Caron Butler´s injury Thread - Page 15 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

markus1234 · 05-11-2011, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick41

You speak as if Butler will be 100% back in game shape and with no rust right off the bat from his injury.

Do you remember Josh Howard in '08-'09 ?

He missed ton of games during the reg. season and in the playoffs he was the most energetic/freshest guy on the floor, when he single handedly beat the Spurs.

Sometimes rust is overrated. Especially on the defensive end rest>>>rust.

jthig32 · 05-11-2011, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Zki41

If Caron only eats into a little bit of Stevenson's minutes, I don't necessarily see how that could be so bad. I think offensively he will shoot at a much higher percentage than Stevenson. I am not sure of his defensive impact at this stage however, or how Butler eating into Stevenson's minutes will effect Stevenson.

Why would Caron playing have anything to do with Stevenson's minutes? You think they're going to bring him back from a five month injury AND play him at a position he hasn't played all year?

Kidd Karma · 05-11-2011, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by markus1234

Do you remember Josh Howard in '08-'09 ?

He missed ton of games during the reg. season and in the playoffs he was the most energetic/freshest guy on the floor, when he single handedly beat the Spurs.

Sometimes rust is overrated. Especially on the defensive end rest>>>rust.

At this time of year with every move so important, Butler dressing, then stepping on the floor will inspire us to go just that much further, give us that boost of adrenaline.....in games where 3-4 minutes are huge.

Kidd Karma · 05-11-2011, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Why would Caron playing have anything to do with Stevenson's minutes? You think they're going to bring him back from a five month injury AND play him at a position he hasn't played all year?

Yea, I don't think we should get him out of position, he knows our plays, both ways, don't mess with it, slide him and let him go 2-3 minutes a night dependent on matchups. If he eats anything it'll be into our forward rotation of Peja and Marion, all depends on matchups.

Underdog · 05-11-2011, 12:37 PM

Last time Butler was rumored to come back was right before the LA series, the last rumor before that was right before the Portland series - we're just messing with our opponents game-planning at this point...

Underdog · 05-21-2011, 04:10 PM

Two days ago...

deamon · 05-21-2011, 05:04 PM

So what? Yesterday You said he will back next season.

mac222b · 05-21-2011, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Two days ago...

Looks encouraging.

mavs777 · 05-21-2011, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

Looks encouraging.

At least he can change direction a bit but he looks a bit tenative to be honest there. I doubt he can come back for the end of year tho at this point

deamon · 05-21-2011, 06:13 PM

It's May, and you doubt he can come back for the end of year.

sefant77 · 05-24-2011, 09:36 AM

If we want him as a minor bench option for the finals he should start with full contact this week. Damnit, the Heat are the matchup were we need him the most.

Any news?

buddha08 · 05-24-2011, 08:03 PM

I like what Haslem has brought to the Heat and think Butler could do the same. Let me rephrase that, I actually don't like what Haslem has brought to the Heat because now they look even better.

CATCH-17 · 05-26-2011, 08:46 AM

Bump..

Lets get this guy back please!

Underdog · 05-26-2011, 12:35 PM

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Mavs don't rule out Caron Butler return

The Dallas Mavericks do not anticipate that Caron Butler will be able to play in the NBA Finals, although that remains a possibility.

"It's unlikely, but I can't rule it out for sure," coach Rick Carlisle said during a Thursday morning appearance on ESPN 103.3's "Ben and Skin Show".

Butler, a two-time All-Star who began his career with the Miami Heat, has been working to return from a ruptured patellar tendon in his right knee. Butler is able to sprint and jump, but he has not yet been cleared for full-contact practice.

Butler suffered the injury on New Year's Day in Milwaukee, popped the kneecap back in place and walked to the Mavericks' locker room because he didn't want the dozens of friends and family members who traveled from his hometown of Racine, Wis., to attend the game to see him carried off the court.

After Butler underwent surgery days later, the Mavericks announced that he would be out for the season. However, Butler declared soon afterward that he was determined to return during Dallas' playoff run.

Butler, known by his "Tuff Juice" nickname, was averaging 15.0 points as the starting small forward for a 24-7 team when he was injured. The Mavs signed Peja Stojakovic in midseason to help fill the scoring void created by Butler's absence.

Butler wasn't able to contribute to the Mavs' Western Conference championship run, but his positive attitude and work ethic has been an inspiration to teammates and coaches.

"I just want to see him in layup lines," Dallas guard Jason Terry said recently. "If he can get up in layup lines, it's going to boost us immensely emotionally. He's been here the whole way, though. This guy has worked so hard to get ready."

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Flacolaco · 05-26-2011, 12:37 PM

Even if he had been cleared to practice by now, which he hasn't, it would be an iffy proposition for a coach to change the rotation and introduce that kind of potential rust and chemistry alteration. I think we've been hopeful and maybe we'll continue to be, but...it sounds like a no go.

Underdog · 05-26-2011, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

Even if he had been cleared to practice by now, which he hasn't, it would be an iffy proposition for a coach to change the rotation and introduce that kind of potential rust and chemistry alteration. I think we've been hopeful and maybe we'll continue to be, but...it sounds like a no go.

I think we, as a fanbase, need to perpetuate the myth so Miami at least has to gameplan for him...

LonghornDub · 05-26-2011, 12:41 PM

Since we're not going 12-deep in the Finals anyway short of catastrophic injury/foul trouble, I wouldn't be opposed to suiting him up, just for the psychological boost.

Although I'll still say, if he can get in there and play a bit of defense, it'd be huge.

dalger · 05-26-2011, 12:42 PM

It would be great to have Caron back, if only for 10 decent minutes on the defensive end to a) give Marion enough rest, b) be prepared for potential foul trouble as it relates to Marion and c) not have to rely on Peja to play more minutes than he's capable of in this particular matchup.

Peja certainly benefited from the matchups in the first two rounds. Guys like Batum, Wallace, Artest and Barnes weren't able to exploit his defensive shortcomings due to their own shortcomings on the offensive end. Things got a whole lot more difficult against OKC with Durant and Harden. Miami should be even tougher with LeBron and Wade.

If Caron wasn't able to come back or at least be helpful in very limited minutes, one would hope that Peja could make shots like in the first two rounds to somewhat offset potential problems on defense. It would be equally big if Stevenson could knock down the 3 with any regularity and if Jet could go back to shooting at a higher percentage than in the WCF.

That said, we beat OKC 4-1 despite Jet, Peja and Stevenson struggling with their shots. Not being able to rely on Caron wouldn't be the end of the world considering that we weren't perfect against OKC and still came out on top.

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Although I'll still say, if he can get in there and play a bit of defense, it'd be huge.

I guess I could have reduced this post to your quote, LDub.

That's basically the only thing I'd want from Caron. Maybe 10 minutes with decent defense and the occasional made shot. Not 30 minutes and 15 PPG like during the regular season.

DirkFTW · 05-26-2011, 12:46 PM

deamon · 05-26-2011, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Flacolaco

Even if he had been cleared to practice by now, which he hasn't, it would be an iffy proposition for a coach to change the rotation and introduce that kind of potential rust and chemistry alteration. I think we've been hopeful and maybe we'll continue to be, but...it sounds like a no go.

Better play 10 minutes with Butler, than 3 PG line.

mavs777 · 05-26-2011, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by deamon

Better play 10 minutes with Butler, than 3 PG line.

assuming he can move well laterally

41mvp · 05-27-2011, 12:03 AM

I very like Caron but if he is ready for this Finals?

Monstergame · 05-27-2011, 05:27 AM

better a Caron Butler without practice for 10 minutes than no Caron Butler.

TNT · 05-27-2011, 05:29 AM

Is Butler OK now and we can see him in the finals?

Thespiralgoeson · 05-27-2011, 05:50 AM

If Butler's ready to play, I would not be at all opposed to seeing him out there for a few minutes or so, just to give Marion a breather. Lord knows we're knows we're not get anything defensively from Peja.

jcm28 · 05-27-2011, 10:15 AM

Id love to see butler out there playing a few minutes coming off the bench and see how it goes. I know its risky, but if hes available and could give us a few minutes then I dont see any harm.

deamon · 05-27-2011, 01:50 PM

Damn right, we should use him when Marion will have too many fouls.

skakavac · 05-27-2011, 02:03 PM

I today rewatched the game against the Heat @ Miami playing with Marion and CB. How great was it with those two on the court. Loved it when the heat run a Lebron wade P & R. Simply switch without any missmatch generated at all

I am quiet sure CB will dress for the emotional push. Make it happen

Lestat_1795 · 05-27-2011, 02:22 PM

Yes, suit up tough juice!

xrobx · 05-27-2011, 02:25 PM

guys. take a deep breath. say it with me. caron is not coming back this season. this is as bad as the people who were expecting he rapture last weekend.

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-27-2011, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by xrobx

guys. take a deep breath. say it with me. caron is not coming back this season. this is as bad as the people who were expecting he rapture last weekend.

I agree. I'm all for the team spirit and motivation, but he isn't coming back.

BGMaverick9 · 05-27-2011, 03:55 PM

Carlisle on Butler's availability in the Finals, "It’s unlikely, but I’m not sure...We’re not there yet, and we’re not close to being there.”

dirk2003 · 05-27-2011, 03:59 PM

I saw Donnie Nelson last Saturday.. someone asked him if there is any chance that Caron comes back for the finals if we make it. He said NO CHANCE

FINtastic · 05-27-2011, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Two days ago...

Let's see a video of him cutting off his right leg.

mavs777 · 05-27-2011, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by FINtastic

Let's see a video of him cutting off his right leg.

i would prefer it stay on

wiz · 05-27-2011, 05:45 PM

Hate to turn the lights out,caron Won't be back....yet even if he came back what on earth do dallas expect of him? this situation is similar to Haslem,miami didn't rush him back...when he finally got game time he was RUSTY and yet he still does not look anything like him self,caron if he does comes back he won't the x factor for dallas, period.

DULLAH · 05-27-2011, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by xrobx

guys. take a deep breath. say it with me. caron is not coming back this season. this is as bad as the people who were expecting he rapture last weekend.

It's nowhere close.

CARON IS COMING BACK
CARON IS COMING BACK

REST > RUST
REST > RUST

FINtastic · 05-27-2011, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

i would prefer it stay on

What if he could replace it with a bionic leg that had twice the power of his human one?

DirkFTW · 05-27-2011, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by FINtastic

What if he could replace it with a bionic leg that had twice the power of his human one?

I think that would make his dunks crooked.

Underdog · 05-28-2011, 03:08 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nba...ory?id=6603167

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Butler's attitude rubs off on Mavericks

DALLAS -- The Dallas Mavericks understood that however hard he worked, forward Caron Butler probably would not be joining this team of ring-less veterans on its pursuit of an NBA title.

So they dedicated the journey to him.

"We all said when the playoffs started we wanted to do it for him," guard Jason Terry said. "And if you ask him, I'm one of the guys that told him, 'Hey, we're doing this for you this time big boy.' I told you we'd do it and it's here now."

The rugged, 6-foot-7 Butler would be a significant asset for Dallas in the NBA Finals against the Miami Heat. In two regular-season games against the Heat, he averaged 18.0 points on 54.2-percent shooting and defensively helped limit LeBron James to 30.6 percent from the field.

But Butler ruptured the patellar tendon in his right knee in front of numerous family and friends in Milwaukee on Jan. 1. The Racine, Wis., native underwent surgery a few days later and has since been a constant presence around team -- and a source of inspiration, the team says -- as he bulldozes through rehabilitation.

Mavs coach Rick Carlisle reiterated that Butler is a longshot to play during the NBA Finals, but he refuses to shut the door on a possible return. Butler has yet to practice with the team and Carlisle continues to be vague about a potential timeline even though he said Butler's recovery is well ahead of schedule.

Butler was away from the team Saturday to attend to a family situation. He is expected to fly with the team to Miami on Sunday.

"He gets closer all the time. Really, I don't want to close the door on it because with him, he's never a guy you want to bet against," Carlisle said. "He's just one of those special guys. He's a month-and-a-half, two months ahead of the normal rehab schedule for a normal human being. It just shows the kind of work he's put into it, the sort of single-minded compulsiveness of his approach and how diligent he's been.

"It's been an inspiration to have him around. I just don't think it's the right thing to close the door even though I think it's unlikely [he'll play]."

A Butler return could have a similar emotional lift for the Mavs as Butler's former teammate with the Heat, Udonis Haslem, has had on his team. The blue-collar Haslem, in his eighth year with the Heat, played the first 13 games of the regular season before a foot injury sidelined him until late in the Eastern Conference semifinals.

He played in all five East finals against the Chicago Bulls, averaging a hard-working 22.2 minutes a game. His hustle is credited for tilting pivotal Game 2 in Miami's favor.

Butler was close to overtaking Terry as the team's second-leading scorer and was riding a sensational two-week wave before he went down.

He has seen two of his former teams, the Heat and the Los Angeles Lakers, win championships after he departed. His current team knows they could use what Butler -- long ago given the nickname "Tuff Juice" -- brings in what promises to be a physical Finals matchup against the star-studded Heat.

"He gives you that mental toughness, that edge we like to play with," Terry said. "He would definitely help us because his ability to one, create his own shot, and then defensively he could matchup obviously with LeBron [James] and Dwyane Wade. He would be another guy that would be on one of those guys."