Now what?

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Pretty spot on. One dimensional wings, especially "3&D" are a problem waiting to happen. They can't generate anything themselves ans if they aren't hitting at a really high clip, the whole thing unravels.
Even the basic ability to fake a shot, put their head down and drive hard to the rim is lacking.

If only we had drafted Maxey or Bane or Bey.

Everything that is wrong with this team has nothing to do with the players on it. It has to do with who put this team together and the previous FO mishaps.

But Powell is a unique one. He is to blame for the players who think he is their heart and soul, the coach who plays him, AND the FO who wouldn't trade him. Hard to get rid of a guy that has the backing of everyone. Someone needs to step up and have a reality check. Hopefully Nico can do it.

Good new is that Luka, Brunson, and Dinwiddie are good enough to get to you to the WCF. I think Spencer will do well having a full training camp and a more defined role.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

If only we had drafted Maxey or Bane or Bey.

Everything that is wrong with this team has nothing to do with the players on it. It has to do with who put this team together and the previous FO mishaps.

But Powell is a unique one. He is to blame for the players who think he is their heart and soul, the coach who plays him, AND the FO who wouldn't trade him. Hard to get rid of a guy that has the backing of everyone. Someone needs to step up and have a reality check. Hopefully Nico can do it.

Good new is that Luka, Brunson, and Dinwiddie are good enough to get to you to the WCF. I think Spencer will do well having a full training camp and a more defined role.

Not sure Luka, Brunson and Dinwiddie are good enough to get us this far again without a big retooling. We could be one and done with this core

[DIRK LEGIONS]

Originally Posted by Zeus

Not sure Luka, Brunson and Dinwiddie are good enough to get us this far again without a big retooling. We could be one and done with this core

This 10000%
Mavs need to get length athleticism skill the lack of any rebounding was evident during playoffs.
Need also a low post scorer for second unit so when them bricks start raining down from 3 u can try half court game.

The clock on Luka staying continuing to tick he not gonna stay loyal like dirk did 20 years to finally see front office built the right team.

Mavs have maybe 2 or3 more seasons before Luka bolts to LA or nyc

Luka taken bunch of undrafted and second rd players and failed1st rdpicks to conference finals imagine if he has legit #2 rolling with him
Instead of #3(jalen) #4(Dinwiddie) scoring options pretending to me #2s

P.s. I live in NYC and Julius Randle is a no go if u trade with Knicks u want toppin and Mcbride those are 2 young players buried in depth chart of vets that are diamonds.

Toppin is walking double/double machine if given 30 minutes a night

Mcbride can score and beat people of dribble and create easy baskets down in paint dishing oftobigs for dunks orlauup plus the fouls created off penetration these young athletic skill players mavs need

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

If only we had drafted Maxey or Bane or Bey.

Everything that is wrong with this team has nothing to do with the players on it. It has to do with who put this team together and the previous FO mishaps.

But Powell is a unique one. He is to blame for the players who think he is their heart and soul, the coach who plays him, AND the FO who wouldn't trade him. Hard to get rid of a guy that has the backing of everyone. Someone needs to step up and have a reality check. Hopefully Nico can do it.

Good new is that Luka, Brunson, and Dinwiddie are good enough to get to you to the WCF. I think Spencer will do well having a full training camp and a more defined role.

Bane was a fn no brainer and the extent of my scouting was watching every TCU game that he played. I'm not sure how we justified actually selecting a raw JGreen when we needed a plug and play next to Luka. Bane was ready to sbe a starter right out of the box, especially here. He shot lights out, can floor it, can pass and was a fairly salty defender. But hey...his fn arms are short.

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Bane was a fn no brainer and the extent of my scouting was watching every TCU game that he played. I'm not sure how we justified actually selecting a raw JGreen when we needed a plug and play next to Luka. Bane was ready to sbe a starter right out of the box, especially here. He shot lights out, can floor it, can pass and was a fairly salty defender. But hey...his fn arms are short.

I thought they would run to the podium when Saddiq Bey was still available. 3&D player coming out of Villanova who has a history of developing talent (see Brunson). I remember reading a lot of people wanting Bane too. Instead we got Green who is again unplayable because he can’t shoot worth a shit.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by BPo001

I thought they would run to the podium when Saddiq Bey was still available. 3&D player coming out of Villanova who has a history of developing talent (see Brunson). I remember reading a lot of people wanting Bane too. Instead we got Green who is again unplayable because he can’t shoot worth a shit.

Bey or Bane could have potentially made this series a much more competitive matchup. Green will be out of the league soon.

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by Zeus

Bey or Bane could have potentially made this series a much more competitive matchup. Green will be out of the league soon.

He will be playing next to Shane Larkin and Justin Anderson.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by BPo001

I thought they would run to the podium when Saddiq Bey was still available. 3&D player coming out of Villanova who has a history of developing talent (see Brunson). I remember reading a lot of people wanting Bane too. Instead we got Green who is again unplayable because he can’t shoot worth a shit.

According to Bob V, Donnie was nowhere to be found when the pick was made.

[MFFL]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

If only we had drafted Maxey or Bane or Bey.

We could have easily had Maxey/Bey and then Bane (by trading our two high second rounders for the 30th pick). So instead of ZERO players from that draft we would have had TWO perfect fits for the team.

If we are getting greedy, lets get greedy.

[purplefrog]

Warriors are playing championship basketball and if they keep playing at this level (and I am not sure they will), then not many teams would beat them in a seven game series. That being said, they have exposed the #1 and #2 Mavs weaknesses, being they have no rim protector and are a poor rebounding team. We all knew this and it is not surprising that a smart, athletic team like the Warriors would exploit these deficiencies and create a huge mountain to climb for the Mavs.

I am going to go against the grain here a bit and say the Mavs can still make this a competitive series if they make can shoot the three-point shot at about a 40-45% clip. I realize they did this in game #2, but that was just weird they could go that cold in the second half after shooting so well in the first and second quarters. Sure, take the ball to the basket and do some post-ups with Luka. But, in the end this team lives and dies from beyond the arc, so I wouldn't imagine they could reinvent themselves at this point in time. If they shoot 20 something % from three, well that is just how the ball bounces.

Moving forward, it is obvious the MBT needs two or three players who can provide some interior defense and rebound. But, I am not sure what's the best path to get there (draft, trade, FA market). Otherwise, it's just throw up the threes and hope for the best.

Here is a maybe crazy idea to shake things up a bit. Start Boban for the first 4-6 minutes of the game instead of Powell. Do the same at the beginning of the third quarter if it works. You don't play him more than 10-12 minutes but his presence might be a head scratcher for the Warriors. Bobi strikes me as a smart player, so he might be able to get some rebounds and score a half dozen points in the post in that time (can Looney guard him?). I think Kidd needs to do something outside the box. This might be one step in that direction.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by purplefrog

Warriors are playing championship basketball and if they keep playing at this level (and I am not sure they will), then not many teams would beat them in a seven game series. That being said, they have exposed the #1 and #2 Mavs weaknesses, being they have no rim protector and are a poor rebounding team. We all knew this and it is not surprising that a smart, athletic team like the Warriors would exploit these deficiencies and create a huge mountain to climb for the Mavs.

I am going to go against the grain here a bit and say the Mavs can still make this a competitive series if they make can shoot the three-point shot at about a 40-45% clip. I realize they did this in game #2, but that was just weird they could go that cold in the second half after shooting so well in the first and second quarters. Sure, take the ball to the basket and do some post-ups with Luka. But, in the end this team lives and dies from beyond the arc, so I wouldn't imagine they could reinvent themselves at this point in time. If they shoot 20 something % from three, well that is just how the ball bounces.

Moving forward, it is obvious the MBT needs two or three players who can provide some interior defense and rebound. But, I am not sure what's the best path to get there (draft, trade, FA market). Otherwise, it's just throw up the threes and hope for the best.

Here is a maybe crazy idea to shake things up a bit. Start Boban for the first 4-6 minutes of the game instead of Powell. Do the same at the beginning of the third quarter if it works. You don't play him more than 10-12 minutes but his presence might be a head scratcher for the Warriors. Bobi strikes me as a smart player, so he might be able to get some rebounds and score a half dozen points in the post in that time (can Looney guard him?). I think Kidd needs to do something outside the box. This might be one step in that direction.

Anytime someone mentions Boban half the boards frown upon it.

But IMO that move made more sense in the 3rd Qtr of game 2 when you literally couldn't score a single bucket from outside.

Boban would have allowed you to throw the ball in post and score on the Small Warriors easily or draw a foul.

But the real reason why you go with Boban is because Dwight Powell for all the non-sense about him an energy guy and able to switch on defense hasn't provided any of that shit in 3 playoff series now.

Boban gets this unfair criticism about not being able to play long stretches without wearing down. But go back and watch that Clippers series last year he proved to dismiss that theory partly because the Mavs actually used a combination of zone defense doing his 10-12 minutes on the floor each game.

Luka and JJB could honestly save their legs a little if they had someone to actually throw the ball into the post to that score inside a little bit. I also think Boban's size would allow the Mavs to grab more offensive rebounds if not anything else.

I just don't understand the logic of living and dying with Powell as your starting center. I don't care if he's only getting 8-10 minutes per game that is still 8-10 minutes of unproductive play at center and it's 8-10 minutes of poor rebounding and defense in the paint that your automatically giving to the Warriors because you feel like this dude deserves loyalty.

At the end of the day Boban gives you offense and rebounding that Powell doesn't provide and the defense is a wash IMO because Powell is a traffic cone defender.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Anytime someone mentions Boban half the boards frown upon it.

But IMO that move made more sense in the 3rd Qtr of game 2 when you literally couldn't score a single bucket from outside.

Boban would have allowed you to throw the ball in post and score on the Small Warriors easily or draw a foul.

But the real reason why you go with Boban is because Dwight Powell for all the non-sense about him an energy guy and able to switch on defense hasn't provided any of that shit in 3 playoff series now.

Boban gets this unfair criticism about not being able to play long stretches without wearing down. But go back and watch that Clippers series last year he proved to dismiss that theory partly because the Mavs actually used a combination of zone defense doing his 10-12 minutes on the floor each game.

Luka and JJB could honestly save their legs a little if they had someone to actually throw the ball into the post to that score inside a little bit. I also think Boban's size would allow the Mavs to grab more offensive rebounds if not anything else.

I just don't understand the logic of living and dying with Powell as your starting center. I don't care if he's only getting 8-10 minutes per game that is still 8-10 minutes of unproductive play at center and it's 8-10 minutes of poor rebounding and defense in the paint that your automatically giving to the Warriors because you feel like this dude deserves loyalty.

At the end of the day Boban gives you offense and rebounding that Powell doesn't provide and the defense is a wash IMO because Powell is a traffic cone defender.

I'm guessing Boban is finally over the hill, but he averaged 11/8 last playoffs. Even if it's a Chris Kaman 11/8, meaning no defense, it's more than Powell is giving us.

But why not Chriss? The guy PLAYED for the goddamn Warriors. This lack of making any lineup change is truly bizarre.

[turin]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I'm guessing Boban is finally over the hill, but he averaged 11/8 last playoffs. Even if it's a Chris Kaman 11/8, meaning no defense, it's more than Powell is giving us.

But why not Chriss? The guy PLAYED for the goddamn Warriors. This lack of making any lineup change is truly bizarre.

What's bizarre is the mavs mult-year fetish with sticking with Powell - turnstile D, no rebounding, but he might get 2 lob dunks a game and look like an all-star in trash time against end of bench players. I have complained about him for so many years that I've finally been beaten down to the point of silence for the most part.

Anybody remember people on here defending him as a much improved 3-pt shooter several years ago and actually insisted that DP was one of the best 3-pt shooters on the team? LOL

[turin]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Anytime someone mentions Boban half the boards frown upon it.

But IMO that move made more sense in the 3rd Qtr of game 2 when you literally couldn't score a single bucket from outside.

Boban would have allowed you to throw the ball in post and score on the Small Warriors easily or draw a foul.

But the real reason why you go with Boban is because Dwight Powell for all the non-sense about him an energy guy and able to switch on defense hasn't provided any of that shit in 3 playoff series now.

Boban gets this unfair criticism about not being able to play long stretches without wearing down. But go back and watch that Clippers series last year he proved to dismiss that theory partly because the Mavs actually used a combination of zone defense doing his 10-12 minutes on the floor each game.

Luka and JJB could honestly save their legs a little if they had someone to actually throw the ball into the post to that score inside a little bit. I also think Boban's size would allow the Mavs to grab more offensive rebounds if not anything else.

I just don't understand the logic of living and dying with Powell as your starting center. I don't care if he's only getting 8-10 minutes per game that is still 8-10 minutes of unproductive play at center and it's 8-10 minutes of poor rebounding and defense in the paint that your automatically giving to the Warriors because you feel like this dude deserves loyalty.

At the end of the day Boban gives you offense and rebounding that Powell doesn't provide and the defense is a wash IMO because Powell is a traffic cone defender.

I used to beat the drum for Boban to get minutes regularly. You can't coach size, and he presents a unique set of issues which teams have to adjust to, but there is always resistance.

I've never understood how the call to play Boban somehow means playing him starter minutes. LOL. 10-12 minutes of Boban in a zone is a nice change of pace with some options for inside scoring while slowing the pace down. People who think he's worse defensively than Powell must not be watching the same games I do.

Yes, if the coach insists in true RC fashion for Boban to play man and chase shooters out to the 3-pt line, then he's going to look worse than he should. As if intentionally exposing a player isn't at least partially on the coach. The next retort that usually follows is that we wouldn't win anyway even if we played Boban. It's as if one single adjustment is not worth implementing if it involves Boban unless it guarantees an NBA title. Heh