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Old 03-17-2008, 11:31 AM   #1
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Dirk is great, And I'm sorry and no racism is intended here but If Dirk was a black man he would be called one of the greatest of all-time imo. But since he is a tall white guy from germany he is called soft and weak and a choker. I don't care though because I expect Dirk to lift the Larry O'brien trophy in front of all of the people who criticize him.
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Dirk is great, And I'm sorry and no racism is intended here but If Dirk was a black man he would be called one of the greatest of all-time. But since he is a tall white guy from germany he is called soft and weak and a choker. I don't care though because I expect Dirk to lift the Larry O'brien trophy in front of all of the people who criticize him.
Unfortuantely you are right about every all of that. How people conveniently forget all the great things he does, and single out minuscle mistakes is amazing to me.

I was reading ok lakerground.net a couple of weeks ago that Melo was more clutch than Dirk. Yes, that Melo that has yet to win a first round series. Why? Because last year he hit two clutch jumpers. While the countless that Dirk has hit are always forgotten.
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Unfortuantely you are right about every all of that. How people conveniently forget all the great things he does, and single out minuscle mistakes is amazing to me.

I was reading ok lakerground.net a couple of weeks ago that Melo was more clutch than Dirk. Yes, that Melo that has yet to win a first round series. Why? Because last year he hit two clutch jumpers. While the countless that Dirk has hit are always forgotten.
It's really messed up the things that have been said about Dirk, if Dirk was the one who shot 97 freethrows against the Miami cheat I bet you everyone would have said the series was rigged and everything but since it was Wade people will just say "Dirk is a choker". It's not fair and that is why I say the Mavs must crush the whole Nba. And then I want to see Dirk win the championship, That way all of the troubles Dirk went through in his time in the Nba will not be in vain. And the great thing really is that it is very possible for Dirk to climb the mountain(Rings!) very soon hopefully.
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Unfortuantely you are right about every all of that. How people conveniently forget all the great things he does, and single out minuscle mistakes is amazing to me.

I was reading ok lakerground.net a couple of weeks ago that Melo was more clutch than Dirk. Yes, that Melo that has yet to win a first round series. Why? Because last year he hit two clutch jumpers. While the countless that Dirk has hit are always forgotten.
Geno (womans uconn coach) was spot on with this
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Dirk is great, And I'm sorry and no racism is intended here but If Dirk was a black man he would be called one of the greatest of all-time. But since he is a tall white guy from germany he is called soft and weak and a choker. I don't care though because I expect Dirk to lift the Larry O'brien trophy in front of all of the people who criticize him.
wow...

you really are suffering aren't you?

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get a grip on reality you idiot
Get a Grip on reality? Are you serious? The funny thing is that alot of people agreed with my opinion and you didn't diss them but you had to come diss me.
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Dirk is great, And I'm sorry and no racism is intended here but If Dirk was a black man he would be called one of the greatest of all-time imo. But since he is a tall white guy from germany he is called soft and weak and a choker. I don't care though because I expect Dirk to lift the Larry O'brien trophy in front of all of the people who criticize him.
Dirk is one of the greatest PF's ever to play the game! Period!!!
He Played the position differently and is one of the most difficult players EVER to guard.

But race isn't the reason he is not getting the Love that he should, or could get.

Here's why.

1. ESPN - He shoots Jump shots and he doesn't look Pretty when he goes to the basket. He's has no television worthy highlights. (Steve Nash is a highlight reel).

2 Dallas hasn't won. Larry Bird and Kevin McHale won even though they had boring games (Espn wasnt a factor then either.)

3.He's a Big guy who plays small. (nothings wrong with it, but in most people's minds, its more admirable to be a small guy who plays big.
ie. Charles Barkley and Nate Robinson) If Dirk played like Lebron Dirk would possibly be the most famous athlete on the planet.

4.Dirk is Tim Duncan without the winning. (not as boring though).
Duncan and Dirk are each hall of fame PF's. Both play in towns that are not New York or LA. So you have to win in their cities to get attention. If Duncan didn't have the rings he would be struggling to get accolades, he barely gets them with the rings and Duncan is Black.

5. Dallas. If Dirk played in New York He would be a superstar! No disrespect to Dallas. (of course Football is the exception).

6. He did choke. Its Okay doesn't mean he's not one of greatest, but black or white, people don't forgive easily. It was hard for Chris Webber to shake that timeout in college. Everyone chokes sometimes its the ones who choke in the Championships that we Remember. ie. Dirk, Webber, Bill Buckner. (Dirk admits he Choked).

7. He's German. Some Americans still harbor some feelings. Enough said about that.

8. Bosh. Nobody but basketball fans know who Chris Bosh is for all the same reasons as Dirk. Not exciting, hasn't won, plays in smaller market. But he's a great player. Dirk and Bosh are the same.

Race isn't the issue. Remember Nash won back to back MVP's recently.

I'm surely not naive enough to think race is never a factor, but its not with Dirk.

Dirk your the man!!!!
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One of the top 10 greatest power forwards of all time? I could argue for that, the man is a revolutionary.
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One of the top 10 greatest power forwards of all time? I could argue for that, the man is a revolutionary.
uh...how about top 5 when all is said and done. I'm sure the numbers will back that up.
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uh...how about top 5 when all is said and done. I'm sure the numbers will back that up.
I would probably put Duncan, Malone, Barkley, Pettit, and Mchale ahead of Dirk as of now. As of June 2, 2005 the experts apparently had Dirk at #10.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2074360

I still think it's crazy Garnett is ahead of Dirk... and I think it's even more crazy people would still put him ahead of Dirk. He's done nothing more than Dirk has in his career. We'll see how it plays out but ideally I would like to think him being a revolutionary at the 4 would move him up higher on the list as well as being hands down the best European player.

Mchale gets the nod because of his championships, I know it's not a prerequisite to be on the list but if Dirk was in his position he would also be a second banana. Can't fault him for that, especially with three championships (more than Dirk, Garnett, Barkley, Pettit, Hayes, and Malone combined... wow).
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All Hail....I'm in the opinion that Dirk is having his best season yet. I say that because I think his defense and passing have both improved fairly dramatically this season. He also looks the strongest that I can remember.

Def top 10 pf of all time.
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Dirk is great, but it took me a while to get over this picture...




Here is the picture that won me back!!!

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Damn that's european.
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Don't ever post this again... Ever!

As a matter of fact, could someone make a virus that can delete this pic from every hard drive on the planet?
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Here is the picture that won me back!!!

I call photoshop!




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Definitely top 10 if there are other PF's in history in that mix that haven't won it all.

If there aren't, then as much as I hate to say it, I don't believe Dirk deserve to be in there.

However, if we were ever to win a championship, Dirk skyrockets into a debate for being the GREATEST of all time imho.
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Definitely top 10 if there are other PF's in history in that mix that haven't won it all.

If there aren't, then as much as I hate to say it, I don't believe Dirk deserve to be in there.

However, if we were ever to win a championship, Dirk skyrockets into a debate for being the GREATEST of all time imho.
Dirk is never going to be considered the greatest PF because of his defense. You have to be great at both ends to be the greatest.

However, having a title is certainly not a prereq for being a great at your position. At PF that is certainly true, as Malone and Barkley would probably be in just about anyone's top 5 PF's of all time.
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Dirk is never going to be considered the greatest PF because of his defense. You have to be great at both ends to be the greatest.

However, having a title is certainly not a prereq for being a great at your position. At PF that is certainly true, as Malone and Barkley would probably be in just about anyone's top 5 PF's of all time.
Yeah, even if Dirk ends up winning a championship or two before he's done, he will probably end up being remembered as a kind of 'asterisk' greatest ever player. The 'Greatest' European or foreign player ever, or perhaps the 'Greatest' shooting power forward. He will definitely finish as one of the top five greatest to have ever played the PF position though...
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Yeah, even if Dirk ends up winning a championship or two before he's done, he will probably end up being remembered as a kind of 'asterisk' greatest ever player. The 'Greatest' European or foreign player ever, or perhaps the 'Greatest' shooting power forward. He will definitely finish as one of the top five greatest to have ever played the PF position though...
Greatest European is in the bag.

Great foreign player is difficult to define. If Hakeem counts, Dirk isn't touching him I don't think.

If it's greatest foreign born that didn't attend an American college...you probably have a discussion there, I think.

If he wins a title, he will be in a lot of conversations as top 5 PF of all time, I think.
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You have to put Malone in the top ten and he's never won a championship, I know a lot of people see KG's name in there too... Barkley? Yeah, Dirk has to be on that list.
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not in order...Duncan, Barkley, Malone, Dirk, KG....projecting stats...who would you guys put in here that would bump Dirk?? Moses?...McKale?
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not in order...Duncan, Barkley, Malone, Dirk, KG....projecting stats...who would you guys put in here that would bump Dirk?? Moses?...McKale?
McHale and Bob Pettit would be the next two names most people would bring up, I think.
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McHale and Bob Pettit would be the next two names most people would bring up, I think.
Give me Dirk...McHale was a second banana his entire career....which has to discount him to some degree in my book...

Pettit's career stats are insane....
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I pooed my pants when he obliterated Phoenix in the 2006 playoffs by himself. The article the next day: Deliverance.
be quiet....you had me at 50pt game in the playoffs
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Dirk would not be second fiddle to Kidd...Kidd is the support of Dirk...not the other way around. I agree that the media would present it as Kidd then Dirk...but that is bc they love Kidd and dislike Dirk. Dirk is the #1 on this team...don't loose sight of that.

if they win a ring...it will be on Dirk's back. McHale is clearly a second banana to Bird though.
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Dirk would not be second fiddle to Kidd...Kidd is the support of Dirk...not the other way around. I agree that the media would present it as Kidd then Dirk...but that is bc they love Kidd and dislike Dirk. Dirk is the #1 on this team...don't loose sight of that.

if they win a ring...it will be on Dirk's back. McHale is clearly a second banana to Bird though.
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Dirk's offense is more superior to KG's offense than KG's defense is superior to Dirk's defense in my opinion.

Dirk is the greater threat to an opponent...
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I meant if Dirk was on that Celtics team with Bird, I agree this is still Dirks team no question. You can't fault Mchale for being on a team with a superior player when it produces three championships, the same would be true of Dirk. Clearly the analysts did fault him a bit for being a second banana since Barkley and Malone (0 rings) are higher.
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McHale is not the player we know today if he doesn't have Bird drawing all that attention...Dirk has done everything in his career as the #1 (after the first couple years of his career)
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if a person isn't going to put Dirk in the top 10 because his d is too weak, then that person ought to think twice about Malone as well. I never thought he was anything special on the other end of the court.

and barkley too -- talked a big game, but Dirk would have lit him up for 75 points a game if he had barkley guarding him..
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if a person isn't going to put Dirk in the top 10 because his d is too weak, then that person ought to think twice about Malone as well. I never thought he was anything special on the other end of the court.

and barkley too -- talked a big game, but Dirk would have lit him up for 75 points a game if he had barkley guarding him..
Dirk was a rather weak defensive player the first 5 years of his career...but these last couple years his defensive improvement has gone largely unnoticed...but his is a vastly improved defensive player.
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yeah -- he's got Karl Malone's only defensive move, a strip, and a lot on top of that.

it really struck me in the Nets game last week just how much the mavs had missed dirk's defense in the previous game v. the rockets.
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yeah -- he's got Karl Malone's only defensive move, a strip, and a lot on top of that.

it really struck me in the Nets game last week just how much the mavs had missed dirk's defense in the previous game v. the rockets.
he is solid off the ball, solid blocking shots, solid man on man....not great...but I think more than passable...he might even be nudging closer and closer to a "good" defender.
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