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sefant77 · 05-30-2018, 11:23 AM

But it kills the 2018 FA. We are some of the few teams with cap space. Everyone seems to forget about it and compare it with the past plan powder years

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-30-2018, 12:02 PM

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But it kills the 2018 FA. We are some of the few teams with cap space. Everyone seems to forget about it and compare it with the past plan powder years

Because hoping that some star is going to come to dust and shit is a fool's errand. It's a near impossible sell to say hey we got DSJ and a completely unproven 2018 rookie...come aboard!

It doesn't work like that. Sure, there might be a player or two you could entice, but relying on it is exactly what plan powder was. Mavs need to gather young assets above all else.

mac222b · 05-30-2018, 02:37 PM

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Because hoping that some star is going to come to dust and shit is a fool's errand. It's a near impossible sell to say hey we got DSJ and a completely unproven 2018 rookie...come aboard!

It doesn't work like that. Sure, there might be a player or two you could entice, but relying on it is exactly what plan powder was. Mavs need to gather young assets above all else.

True and also if the virtue in being one of the few teams with cap room in a crappy FA class is to get "bargains", what would be the point? They wouldn't be better bargains than guys like Donovan Mitchell or Jarrett Allen or OG or Gary Harris- guys who were drafted later and provided HUGE rookie scale value.

Aaron Gordon and Capela will still cost you- no bargains. Will Barton or his ilk? I like him, does he move the needle? Nurkic, Len? Trading said bargains at the trade deadline? For what, the 14th pick or its equivalent at best?

The opportunity cost, potentially, is missing out on semi- salary dumps like Otto Porter, Wiggins etc. But those are huge contracts to take back and maybe even require us adding sweeteners.

EricaLubarsky · 05-30-2018, 03:07 PM

It's looking like Bamba and Jackson may go so early that they may not be available at 5.

If you have to choose between:

Porter Jr.
Doncic
Young
Carter
Bridges

Who do you pick?

dirt_dobber · 05-30-2018, 03:10 PM

I'm in the Porter Jr camp

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-30-2018, 03:17 PM

Porter Jr, but the Mavs really need another decent pick no matter who they take. Gotta try and make that happen.

Underdog · 05-30-2018, 04:48 PM

So Boston really likes Bamba... Rumors on Twitter swirling about the Mavs possibly trading #5 for Jaylon Brown and #27, along with maybe a 2019 pick.

Bryan_Wilson · 05-30-2018, 04:52 PM

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So Boston really likes Bamba... Rumors on Twitter swirling about the Mavs possibly trading #5 for Jaylon Brown and #27, along with maybe a 2019 pick.

I personally don't like it unless it's the Sac/Phili pick(would obviously be sac's pick) they have in 2019.

Melonhead · 05-30-2018, 06:11 PM

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So Boston really likes Bamba... Rumors on Twitter swirling about the Mavs possibly trading #5 for Jaylon Brown and #27, along with maybe a 2019 pick.

I would not be happy about this. But I could see Cuban doing it.

EDIT: I forget how quickly Ainge worked Cuban ala Rondo. So F no to playing nice with the Celtics.

Underdog · 05-30-2018, 05:02 PM

@SkinWade: Memphis waaaaaaay more logical than Dallas for Boston when you look at their assets combined with the Memphis goals

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-30-2018, 06:02 PM

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@SkinWade: Memphis waaaaaaay more logical than Dallas for Boston when you look at their assets combined with the Memphis goals

Yep, and Bamba might not even fall to 5....perhaps not even 4.

Melonhead · 05-30-2018, 06:13 PM

Does this mean Bagley has a chance of slipping to 5?
If JJJ, Bamba, Bagley are gone, put me down for MPJ. His shot is butter.

Melonhead · 05-30-2018, 06:14 PM

Seems too good to be true to snag 14 for taking onFaried contract. THAT I would do in a heartbeat.

j0Shi · 05-31-2018, 12:06 AM

I'd rather keep #5, but if Doncic, Ayton and Bamba are a lock to be gone at that point, I wouldn't be mad about trading the pick if we get a decent 2019 (Boston's isn't) in return. It's basically skipping a lot of uncertainty for a possibly better result next year. And let's be honest. Lot of people already saying playoffs next year, but Mavs are now in a 2-3 year rebuild mode. So that wouldn't hurt us too much.

tap2390 · 05-31-2018, 12:37 AM

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I'd rather keep #5, but if Doncic, Ayton and Bamba are a lock to be gone at that point, I wouldn't be mad about trading the pick if we get a decent 2019 (Boston's isn't) in return. It's basically skipping a lot of uncertainty for a possibly better result next year. And let's be honest. Lot of people already saying playoffs next year, but Mavs are now in a 2-3 year rebuild mode. So that wouldn't hurt us too much.

You would trade away the pick vs. drafting one of Bagley, Porter, Carter or Jackson Jr.? Gotta disagree. I could see small trade down.

j0Shi · 05-31-2018, 01:03 AM

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You would trade away the pick vs. drafting one of Bagley, Porter, Carter or Jackson Jr.? Gotta disagree. I could see small trade down.

I would rather have a player, but wouldn't be mad either. A month ago there were two big prizes in the draft, Ayton and Doncic. Now Bamba seems to make it a top 3. Much of the other names are only being brought/talked up because Mavs only landed #5. You really think we would be discussing Porter if we got #1 - #3?

Obviously us trading the pick hopefully means that somebody smarter than me concluded that it's worth sitting this one out.

Underdog · 05-31-2018, 05:34 AM

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I would rather have a player, but wouldn't be mad either. A month ago there were two big prizes in the draft, Ayton and Doncic. Now Bamba seems to make it a top 3. Much of the other names are only being brought/talked up because Mavs only landed #5. You really think we would be discussing Porter if we got #1 - #3?

This has been my top-3 for months now:

Ayton
Porter
Jackson

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Obviously us trading the pick hopefully means that somebody smarter than me concluded that it's worth sitting this one out.

Or us TALKING about trading the pick is a way to get the teams ahead of us to pass on the player we want... Kinda like how the FO pumped up Ntilikina before last year's draft, then literally cheered when NYK picked him because they wanted DSJ all along.

sefant77 · 05-31-2018, 10:39 AM

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Kinda like how the FO pumped up Ntilikina before last year's draft, then literally cheered when NYK picked him because they wanted DSJ all along.

Because they thought they wont get him at #9. There were strong rumours of Dennis going to the Magic, i think he worked out even twice for them.

They had Smith over Ntilikina and cheered when the Knicks took the player who was lower on their board

EricaLubarsky · 05-31-2018, 12:54 AM

No way Carter goes before Bamba.

Bryan_Wilson · 05-31-2018, 01:06 AM

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No way Carter goes before Bamba.

I'm not gonna lie if we passed on Bamba for Carter I might seriously cry on draft night. I'll 100% have to pay a visit to the primal scream thread and I'm not sure when or if I'd ever leave said thread. Bamba already grew on me as the season went on and then seeing that article from the ringer where he is training with Embiid's trainer and Tatum's guy and devouring nearly 7000 calories to get his body going... And then seeing him in interviews. He just seems to get it. Wouldn't be surprised at all if he's gone before the Mavs but if he's there and we pass on him for Carter I'm not going to take that well at all. Carter to me is more of a "solid" pick. It doesn't change a franchise. Bamba to me is a possible franchise changer, and at worst is a guy who anchors a defense and makes all defensive teams.

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-31-2018, 08:01 AM

Carter jr is a good example of why you absolutely don't try to max out Capela. There are three just as good as if not better versions of Capela in the top 15 players in Bamba, Carter, and RWIII.

I actually have been one of Carter's biggest supporters on here as he is a near emulation of Al Horford. He'll never be a superstar though which is the biggest issue. I'm also concerned about him keeping weight off to keep up with the modern NBA. Otherwise, he doesn't have many, if any, holes in his game.

tap2390 · 05-31-2018, 08:50 AM

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Carter jr is a good example of why you absolutely don't try to max out Capela. There are three just as good as if not better versions of Capela in the top 15 players in Bamba, Carter, and RWIII.

I actually have been one of Carter's biggest supporters on here as he is a near emulation of Al Horford. He'll never be a superstar though which is the biggest issue. I'm also concerned about him keeping weight off to keep up with the modern NBA. Otherwise, he doesn't have many, if any, holes in his game.

What about the prospect of drafting MPJ or Doncic and signing Capela?

DSJ - JJB
Wes - Seth
Barnes - McDermott
Dirk - MPJ - Maxi
Capela - Powell - Salah

Enough to get us into the playoffs? I think it’s damn close. Capela also still has a lot of upside, and is arguably the best defensive center in the league due to his ability to switch into guards.

Underdog · 05-31-2018, 10:04 AM

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What about the prospect of drafting MPJ or Doncic and signing Capela?

DSJ - JJB
Wes - Seth
Barnes - McDermott
Dirk - MPJ - Maxi
Capela - Powell - Salah

Enough to get us into the playoffs? I think it’s damn close. Capela also still has a lot of upside, and is arguably the best defensive center in the league due to his ability to switch into guards.

Except Capela is a RFA -- all the reasons you like him are exactly why Houston won't let him walk... He only has a $7m cap hold and they can go over the cap to re-sign him.

If you're gonna swing for the fences with the draft and free agency this summer, why not go with Porter/Boogie and pray to the Basketball Gods that both can regain their former glory? Seems like a more realistic scenario than trying to pry away Capela.

SMC0007 · 05-31-2018, 10:24 AM

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Except Capela is a RFA -- all the reasons you like him are exactly why Houston won't let him walk... He only has a $7m cap hold and they can go over the cap to re-sign him.

If you're gonna swing for the fences with the draft and free agency this summer, why not go with Porter/Boogie and pray to the Basketball Gods that both can regain their former glory? Seems like a more realistic scenario than trying to pry away Capela.

I get what you are saying, but Porters "former glory" reads a bit extreme.

EricaLubarsky · 05-31-2018, 10:28 AM

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Except Capela is a RFA -- all the reasons you like him are exactly why Houston won't let him walk... He only has a $7m cap hold and they can go over the cap to re-sign him.

If you're gonna swing for the fences with the draft and free agency this summer, why not go with Porter/Boogie and pray to the Basketball Gods that both can regain their former glory? Seems like a more realist35ic scenario than trying to pry away Capela.

They CAN resign him, but do they want to go into the tax to re-sign him and Paul just to be the same team that lost in the WCF?

Paul 35mill
Harden 30mill
Capela 25mill
Gordon 13.5mill
Tucker 8mill
Nene 3.6mill
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115.1mill for just those six guys next year

Cap at 101million
Tax at 123million

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-31-2018, 10:51 AM

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They CAN resign him, but do they want to go into the tax to re-sign him and Paul just to be the same team that lost in the WCF?

Paul 35mill
Harden 30mill
Capela 25mill
Gordon 13.5mill
Tucker 8mill
Nene 3.6mill
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115.1mill for just those six guys next year

Cap at 101million
Tax at 123million

Don't forget Anderson's 20 million this upcoming season and next.

Still, good teams/gms find a way to make the numbers work. I see almost no chance at all that they give up Capela. A Paul injury away from the finals is still better than not having a really, really good center who kills it in the pnr with Harden.

EricaLubarsky · 05-31-2018, 10:56 AM

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They CAN resign him, but do they want to go into the tax to re-sign him and Paul just to be the same team that lost in the WCF?

Paul 35mill
Harden 30mill
Capela 25mill
Anderson 20mill
Gordon 13.5mill
Tucker 8mill
Nene 3.6mill
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135.1mill for just those seven guys next year

Cap at 101million
Tax at 123million

Oops, missed Anderson. If they re-sign Capela and sign Paul to max, then they are already 12mill over the cap

Underdog · 05-31-2018, 11:07 AM

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They CAN resign him, but do they want to go into the tax to re-sign him and Paul just to be the same team that lost in the WCF?

What other choice do they have? If they let Capela walk because they're afraid of gong into the luxury tax then they might as well blow up the team and start over -- it's not like they'll be left with any other options to improve with their current cap situation... And you don't just blow up a team that was a Chris Paul injury away from beating the Warriors and going to the Finals. Capela isn't going anywhere.

SMC0007 · 05-31-2018, 10:26 AM

I probably wouldn't touch the phone if Ainge called about a trade, everything he touches turns to gold.

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-31-2018, 02:11 PM

I just don't get why some people are so hell bent on not drafting a big man in THE big man class of many, many years.

Right now, our starting pf and center is Dwight Powell and Dirk Nowitzki. And Powell is one of the team's best players which says a lot more about the team than it does Powell.

I want Bamba or Bagley, but honestly, Carter jr actually fits next to Powell really well if I'm being objective looking at the starting lineup. You absolutely have to consider fit along with best player available, but man, Carter fits right now. He is a guy that if the Mavs want him, then they could likely trade back.

I know we all want the next Durant/James, but we sooo need a big man as well.

SMC0007 · 05-31-2018, 02:30 PM

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I just don't get why some people are so hell bent on not drafting a big man in THE big man class of many, many years.

Right now, our starting pf and center is Dwight Powell and Dirk Nowitzki. And Powell is one of the team's best players which says a lot more about the team than it does Powell.

I want Bamba or Bagley, but honestly, Carter jr actually fits next to Powell really well if I'm being objective looking at the starting lineup. You absolutely have to consider fit along with best player available, but man, Carter fits right now. He is a guy that if the Mavs want him, then they could likely trade back.

I know we all want the next Durant/James, but we sooo need a big man as well.

Not that I disagree with you, I'm just curious what you think of Motley...where do you see him in a perfect world where he has realized his potential?

Bryan_Wilson · 05-31-2018, 03:13 PM

Unless Durant or Curry shot 25 free throws by themselves in a game followed by another 21 I'm not going to compare the refs now to 06. And Harden got one of those calls iirc in game 7 which gave him a 4 point play. They lost because they missed a record amount of 3's. They will continue to lose as long as their best player is more focused on cheap fouls rather than actually hitting big shots. He shot 16% from 3 the final 3 games, and still jacked up 12 of them in game 7. He's a guy who can at will get to the paint and it was a win or go home game. Yet his go to move was still to try and draw a cheap call for a bailout 3 points. That's weak. Refs will give the benefit of most calls to Harden but when he's shooting like ass and is clearly wanting a bailout you can't seriously say he should have gotten both those calls. I'll give one of them but the cheap one where he barely hit backboard clearly having no interest in seizing the moment... hell no. Extremely weak. They will never beat golden state with a weak pos as their best player.

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-31-2018, 03:34 PM

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Not that I disagree with you, I'm just curious what you think of Motley...where do you see him in a perfect world where he has realized his potential?

I think Motley is an excellent change of pace backup center. I haven't seen enough of him to know if he is starter material, but the guy always seems to produce. He isn't the rim protecting/shot blocker I think the team needs, but he seems to do everything else pretty well. Has a nice mid range shot that is almost all but dead in today's game.

Underdog · 05-31-2018, 03:45 PM

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I know we all want the next Durant/James, but we sooo need a big man as well.

We need the next Dirk far more than we need the next Chandler -- a guy with franchise player potential should be priority #1... But I'm okay with drafting someone like Bamba if all those guys are taken.

Luke · 05-31-2018, 03:02 PM

What players are allowed to get away with offensively has severely negatively impacted how much I watch and enjoy the league. I still watch some..but not nearly as much as I did in the past.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-01-2018, 10:22 PM

I really am starting to think Wendell Carter is a serious consideration for the Mavs.

Underdog · 06-01-2018, 10:42 PM

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I really am starting to think Wendell Carter is a serious consideration for the Mavs.

tap2390 · 06-01-2018, 10:59 PM

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I really am starting to think Wendell Carter is a serious consideration for the Mavs.

My weird gut feeling sways between Carter and Porter. I don't think we take Bamba or Doncic.

EricaLubarsky · 06-01-2018, 11:04 PM

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I really am starting to think Wendell Carter is a serious consideration for the Mavs.

mac222b · 06-01-2018, 11:37 PM

Man, I hope not. Carter seems too slow of foot to guard p’n’r effectively