Official 2011 Dallas Cowboys Season Thread - Page 4 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Male30Dan · 10-02-2011, 03:42 PM

DevinHarriswillstart · 10-02-2011, 03:47 PM

That was about as terrible as it gets.

Male30Dan · 10-02-2011, 03:49 PM

Question to Garrett:

"On Tony's last interception..."

You never want to hear that question formed that way.

tcat075 · 10-02-2011, 03:50 PM

Well, that.

Hard to defend Romo. Made big mistakes with both the 1st and the 3rd pick.

I haven't given up on him, but he's getting no love from me this week. He's got the rest of the season; figure it out. He's the best option we got, and if he ever does get it right it's a pretty good option. I don't know. I always thought he would, I always thought it was a matter of time, but I don't know anymore. I don't even want to think about it...hopefully, if all goes as planned, the next time I think about the Cowboys is two weeks from now.

Male30Dan · 10-02-2011, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by tcat075

Well, that.

Hard to defend Romo. Made big mistakes with both the 1st and the 3rd pick.

I haven't given up on him, but he's getting no love from me this week. He's got the rest of the season; figure it out. He's the best option we got, and if he ever does get it right it's a pretty good option. I don't know. I always thought he would, I always thought it was a matter of time, but I don't know anymore. I don't even want to think about it...hopefully, if all goes as planned, the next time I think about the Cowboys is two weeks from now.

That is the single reason he hasn't been given up on for all of his stupidity to date. Frankly, we need to (both as fans and as decision makers for this team) understand that Tony is a very talented but incredibly limited (due to his dumb) QB that will never win a Super Bowl for our franchise.

As much as I want to tie Pittsburgh for the most titles ever, Tony will NOT get us there. He just won't.

sike · 10-02-2011, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Male30Dan

...Tony is a very talented but incredibly limited (due to his dumb) QB that will never win a Super Bowl for our franchise.

I for one think Tony's arm is incredibly average.

Male30Dan · 10-02-2011, 05:07 PM

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I for one think Tony's arm is incredibly average.

Definitely don't agree but if you do feel that way (and given how you must feel about his intelligence - rather lack thereof) I take it you are fairly fed up with our "leader" of Cowboys Nation.

tcat075 · 10-02-2011, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Male30Dan

That is the single reason he hasn't been given up on for all of his stupidity to date. Frankly, we need to (both as fans and as decision makers for this team) understand that Tony is a very talented but incredibly limited (due to his dumb) QB that will never win a Super Bowl for our franchise.

As much as I want to tie Pittsburgh for the most titles ever, Tony will NOT get us there. He just won't.

Tony gives us a better shot than, I don't know, Stephen McGee back there. If you think we need to be looking for a QB this offseason, then that's one thing, but as of right now, he's sure as hell the best thing we have. It's not like we need a manager back there who just doesn't make mistakes while our awesome run game wins games. What run game? The only offense the Cowboys have gotten this year has been thanks to Romo making plays. Realize that. He's also up and made plays the other way to help lose games, but he was the reason the Cowboys had the lead to start with.

Remember, he got to the Divisional round two years ago, and it wasn't his fault they lost there (offensive line and defense was clearly to blame). And last year, he was playing pretty well minus half a dozen interceptions off receivers' hands at the beginning of the year, and the myriad other issues the Cowboys were having was ruining his efforts.

Always the optimist, I'm going to ignore Game 1 this year. First real game back from the broken collarbone, with a tumultuous offseason not helping him get back into form, and he was rusty. He made two critical mistakes, both on him, and they lost. They weren't even suppose to be in the game. I actually heard a lot of people expressing this opinion after Romo did well in Game 2.

That leaves us with two games that Romo clearly won for us despite everything working against him to lose the game, and a game that he lost with a huge lead making it easy to win the game. He's an enigma, but I say there's not nearly enough data to draw any conclusions. And I know, a lot of the arguments are based on former seasons, but again, I'd consider both of his last two to be "positive" seasons, at the very least.

There's a bunch of words. I'm not sure how much sense they all make, because I sure didn't have any plan to my writing. But hopefully pulling a Ron Washington and using my gut to write all that out gets my point across as clear as I was trying to. Honestly, I sometimes wish I could just be a pessimist, or as you'd probably call it, a realist, and just bash Romo because of his record of screwing up, but I just keep seeing all the games he's won, all the comeback's he's orchestrated, all the great moment's he's had hiding back behind those glaring mistakes, and I can't help but think that he has it in him to be the guy.

Male30Dan · 10-02-2011, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tcat075

Tony gives us a better shot than, I don't know, Stephen McGee back there. If you think we need to be looking for a QB this offseason, then that's one thing, but as of right now, he's sure as hell the best thing we have. It's not like we need a manager back there who just doesn't make mistakes while our awesome run game wins games. What run game? The only offense the Cowboys have gotten this year has been thanks to Romo making plays. Realize that. I do dude, I do - but as I posted when I first got on this forum today - The Romo giveth and the Romo taketh away. He's also up and made plays the other way to help lose games, but he was the reason the Cowboys had the lead to start with. Does that get him a participation ribbon? Who the F cares if he is the reason we had the lead if he single handedly gives it back?

Remember, he got to the Divisional round two years ago, and it wasn't his fault they lost there (offensive line and defense was clearly to blame). Yeah, he played no role in it - how many points did we score again? And last year, he was playing pretty well minus half a dozen interceptions off receivers' hands at the beginning of the year, and the myriad other issues the Cowboys were having was ruining his efforts.Hahaha... OK.

Always the optimist, I'm going to ignore Game 1 this year. How convenient for you. First real game back from the broken collarbone, with a tumultuous offseason not helping him get back into form, and he was rusty. He made two critical mistakes, both on him, and they lost. They weren't even suppose to be in the game. It always is easier to find excuses for the people you hold in high honor than to fully accept their failures. I actually heard a lot of people expressing this opinion after Romo did well in Game 2.

That leaves us with two games that Romo clearly won for us despite everything working against him to lose the game, and a game that he lost with a huge lead making it easy to win the game ...and the game you generously decided to forget that he also lost for us. He's an enigma, but I say there's not nearly enough data to draw any conclusions. I and many, many, MANY others say you are quite wrong - check my link to BTB for proof. And I know, a lot of the arguments are based on former seasons, but again, I'd consider both of his last two to be "positive" seasons, at the very least.

There's a bunch of words. I'm not sure how much sense they all make, because I sure didn't have any plan to my writing. But hopefully pulling a Ron Washington and using my gut to write all that out gets my point across as clear as I was trying to. Yup - homer that hasn't given up on someone that absolutely needs to be given up on. Quite clear. Honestly, I sometimes wish I could just be a pessimist, or as you'd probably call it, a realist, and just bash Romo because of his record of screwing up, but I just keep seeing all the games he's won, all the comeback's he's orchestrated, all the great moment's he's had hiding back behind those glaring mistakes, and I can't help but think that he has it in him to be the guy. [b]I was just like you for far too long - week 1 finally cleared that up for me. You aren't there yet. Just wait - his dumb isn't done.

No offense, but I had to respond. Just can't give this guy (Romo) a break here. He is a Fing idiot with a brain the size of my pinky toe and I am fed up with his. Again, nothing at all personal - but 80% of this is optimistic homer-fueled fluff that can lead the masses to ignoring what just happened and that has happened long enough. Let's all stop making excuses for him. Please.

chumdawg · 10-02-2011, 09:33 PM

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No offense, but I had to respond. Just can't give this guy (Romo) a break here. He is a Fing idiot with a brain the size of my pinky toe and I am fed up with his. Again, nothing at all personal - but 80% of this is optimistic homer-fueled fluff that can lead the masses to ignoring what just happened and that has happened long enough. Let's all stop making excuses for him. Please.

You can get fucked. You are no kind of fan.

Jon Avalon · 10-02-2011, 03:53 PM

Once sensabaugh went down, i had a feeling something was going to happen and the momentum would shift. But i didn't expect that outcome :/

Oh well, I'm going back to watching Mavs vids.........who's with me?

DevinHarriswillstart · 10-02-2011, 04:17 PM

It just sucks to know that Romo can blow the game at any point with horrible decisions. It seems being a Cowboys fan will always be uneasy as long as he is the QB.

GermanDunk · 10-02-2011, 04:30 PM

Really sad. Blowing a 3 TD lead is not acceptable. If i was Romo, i´d quit !

Dirkadirkastan · 10-02-2011, 04:36 PM

OK, back to baseball...

Male30Dan · 10-02-2011, 05:17 PM

Wow... Just went over and decided to try to make my way through some of the comments on BTB and, well, it was the equivalent of looking in a mirror.

Give it a read if you are brave enough...

Male30Dan · 10-02-2011, 07:57 PM

Article pretty much sums up my feelings...

alby · 10-02-2011, 09:44 PM

THANK GOD FOR THE RANGERS AND MAVERICKS.

that is all.

dalmations202 · 10-03-2011, 06:58 AM

Dan, didn't we just have this discussion about Romo being a Farve type QB. One that will win a few games a year for you. Who is also the one who will LOSE games for you.

This was just a week of the Lose the game for you Romo.

To a large extent he won the 49's and Redskins games.......to an extent it was totally on him that we lost the Jets and Detroit games.......he is 50-50 right now.

Male30Dan · 10-03-2011, 08:17 AM

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Dan, didn't we just have this discussion about Romo being a Farve type QB. One that will win a few games a year for you. Who is also the one who will LOSE games for you.

This was just a week of the Lose the game for you Romo.

To a large extent he won the 49's and Redskins games.......to an extent it was totally on him that we lost the Jets and Detroit games.......he is 50-50 right now.

A franchise this prestigious needs more than a 50/50 QB that will literally single handedly lose you games. He never was THIS bad before. He had mental gaffes - big ones even, but not of epic fail proportions. I mean, yesterday was the Homer Simpson Epic Fail picture where his cornflakes are on fire and at his disposal are merely milk and cereal. Yesterday was this shit:

You think I and others should just shut up about it because we have talked on this subject before? Come on - surely you don't accept this. I feel like John Q right now and my Cowboys need a new heart and you tell me to accept their fate. NO, I WILL NOT ACCEPT THEIR FATE. No I will not be OK with it. They have heart dis, err, brain disease right now. A transplant is the only way to have a chance at a healthy life and unfortunately the brain options are seriously limited.

So what can we do outside of accept it? Good damn question. Jones made his stance clear last night. Romo is his man and games like this won't change that. That's awesome. Play like shit and you have a free pass for as long as your stupid ass is under contract for our team.

I mean, call the Fer out please. You need an owner (that's not true - frankly Jones should STFU) or Jason to sit at the podium and say something like "That was ridiculous and it absolutely can't continue. We have faith in Tony but that Faith only goes so far and you can't have two performances like this now where a player single handedly snatches defeat from the jaws of victory."

Obviously that won't happen, but this SOB needs a wake up call of epic proportions and he won't get it being coddled and having excuses made for him with memories of the good games he CAN have as a reason to forget the horrible, horrible ones he is all too frequently having now.

Enough. ENOUGH.

dalmations202 · 10-03-2011, 09:45 AM

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You think I and others should just shut up about it because we have talked on this subject before? Come on - surely you don't accept this. I feel like John Q right now and my Cowboys need a new heart and you tell me to accept their fate. NO, I WILL NOT ACCEPT THEIR FATE. No I will not be OK with it. They have heart dis, err, brain disease right now. A transplant is the only way to have a chance at a healthy life and unfortunately the brain options are seriously limited.
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Enough. ENOUGH.

I never thought you should shut up about it, I am just wondering why it came as such as surprise to you when we just talked about it?

I have seen this in Romo since his botched FG hold. He is just so consistently inconsistent.

Male30Dan · 10-03-2011, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by dalmations202

I never thought you should shut up about it, I am just wondering why it came as such as surprise to you when we just talked about it?

I have seen this in Romo since his botched FG hold. He is just so consistently inconsistent.

Yeah, but this was something different. This was truly by far the worst he has ever been and I didn't actually know he could be this bad. That is why I was surprised. My expectations were low after Week 1 but they weren't THAT low because I had never seen that level of play yet. Now I know. Now it will take something even worst to surprise me. Hopefully you get from me "more of the same... yawn!" or "way to go Romo, you didn't blow the game this time" posts from here on out and not 50 posts or whatever it became from seeing an implosion in front of my eyes.

This is honestly like asking a wife that has been cheated on by her husband why she is surprised that he did it again and she says she isn't surprised that he failed, but that he cheated with 4 women, 1 of which was a midget - yeah, that was surprising and much more disappointing. Sometimes the level of fail throws you off - even when you are anticipating some degree of fail from that particular person.

dalmations202 · 10-03-2011, 10:00 AM

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Yeah, but this was something different. This was truly by far the worst he has ever been and I didn't actually know he could be this bad. That is why I was surprised. My expectations were low after Week 1 but they weren't THAT low because I had never seen that level of play yet. Now I know. Now it will take something even worst to surprise me. Hopefully you get from me "more of the same... yawn!" or "way to go Romo, you didn't blow the game this time" posts from here on out and not 50 posts or whatever it became from seeing an implosion in front of my eyes.

This is honestly like asking a wife that has been cheated on by her husband why she is surprised that he did it again and she says she isn't surprised that he failed, but that he cheated with 4 women, 1 of which was a midget - yeah, that was surprising and much more disappointing. Sometimes the level of fail throws you off - even when you are anticipating some degree of fail from that particular person.

See you really are a bigger Romo fan than you thought. You actually didn't expect a game like this from him.

I on the other hand don't hate Romo, but expect this kind of thing from him all the time. He didn't surprise me much at all. He is still a better QB than everyone they have had since Aikman, and better than everyone they had between Danny White to Aikman as well.

Dirkadirkastan · 10-03-2011, 01:03 PM

Found this on the nfl.com front page:

@swish41

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Dear tony romo. Don't worry abt all the critics. I heard that same garbage for a long time. Keep working hard and keep improving.

LonghornDub · 10-03-2011, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

Found this on the nfl.com front page:

@swish41

If there's anything we learned from the Mavs' postseason, it's that fans are never wrong when they're sure they have a player pegged.

Never ever.

Male30Dan · 10-04-2011, 08:25 AM

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If there's anything we learned from the Mavs' postseason, it's that fans are never wrong when they're sure they have a player pegged.

Never ever.

Your bag is getting super empty isn't it?

alby · 10-03-2011, 01:44 PM

We are sitting at 2-2 going into the bye week. We could be 4-0, we also easily could be 0-4...that is the definition of mediocrity. Here comes a 7, 8, or 9 win season, barely missing the playoffs, and getting mid-round pick.

Game 1 - First Dallas team in franchise history to blow two TD lead going into the fourth. Mark Sanchez = inferior = should be a win
Game 2 - tough win against an inferior team playing at home. Their WR situation is worst than ours and Gore was a no-show. Alex Smith = inferior = should be a win
Game 3 - MNF against the Redskins. Rival game--weird things always happen against the Redskins. Won without scoring a TD. Rex Grossman = inferior = should be a win
Game 4 - Biggest collapse in franchise history. Biggest comeback in Detroit history. Two pick-6's, gave them 14 quick points when they had shown nothing offensively. Matthew Stafford = a wash = 50/50 game

As you can see, I put most of the onus on QB play. Sanchez, Smith, Grossman are horrible, you really couldn't gift wrap the first three games any better than that.

We should be 3-1 at worst.

alby · 10-03-2011, 01:48 PM

After our bye, we have Brady, Bradford, Vick, and Tavaris Jackson before the midway point of the season.

Brady = superior = should be a lost
Bradford = inferior = should be a win
Vick = superior = should be a lost
Jackson = inferior = should be a win

If we exceed 2-2 expectations and go 3-1, we may have a chance (5-3 at the halfway point).

xrobx · 10-03-2011, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by alby

After our bye, we have Brady, Bradford, Vick, and Tavaris Jackson before the midway point of the season.

Brady = superior = should be a lost
Bradford = inferior = should be a win
Vick = superior = should be a lost
Jackson = inferior = should be a win

If we exceed 2-2 expectations and go 3-1, we may have a chance (5-3 at the halfway point).

vick superior? lol. that's why the eagles are 1-3. ware will eat him for dinner

Male30Dan · 10-04-2011, 08:26 AM

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vick superior? lol. that's why the eagles are 1-3. ware will eat him for dinner

Man I hope so. I still get nervous when he suits up against us - always have. Still get nervous when McNabb suits up against us too. Just something about those guys that can keep a play going. Philly's problem is definitely not Vick to me. They have a ton of other issues hurting them that I hope will still be hurting them when we line up against their group.

Male30Dan · 10-04-2011, 12:19 PM

Others chiming in...

Male30Dan · 10-05-2011, 11:23 AM

And another...

DevinHarriswillstart · 10-16-2011, 03:24 PM

It took 3 minutes for Romo to throw an interception. A bad one.

Male30Dan · 10-16-2011, 04:21 PM

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It took 3 minutes for Romo to throw an interception. A bad one.

Never expected us to win this one, so I won't be horribly upset with a loss. That said, it is very, very unfortunate that Romo has played this poorly given the opportunities NE has given our offense.

Nothing I didn't anticipate of course, but unfortunate all the same. Hopefully he can turn it around in the 2nd half and go against the grain from his normal 3rd/4th quarter production. I will say that this game it is definitely not all him. Missed tackles, Choice's fumble (ugh why does he get reps on this team over Murray), dropped receptions, PENALTIES... Nothing has changed under Ginger. We are stupid as hell.

No matter, my Ranger high is untouchable.

craggmac · 10-16-2011, 04:18 PM

anybody got a link

Male30Dan · 10-16-2011, 04:24 PM

Wow that was a CRAZY move by Bryant.

Male30Dan · 10-16-2011, 04:26 PM

See how much more Murray works on his attempts? He is truly the guy that should be getting the goal line and 1-yard rushes, along with potentially cutting into Jones' rushes if he just keeps falling into a group of men. Ugh. Had so much hope for him.

Male30Dan · 10-16-2011, 04:36 PM

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See how much more Murray works on his attempts? He is truly the guy that should be getting the goal line and 1-yard rushes, along with potentially cutting into Jones' rushes if he just keeps falling into a group of men. Ugh. Had so much hope for him.

Dude didn't get in from the 3 there but the difference is he seems so much hungrier to get that ball across the line - going so far as to dive into the hole he thought he had. Jones/Choice both just run into the asses of their line and fall down.

I am glad we cut him, but I miss Barber's jumps across the line. Don't understand why no one tries that. Obviously you are more prone to a fumble, but the ball only has to cross the line before it is dead.

Male30Dan · 10-16-2011, 04:33 PM

Much better job Dallas. No penalties, good blocking, hard rushing, accurate passing, great running after the catch - just very good football on that possession. Keep that shit up Boys and you have a chance here.

Prior to that last drive the defense has played very well too - likely last drive a result of our offense being on the field for such a short period of time and them getting tired.

Come on Dallas! Surprise some folks out East.

DevinHarriswillstart · 10-16-2011, 04:35 PM

Murray is certainly playing better than either Choice or Jones.

Male30Dan · 10-16-2011, 05:17 PM

Impressive comeback. D should be well rested so hopefully we keep it going. Tough break that sack on 2nd down - move your feet Smith.