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Howard & Stack to ATL for Josh Smith
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Atlanta Gets: Josh Howard Jerry Stackhouse Dallas Gets: Josh Smith (S&T) Atlanta fans appear to be considering trading Smith and Howard's one of the names they have targeted in a sign and trade scenario. Howard seems like he would be a good fit over there in the East along side JJ and Stackhouse would give them some veteran grit with and expiring contract. Josh Smith wouldn't be that solid #2 option we're looking for behind Dirk but he is a beast of a defensive player and it would truly be a dream to watch him and Kidd play together. He is also extremely young and has defensive player of the year potential (placed 6th in voting this season) If we could then make a trade of Terry for Maggette then we suddenly have several strong guys who can get to the rim and compliment Kidd on the fast breaks. Dallas Potential Lineup: Damp / ? Dirk / Bass Smith / R. Terry/FA_James Jones? Maggette / Wright Kidd / Lue/Duhon? That's a big tough back court that can defend, get physical, and get tons of easy baskets. OR I've seen another offer of: Atlanta Gets: Josh Howard Dallas Gets: Marvin Williams Zaza Pachulia I don't like this one overall as much but it does give us size with a young physical Center in Zaza and a guy with potential who can run the floor in Williams. Dallas Potential Lineup: Damp / Pachulia Dirk / Bass Williams / R.Terry Maggette?/ Wright Kidd / Lue We'd still have the MLE as well.
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05-06-2008, 01:14 PM
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Uhhhh yeee rite.....LOL
but we can dream
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05-06-2008, 01:23 PM
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Yeah I know but the off-season is where dreaming happens.
The second one is more plausible but I'm not sure it's enough an improvement when we really need a #2 guy behind Dirk.
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05-06-2008, 01:24 PM
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The more I think about it..the more I hate players who are in their contract years and are playing for big bucks. We never know if they will keep attacking or play defense...or just take terrible jumpers.
However Josh Smith would be a great fit with Kidd..Kidd excels when there is a high flying dunker on the wing. Josh Smith's defense isn't too bad either ;-)
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05-06-2008, 04:16 PM
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Okay so what if we threw Bass into the equation? Smith is now strong enough to play the 4 if need-be so we may be able to get away with trading Bass while is value is very high.
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05-06-2008, 04:23 PM
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Josh/Stack for Redd is more realistic, no?
If the Terry for Mags thing is still alive, kidd/redd/mags/dirk/damp would be sick... assuming we added some youth to the bench quite frankly its the lineup Im hoping/praying for in the offseason.. and although somewhat pipedreamish, I think its somewhat realistic as well. |
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05-06-2008, 04:29 PM
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I don't know I mean Josh Smith is probably going to be asking for max-like money and I'm not sure if Atlanta will want to fork that much over when they have guys like Marvin Williams (who they drafted over Chris Paul) and Josh Childress who will stay for a lot less.
Then factor in the fact that after the Hawks lossed to Boston in game 7 Joe Johnson was saying he wants more veterans. With the Josh Smith trade we could still have a rediculous lineup, we just wouldn't be quite as deep but we would be much much better defensively. Damp Dirk Maggette Redd Kidd or Damp Dirk Josh Smith Maggette Kidd
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05-06-2008, 05:07 PM
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Trade one would be pretty nice, his athleticism and defense are very, very strong.
I would think though they will easily keep him over Childress. The second deal, that is definitely selling low on Josh.
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05-06-2008, 05:11 PM
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05-06-2008, 05:46 PM
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Not getting enough for Josh/Stack in my opinion.
Although I like Josh Smith.
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05-06-2008, 05:54 PM
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I think Josh Smith is more than enough. He can still get better, Stack can't get much better but he could freakishly find ways to get worse. It's already been well documented about Howard.
Smith can still clearly work on his offensive game, but he really knows that his game is finishing at the rim. The defense is really good too. You can put him on a guard or small forward and he will work them. I didn't like him going against KG b/c of the size factor, but they didn't have anyone else to throw at him. He really can fill up the stat sheet as well.
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05-06-2008, 06:01 PM
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The Hawks would have to be insane to do this deal.
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05-06-2008, 06:04 PM
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Insane isn't the right word, desperate is the word.
They've got him and Childress up for contracts and it's going to be hard to keep them both and get more experience that can actually help. That's what Joe Johnson is looking for, he wants to add some vet. experience to the roster and help carry the younger cast. If they keep both of them, they're not going to get "good" vet leadership. They'll get available vet leadership. So they'll have to let one of them go, so that is a where the desperation would come. You need to get something in return, can't just let them walk.
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05-06-2008, 06:06 PM
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I don't think Alanta wants any of our grandpas, especially how they took the Celtics full-throttle in the playoffs.
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05-06-2008, 10:25 PM
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Also..
why would Atlanta want more swingmen? Don't they have a decent amount now?
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05-06-2008, 10:39 PM
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Why would you give up the highest flyer in the NBA for a pot head?
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05-07-2008, 07:43 AM
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Josh Smith is in his 4th year and avg 17.2 ppg, and 8.2 rpg
Josh Howard just played his 5th year and avg 19.7 ppg and 6.9 rpg. I expect Smith to get approx the same amount of $$$$$ as Howard. Would I trade JHo straight up? Quite possibly. Would this be a great deal for either team, probably mostly a lateral move, IMO. Including Stack is overpaying though, and his 2M buyout contract is worth more than being a throw-in on a lateral move.
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05-07-2008, 09:05 AM
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Yeah the Hawks would be crazy to trade Smith away but c'mon man, let me have my moment in paradise.
 On the other hand, I do think there is a strong possibility we could pick up Redd, Maggette, and someone else pretty good like either Childress or James Jones with our MLE. The Howard & Stack for Redd makes a lot of sense and unless the Clippers make a move for someone like Terry, it appears they would be interested in discussing a Terry for Maggette deal. Childress would be very very hard to nab with the MLE but we can all hope...most likely it will be someone like Duhon or James Jones. A lot of people are saying this team is down for the count and that we don't have any pieces to do anything with, but I think we have a legitimate chance at nabbing two starters this off-season.
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I like Josh Smith, but I don't see the reason for Atl to let him go. Keep them coming though, as they at least make me try to think of how he would fit.
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Dallas would by far get the better deal, that includes the short term and the long term.
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05-07-2008, 12:26 PM
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Josh Smith isn't happening. The only high flyer in Dallas history was Tony Dumas. And he's definitely not coming back =/
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The two biggest needs are at SG and C. I don't see how acquiring Josh Smith does either of those things.
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Josh Smith would be great. So would Mike Redd. Heres three deals for you. give me feedback please
#1 Atlanta gets: Josh Howard, Jerry Stackhouse, cash and future 2nd round pick Dallas gets: Josh Smith, Josh Childress #2 Milwaukee gets: Jason Terry, Jerry Stackhouse, Erick Dampier Dallas gets: Mike Redd, Charlie Villanueva, Andrew Bogut, Desmond Mason #3 Utah gets: Josh Howard, Erick Dampier, Malik Allen, future 1st round pick and Devean George (S&T) Dallas gets: Mehmet Okur, Kyle Korver, Paul Millsap, Matt Harpring, Ronnie Price |
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we need a big man and a shooter. So if we could get the utah deal done above it would be nice. we might have to include sign and trade of lue, and drafdt right to steve logan and another pick
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The owners of those teams would have to be on cocaine, LSD, and ecstasy to agree to such deals.
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Nah, bad trade!!!
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no f*cking way. i hate Zaza Pachulia
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