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JustJay · 07-06-2022, 10:15 PM

WTF? Knicks got a first round pick for Kemba Walker? What is Detroit doing?

The New York Knicks announced today that the team has acquired a future first round draft pick from Detroit in exchange for guard Kemba Walker and the draft rights to center Jalen Duren.
Source: New York Knicks @ NBA.com

Adrian Wojnarowski: Four-time All-Star guard Kemba Walker and the Detroit Pistons are finalizing a contract buyout, sources tell ESPN. Once Walker clears waivers, he?ll join free agency. -via Twitter @wojespn / June 30, 2022

Any interest in Kemba to Dallas?

saclare · 07-06-2022, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JustJay

WTF? Knicks got a first round pick for Kemba Walker? What is Detroit doing?

The New York Knicks announced today that the team has acquired a future first round draft pick from Detroit in exchange for guard Kemba Walker and the draft rights to center Jalen Duren.
Source: New York Knicks @ NBA.com

Adrian Wojnarowski: Four-time All-Star guard Kemba Walker and the Detroit Pistons are finalizing a contract buyout, sources tell ESPN. Once Walker clears waivers, he?ll join free agency. -via Twitter @wojespn / June 30, 2022

More like Detroit gave up a future first rounder for Jalen Duren, at the cost of taking on Kemba.

JustJay · 07-06-2022, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by saclare

More like Detroit gave up a future first rounder for Jalen Duren, at the cost of taking on Kemba.

Ah I see, any interest in Kemba?

saclare · 07-07-2022, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by JustJay

Ah I see, any interest in Kemba?

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I never understood the Kemba hate. Yes, he sucks at defense. Yes, he is inconsistent. But man, when he is on, he still has big games.

I'd take him, Patty Mills, Shroder...like what is the hold up. No way we don't sign another pg. They can't be that dumb.

I could get behind any of these guys, though I have my questions on Kemba's knees and overall health. He's a bucket though. I think Mills or Schroder give you a bit more rounded game with some added defense. I've long really wanted Mills to give that Barea type of role. Thought he had signed already, but doesn't appear so.

purplefrog · 07-07-2022, 11:02 AM

A veteran pg is badly needed. I could go for any of those mentioned. I have no idea what Nico and co. are thinking, but right now it seems like a head scratcher if you sign Dorsey. I mean Hardy, Dorsey, Green, and Pinson? None in that group have demonstrated they can contribute on the court in the NBA. Well, maybe Green in flashes during the regular season.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-06-2022, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JustJay

WTF? Knicks got a first round pick for Kemba Walker? What is Detroit doing?

The New York Knicks announced today that the team has acquired a future first round draft pick from Detroit in exchange for guard Kemba Walker and the draft rights to center Jalen Duren.
Source: New York Knicks @ NBA.com

Adrian Wojnarowski: Four-time All-Star guard Kemba Walker and the Detroit Pistons are finalizing a contract buyout, sources tell ESPN. Once Walker clears waivers, he?ll join free agency. -via Twitter @wojespn / June 30, 2022

Any interest in Kemba to Dallas?

I never understood the Kemba hate. Yes, he sucks at defense. Yes, he is inconsistent. But man, when he is on, he still has big games.

I'd take him, Patty Mills, Shroder...like what is the hold up. No way we don't sign another pg. They can't be that dumb.

Thespiralgoeson · 07-07-2022, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I never understood the Kemba hate. Yes, he sucks at defense. Yes, he is inconsistent. But man, when he is on, he still has big games.

I'd take him, Patty Mills, Shroder...like what is the hold up. No way we don't sign another pg. They can't be that dumb.

I would gladly take Kemba for the vet min.

JustJay · 07-06-2022, 10:54 PM

In addition to giving Beal 50 million a year, they gave him a no trade clause and a 15% trade kicker to trade for him. So it's going to cost a fortune to trade for him, and he would have to waive the no trade clause. Seems the Wizards want to keep him. They probably sell a good amount of tickets with him even if they're a loser franchise.

BPo001 · 07-07-2022, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by JustJay

In addition to giving Beal 50 million a year, they gave him a no trade clause and a 15% trade kicker to trade for him. So it's going to cost a fortune to trade for him, and he would have to waive the no trade clause. Seems the Wizards want to keep him. They probably sell a good amount of tickets with him even if they're a loser franchise.

I still expect him to request a trade next summer.

SMC0007 · 07-07-2022, 08:20 AM

We seem to be closing in on Tyler Dorsey. He developed his game a lot in Euroleague. Looking closer at his stats, his shooting %"s jumped a bit, so maybe could provide some solid back up mins if we got him. Not the fill in for Brunson I hoped for but maybe they see more about him than I do.

purplefrog · 07-07-2022, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

We seem to be closing in on Tyler Dorsey. He developed his game a lot in Euroleague. Looking closer at his stats, his shooting %"s jumped a bit, so maybe could provide some solid back up mins if we got him. Not the fill in for Brunson I hoped for but maybe they see more about him than I do.

As best I can tell, he seems to be mostly a scorer. His Euroleague 3pt% is close to 40%.

If the Mavs add Dorsey, do they really need THJ? Hardy + Dorsey + THJ seems redundant...Maybe another trade on the horizon?

Amarelooms · 07-07-2022, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by purplefrog

As best I can tell, he seems to be mostly a scorer. His Euroleague 3pt% is close to 40%.

If the Mavs add Dorsey, do they really need THJ? Hardy + Dorsey + THJ seems redundant...Maybe another trade on the horizon?

Powell /thj and Bertrans are not needed. Get rid them.

Thespiralgoeson · 07-07-2022, 09:05 AM

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Powell /thj and Bertrans are not needed. Get rid them.

Getting rid of THJ and Bertans is harder than you might think. The Mavs shopped around THJ last season and nobody was interested, and Bertans is practically infamous for having one of the worst contracts in the league. Both of those guys are probably at least a year away from being tradeable.

Amarelooms · 07-07-2022, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Getting rid of THJ and Bertans is harder than you might think. The Mavs shopped around THJ last season and nobody was interested, and Bertans is practically infamous for having one of the worst contracts in the league. Both of those guys are probably at least a year away from being tradeable.

Throw in a first 4-5 years from now. We should be good and late round first mostly worthless.

BPo001 · 07-07-2022, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Amarelooms

Powell /thj and Bertrans are not needed. Get rid them.

Easier said than done. Bertans contract is one of the worst in the league. Nobody wanted THJ last year when he was healthy, and prob not now that he is coming off an injury.

SMC0007 · 07-07-2022, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by purplefrog

As best I can tell, he seems to be mostly a scorer. His Euroleague 3pt% is close to 40%.

If the Mavs add Dorsey, do they really need THJ? Hardy + Dorsey + THJ seems redundant...Maybe another trade on the horizon?

If they add Dorsey, there's no way they could make moves based on trusting him to be a consistent contributor. Its speculation still at this point and Im not sure why they wouldnt have just got Dragic. He has tons of experience and could play guaranteed solid back up mins. However, moving THJ, DP and whoever else for a 2 way wing with handles would keep Dorsey or ehatever unproven guy they get in the 'prove it, limited minutes' role.

Hardy needs real minutes for real experience. Let him play through mistakes. I don't think Kidd would pine his ass like Rick would. IMO as the roster is now, he is going to HAVE to play and hopefully he can quickly play up to his potential.

BPo001 · 07-07-2022, 08:29 AM

KAT and Booker are now the highest salaried athletes in the US.

BPo001 · 07-07-2022, 11:02 AM

Kemba?s injury history worries me. I think I?d go Schroeder, Mills, Kemba if I had my choice. They definitely need to sign someone who can handle the ball.

EricaLubarsky · 07-07-2022, 11:13 AM

As much as people are saying our biggest need is PG,

I?d be okay living dangerously and depending on Hardy

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-07-2022, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

As much as people are saying our biggest need is PG,

I?d be okay living dangerously and depending on Hardy

I mean, I think we're depending on him either way, but we gotta have a Luka get's injured insurance signing more than anything.

Male30Dan · 07-08-2022, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

As much as people are saying our biggest need is PG,

I?d be okay living dangerously and depending on Hardy

Know it's been a handful of minutes in the first Summer League game, but are you sure? Good grief what a terrible start...

EricaLubarsky · 07-07-2022, 12:11 PM

1) Luka
2) SD
3)THJ
4) Bertans
5) Wood
6) DFS
7) Powell
8) Bullock
9) Kleber
10) McGee
11) Green
12) Hardy
13) Pinson
14) Frank
15)
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16) Bingham
17) Dorsey

Dorsey got a two-way deal apparently and Frank/Kleber became guaranteed. Certainly looking like Wright and Bingham will fight for the last two-way. It also looks like we now have a roster spot open. Am I missing anyone?

purplefrog · 07-07-2022, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

1) Luka
2) SD
3)THJ
4) Bertans
5) Wood
6) DFS
7) Powell
8) Bullock
9) Kleber
10) McGee
11) Green
12) Hardy
13) Pinson
14) Frank
15)
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16) Bingham
17) Dorsey

Dorsey got a two-way deal apparently and Frank/Kleber became guaranteed. Certainly looking like Wright and Bingham will fight for the last two-way. It also looks like we now have a roster spot open. Am I missing anyone?

Looks good to me. Glad Dorsey is a two-way. That makes more sense.

SMC0007 · 07-07-2022, 12:50 PM

I'm with those who want to see Hardy fn play. Out of the greenhorns, he is the closest to reaching a level of potential that will contribute. That includes Josh Green.

saclare · 07-07-2022, 02:31 PM

How much confidence does the FO have in Frankie smokes after his good play down the stretch? He could very well see increased minutes as the (or "a") backup PG...

BPo001 · 07-07-2022, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by saclare

How much confidence does the FO have in Frankie smokes after his good play down the stretch? He could very well see increased minutes as the (or "a") backup PG...

I thought about that too. I think he can play it in a pinch, but is he really the plan? If so, I hope Shamgod locked themselves in a gym this summer to work on his handles.

JustJay · 07-07-2022, 05:41 PM

Take it with a grain of salt, but THJ for Brown get er done Nico?

Former Super Bowl XXXVI Champion with the New England Patriots Jermaine Wiggins, a regular on the Greg Hill Morning Show and the Gresh and Keefe mid-day show on sports radio WEEI in Boston, recently claimed that Jaylen Brown told him that he wants out of Beantown and being Jayson Tatum?s sidekick with the Boston Celtics.

BPo001 · 07-07-2022, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JustJay

Take it with a grain of salt, but THJ for Brown get er done Nico?

Former Super Bowl XXXVI Champion with the New England Patriots Jermaine Wiggins, a regular on the Greg Hill Morning Show and the Gresh and Keefe mid-day show on sports radio WEEI in Boston, recently claimed that Jaylen Brown told him that he wants out of Beantown and being Jayson Tatum?s sidekick with the Boston Celtics.

Unless he?s playing in like Indiana or Sacramento he?s always going to be someone?s sidekick.

JustJay · 07-07-2022, 05:47 PM

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Unless he?s playing in like Indiana or Sacramento he?s always going to be someone?s sidekick.

Not if they trade him for KD, he was probably be the man in Brooklyn with Ben Simmons and disinterested in basketball Kyrie.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-07-2022, 06:22 PM

Call me crazy, but I'd take Brown over Tatum provided Brown is healthy. I personally believe Tatum is the most overrated player in the league.

Anyway, no way they do Brown for THJ, but I assume you were joking.

JustJay · 07-07-2022, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Call me crazy, but I'd take Brown over Tatum provided Brown is healthy. I personally believe Tatum is the most overrated player in the league.

Anyway, no way they do Brown for THJ, but I assume you were joking.

Yes of course I was joking lol.

Dtownsfinest · 07-07-2022, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Call me crazy, but I'd take Brown over Tatum provided Brown is healthy. I personally believe Tatum is the most overrated player in the league.

Anyway, no way they do Brown for THJ, but I assume you were joking.

Tatum may be overrated but he also has the potential to be one of the best players in the league. His ceiling is so much higher than Brown's.....

Thespiralgoeson · 07-07-2022, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

Tatum may be overrated but he also has the potential to be one of the best players in the league. His ceiling is so much higher than Brown's.....

I think Tatum is by far and away the best "#2" guy in the league. It was AD, but AD is never healthy anymore. All the talent in the world, and when he's "on" he's absolutely dominant, but seems to just be missing something as an alpha dog. He is the closest thing to Scottie Pippen there is today.

For that reason, if I could pair Luka with any player in the NBA, it would be Tatum. Give Luka an elite two-way wing that's capable of shutting down the opponent's best scorer and also can go off for 40 on any given night, and you'd have multiple championships.

Dtownsfinest · 07-09-2022, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

I think Tatum is by far and away the best "#2" guy in the league. It was AD, but AD is never healthy anymore. All the talent in the world, and when he's "on" he's absolutely dominant, but seems to just be missing something as an alpha dog. He is the closest thing to Scottie Pippen there is today.

For that reason, if I could pair Luka with any player in the NBA, it would be Tatum. Give Luka an elite two-way wing that's capable of shutting down the opponent's best scorer and also can go off for 40 on any given night, and you'd have multiple championships.

He'd be a great compliment to Luka. I think you can win a ring with a guy like him just like the Mavs won with Dirk. Dirk wasn't the most vocal alpha dog out there. He lead by his play though.

Male30Dan · 07-08-2022, 03:36 PM

Good to see him slowing down. Maybe just super nervous to start. 3 really bad TOs and had a 3 blocked but he's slick in the paint (despite what doesn't appear to be a great vertical). Definitely talent there.

Thespiralgoeson · 07-08-2022, 03:42 PM

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Good to see him slowing down. Maybe just super nervous to start. 3 really bad TOs and had a 3 blocked but he's slick in the paint (despite what doesn't appear to be a great vertical). Definitely talent there.

I think we all need to remember that the kid is probably going to be a long term project. I'm not saying he won't contribute at all this year, and the talent is definitely there, but still, he's not only jumping from high school to the NBA, he even missed his senior year because of covid. Unless you're Lebron, you're probably not going to be a stud right away. I expect him to improve over the course of the season, but I'm not sure we're going to see much from him at first.

Male30Dan · 07-08-2022, 03:46 PM

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I think we all need to remember that the kid is probably going to be a long term project. I'm not saying he won't contribute at all this year, and the talent is definitely there, but still, he's not only jumping from high school to the NBA, he even missed his senior year because of covid. Unless you're Lebron, you're probably not going to be a stud right away. I expect him to improve over the course of the season, but I'm not sure we're going to see much from him at first.

Which was the point of my initial "are you sure" question to EL. i don't disagree with you, but man I hope he turns it on soon. We will need him as our roster is presently built.

Thespiralgoeson · 07-08-2022, 04:18 PM

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Which was the point of my initial "are you sure" question to EL. i don't disagree with you, but man I hope he turns it on soon. We will need him as our roster is presently built.

I mean, I hope so too. I hope he averages 30.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-08-2022, 06:28 PM

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b...dty-story.html

Cuban spin job, but he took the high road with Jalen and the tampering thing so I kinda respect that.

I do believe him though that they weren't able to make an offer. That's a grey area thing that we might never fully know, but I just don't believe they wouldn't do 5/125.

SMC0007 · 07-08-2022, 08:00 PM

Kidd said Spencer starting. Hmm

https://twitter.com/DallasTexasTV/st...M5nma280w&s=19