and plays dirty as hell. There is no justification from this suspension.

Also, there needs to be a new rule implimented into the NBA to where if a player is suspended for a dirty and flagrant foul then the team with the player that was fouled should have the opportunity to choose if the player that committed the foul should sit out the next game(s) that the other team plays or the next game against the team that was fouled.

For example:
Considering last nights game, since Malone has now been suspended for one game because of a dirty play against the mavericks, the mavericks management should be able to decide whether Malone should be suspended from the lakers very next game of the season or from the lakers next game against dallas. This way there is more justice to a suspension than the possibility of a player making a dirty play and getting barely punished by being suspended from a worthless game against some other team.

ReDIRKulous · 12-05-2003, 08:18 PM

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For example:
Considering last nights game, since Malone has now been suspended for one game because of a dirty play against the mavericks, the mavericks management should be able to decide whether Malone should be suspended from the lakers very next game of the season or from the lakers next game against dallas. This way there is more justice to a suspension than the possibility of a player making a dirty play and getting barely punished by being suspended from a worthless game against some other team.

That is a great idea. Email cubes! Seriously.

Dirkenstien · 12-05-2003, 08:25 PM

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Originally posted by: ReDIRKulous

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For example:
Considering last nights game, since Malone has now been suspended for one game because of a dirty play against the mavericks, the mavericks management should be able to decide whether Malone should be suspended from the lakers very next game of the season or from the lakers next game against dallas. This way there is more justice to a suspension than the possibility of a player making a dirty play and getting barely punished by being suspended from a worthless game against some other team.

That is a great idea. Email cubes! Seriously.

Thank you and trust me I will

MightyToine · 12-05-2003, 08:26 PM

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Originally posted by: ReDIRKulous

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For example:
Considering last nights game, since Malone has now been suspended for one game because of a dirty play against the mavericks, the mavericks management should be able to decide whether Malone should be suspended from the lakers very next game of the season or from the lakers next game against dallas. This way there is more justice to a suspension than the possibility of a player making a dirty play and getting barely punished by being suspended from a worthless game against some other team.

That is a great idea. Email cubes! Seriously.

SWEET!! I'd Do it if I were Cubes, too. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

WayOutWest · 12-05-2003, 08:40 PM

No big deal. JR Reid elbowed AC Green and knocked two of his upper teeth out of his mouth and knocked two of his lower teeth through his lower lip. JR was suspended for two games. Kevin Willis elbowed Scott Williams and knocked him unconcious and cause a cervical strain and was only suspended one game.

JR was NOT thrown out of the game.
Willis was thrown out of the game.

Malone's treatment is not unusaul under the rules, bitch and complain about the rules not just when it happens to one of your own players.

Dirkenstien · 12-05-2003, 08:40 PM

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Originally posted by: ReDIRKulous

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QuoteDirkenstien
For example:
Considering last nights game, since Malone has now been suspended for one game because of a dirty play against the mavericks, the mavericks management should be able to decide whether Malone should be suspended from the lakers very next game of the season or from the lakers next game against dallas. This way there is more justice to a suspension than the possibility of a player making a dirty play and getting barely punished by being suspended from a worthless game against some other team.

That is a great idea. Email cubes! Seriously.

SWEET!! I'd Do it if I were Cubes, too. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

Thankyou, I plan on sending about three e-mails every day until I receive a response informing me and this forum that he has read it.

Dirkenstien · 12-05-2003, 08:54 PM

I'll make a new thread for this so this thread isnt thrown off topic

grndmstr_c · 12-05-2003, 08:56 PM

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Originally posted by: WayOutWest
No big deal. JR Reid elbowed AC Green and knocked two of his upper teeth out of his mouth and knocked two of his lower teeth through his lower lip. JR was suspended for two games. Kevin Willis elbowed Scott Williams and knocked him unconcious and cause a cervical strain and was only suspended one game.

JR was NOT thrown out of the game.
Willis was thrown out of the game.

Malone's treatment is not unusaul under the rules, bitch and complain about the rules not just when it happens to one of your own players.

WOW, it's a Mavs forum. What do expect to see us bitching about. As for Malone's treatement and whether or not it's unusual under the rules, that doesn't change the fact that he was supposed to be thrown out of the game according to the rules (no gray area, no room for divergent interpretation), and it doesn't change the fact that he and the Lakers got off much easier than Fortson and the Mavs for a play that was just as cheap, and much dirtier. I didn't expect much more from the league, but that doesn't change the fact that their response from the start has been BS.

LRB · 12-05-2003, 09:44 PM

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Originally posted by: dude1394
Interesting... An intentional elbow to the face of a player only gets a one-game suspension. The NBA let's us know what's acceptable.

So long as you use your elbow and not your fist, then you're OK. [img]i/expressions/rolleye.gif[/img]

But if you push a player with your hand then it's 3 games.

So if the Potato had elbowed Zarko instead of pushing him, then I guess according to the league, Danny would have only been suspended one game and wouldn't have been thrown out of the Phonenix game. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-disgusted.gif[/img]

ReDIRKulous · 12-05-2003, 09:50 PM

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Originally posted by: WayOutWest
No big deal. JR Reid elbowed AC Green and knocked two of his upper teeth out of his mouth and knocked two of his lower teeth through his lower lip. JR was suspended for two games. Kevin Willis elbowed Scott Williams and knocked him unconcious and cause a cervical strain and was only suspended one game.

JR was NOT thrown out of the game.
Willis was thrown out of the game.

Malone's treatment is not unusaul under the rules, bitch and complain about the rules not just when it happens to one of your own players.

Were those situations incidental contact though? with Malone you know it was malicious and it was done to take Nash out of the game. That is why he deserves much more time. If those other guys elbowed someone unintentionally then they don't deserve time. It is that simple. Fortson was judged harshly because of his past... by that same token Malone probably should have been kicked out of the league long ago.

Just a couple games ago Dirk elbowed Scottie Pippen i the eye... but because it wasn't intentional Dirk wasn't even called for a foul... because it was just indidental contact. So history and judgement are used to determine the extent of the foul and the punishment. That is why Malone should have gotten more time for this and probably shouldn't even be in the league. He redislocates Dirk's shoulder every time the mavs play him. And he might kill Bradley one of these days.

dude1394 · 12-05-2003, 09:54 PM

I do not have an issue with fortson's 3 games.

I DO have an issue with a referee taking a black and white call and arbitrarily deciding not to make it. Make that 3 referees.

I DO also think it was intentional.

I WOULD like to see someone push karl malone when going to the basket and have either his tooth knocked out or possibly more. Can't help it, he deserves it. I'd like it to be a maverick, peferably finley.

Mavs_fun_fan · 12-06-2003, 01:15 PM

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Originally posted by: WayOutWest

Malone's treatment is not unusaul under the rules, bitch and complain about the rules not just when it happens to one of your own players.

I get so tired of hearing people repeat the same tired crap they hear from the NBA spin machine as if that answers what are legitimate questions on the credibility of NBA officiating.You mention rules which rules are you talking about the NBA rulebook which states Malone should have been ejected or the unwritten rules that are actually used to call the games? But before you answer that question let me ask a few more.

1. Who decides which rules in the rule book will be enforced and which won't?

2. Who decides which players will be given a pass and which players have to obey those rules?

3. Is it really fair for either the fans or the players to not know which rules will be applied or on who they will be applied until the game is underway?

4. Do you really know why the rules aren't enforced as written, evenly without regard to players or teams?

5. With all the money at stake not only by the franchises and the NBA itself, but the millions wagered everyday could there be some more sinister reason games are called the way they are? (It's my experience large amounts of money and corruption usually go hand in hand)

You know what if the NBA doesn't like some of the rules in place, all they have to do is rewrite them and publish a new rule book.

In truth I'm a Maverick fan more than a NBA fan, however; even a casual fan will and does notice the obvious seemly random way with which the rules are enforced. Not just from game to game but team to team, player to player, referee crew to referee crew and all the way down to quarter to quarter. If you think this doesn't frustrate people watching and ultimately cost the NBA fans your dreaming. One reason sports are so popular is because unlike life all the rules are written down and rewards and punishments are know going in. When that aspect is removed then what your watching is no longer a sporting event but a staged production, and while the outcome could still be adlib it could just as easily be pre-arranged. In fact without understanding the rules before hand there is absolutely no way of knowing positively if the result was won on the court or was controlled by other factors.

I certainly have no evidence of any conspiracy, and I do think the overwelming majority of the people in and the actions taken by the NBA are done to promote the game and in the interest of fairplay. However, without establishing written rules which are followed, having a system to grade and evaluate the fairness with which the rules are enforced and making the officials accountable for the quality of their work. There will always be the possibility the process can be manipulated for the benefit of some specific group. The NBA is the only sport which does not certify the credibility of the officiating through some independent board or agency, or make the entire process open to public scrutiny. Why would any true sporting fan interested in the integrity and fairplay of the game be satisfied with the process with which the NBA handles what is in reality the most vital of aspects of the sport. The credibility in the game and the fairness of the game results. After all if I liked pre-arranged outcomes I could watch wresting, I never have and I never will but I find it harder and harder to watch a NBA game for the same reasons.

sike · 12-06-2003, 01:24 PM

no complaint here....just surprised they dared to give him a game at all!! One game is fine from what I saw...and I've watched over and over!....Nash got right up on him and Malone did not have to lean or anything...the league did fine on this one....not gonna join the rest and cry!...

edited to change a "y" into a "w"!

ReDIRKulous · 12-06-2003, 01:30 PM

Steve was too tough though. If he really wanted to get Malone he should have flopped as if he was knocked out when Malone hit him and just laid there for a long time motionless. lol

Dirkenstien · 12-06-2003, 01:45 PM

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Originally posted by: Mavs_fun_fan

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Originally posted by: WayOutWest

Malone's treatment is not unusaul under the rules, bitch and complain about the rules not just when it happens to one of your own players.

I get so tired of hearing people repeat the same tired crap they hear from the NBA spin machine as if that answers what are legitimate questions on the credibility of NBA officiating.You mention rules which rules are you talking about the NBA rulebook which states Malone should have been ejected or the unwritten rules that are actually used to call the games? But before you answer that question let me ask a few more.

1. Who decides which rules in the rule book will be enforced and which won't?

2. Who decides which players will be given a pass and which players have to obey those rules?

3. Is it really fair for either the fans or the players to not know which rules will be applied or on who they will be applied until the game is underway?

4. Do you really know why the rules aren't enforced as written, evenly without regard to players or teams?

5. With all the money at stake not only by the franchises and the NBA itself, but the millions wagered everyday could there be some more sinister reason games are called the way they are? (It's my experience large amounts of money and corruption usually go hand in hand)

You know what if the NBA doesn't like some of the rules in place, all they have to do is rewrite them and publish a new rule book.

In truth I'm a Maverick fan more than a NBA fan, however; even a casual fan will and does notice the obvious seemly random way with which the rules are enforced. Not just from game to game but team to team, player to player, referee crew to referee crew and all the way down to quarter to quarter. If you think this doesn't frustrate people watching and ultimately cost the NBA fans your dreaming. One reason sports are so popular is because unlike life all the rules are written down and rewards and punishments are know going in. When that aspect is removed then what your watching is no longer a sporting event but a staged production, and while the outcome could still be adlib it could just as easily be pre-arranged. In fact without understanding the rules before hand there is absolutely no way of knowing positively if the result was won on the court or was controlled by other factors.

I certainly have no evidence of any conspiracy, and I do think the overwelming majority of the people in and the actions taken by the NBA are done to promote the game and in the interest of fairplay. However, without establishing written rules which are followed, having a system to grade and evaluate the fairness with which the rules are enforced and making the officials accountable for the quality of their work. There will always be the possibility the process can be manipulated for the benefit of some specific group. The NBA is the only sport which does not certify the credibility of the officiating through some independent board or agency, or make the entire process open to public scrutiny. Why would any true sporting fan interested in the integrity and fairplay of the game be satisfied with the process with which the NBA handles what is in reality the most vital of aspects of the sport. The credibility in the game and the fairness of the game results. After all if I liked pre-arranged outcomes I could watch wresting, I never have and I never will but I find it harder and harder to watch a NBA game for the same reasons.

Very good post Mavs_fun_fan and I completely agree that there needs to be a system drawn up to handle such issues.

Dirkenstien · 12-06-2003, 01:51 PM

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Steve was too tought though. If he really wanted to get Malone he should have flopped as if he was knocked out when Malone hit him and just laid there for a long time motionless. lol

lol, maybe then a more justified action would have been taken by the NBA. Also, it would have been great to see him just jump up right after Karl was ejected and pretend as though nothing had even happened, smiling as he goes into the locker room to get stitched up. I would have loved to see the expression on the lakers face if that were to take place

dude1394 · 12-06-2003, 01:57 PM

Mighty fine post mavs_fun_fan. Count me in also as a mavs fan versus an NBA fan.

FreshJive · 12-06-2003, 03:34 PM

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Originally posted by: sike
no complaint here....just surprised they dared to give him a game at all!! One game is fine from what I saw...and I've watched over and over!....Nash got right up on him and Malone did not have to lean or anything...the league did fine on this one....not gonna join the rest and cry!...

edited to change a "y" into a "w"!

How can you possibly say that one game is fine for this when it was a far more malicious act then what Fortson did. What Fortson did to Zarko was a dumb accident, what Malone did was ENTIRELY ON PURPOSE. You haven't watched the right replay if you think it was an accident, or somehow Steve's fault. You sound like the Lakers fans I have been arguing with. If you watch the slow motion replay from behind the bucket you can clearly see that Malone shot his elbow for Steve's head, and it was not just a pivot as the Laker's fans are arguing. Malone has done this forever, and its about time he got punished for it, but come on one game. This is f'in weak (in a Cartman voice).

Dirkenstien · 12-06-2003, 07:09 PM

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Originally posted by: FreshJive

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Originally posted by: sike
no complaint here....just surprised they dared to give him a game at all!! One game is fine from what I saw...and I've watched over and over!....Nash got right up on him and Malone did not have to lean or anything...the league did fine on this one....not gonna join the rest and cry!...

edited to change a "y" into a "w"!

How can you possibly say that one game is fine for this when it was a far more malicious act then what Fortson did. What Fortson did to Zarko was a dumb accident, what Malone did was ENTIRELY ON PURPOSE. You haven't watched the right replay if you think it was an accident, or somehow Steve's fault. You sound like the Lakers fans I have been arguing with. If you watch the slow motion replay from behind the bucket you can clearly see that Malone shot his elbow for Steve's head, and it was not just a pivot as the Laker's fans are arguing. Malone has done this forever, and its about time he got punished for it, but come on one game. This is f'in weak (in a Cartman voice).

I agree Fresh, there are two different views on the replay that I have seen and one clearly shows Malone throwing his elbow straight for Nash's face, no doubt about it. He is a dirty player now, has always been a dirty player, and will continue to always be a dirty player unless the NBA can come up with some type of reasonable deterrence for such actions.

ReDIRKulous · 12-06-2003, 08:27 PM

It is really amazing how classless Karl Malone is. Not only do the LAkers have the most stacked team in maybe the history of the league... but then to feel that you ned to then take out a little guy like NAsh rather than have to work to win the game... even with that advantage... let's not even mention that Dirk wasn't even in the game. Pretty sickening. But the good thing about it is that MAlone used one of his cheap shot cards -- you only get so many a season.

MavsFanFinley · 12-06-2003, 08:39 PM

I can't believe the league took action against Malone. No matter how insulting the punishment was.

What a joke.

MavKikiNYC · 12-06-2003, 10:51 PM

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....one clearly shows Malone throwing his elbow straight for Nash's face, no doubt about it. He is a dirty player now, has always been a dirty player, and will continue to always be a dirty player unless the NBA can come up with some type of reasonable deterrence for such actions.

And damn, I wish the Mavericks had three like him.