Deshawn Stevenson was Dallas' 2nd best defender? - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Aggie E · 01-20-2012, 01:22 AM

Thats all Barkley says every time he talks Dallas. DeShawn was OK, but never the 2nd best defender and he did not even play more than 10-15 mpg in the playoffs and rode the pine all regular season...

twistaeffect2004 · 01-20-2012, 01:24 AM

Shoot.. Delonte West is a better defender than Stevenson as far as I'm concerned. Charles is officially off the Mavericks bandwagon.

mavs777 · 01-20-2012, 01:25 AM

why does it matter what barkley says?

grndmstr_c · 01-20-2012, 01:26 AM

I agree that Charles is off base with his commentary on the Mavs this season, but...

Dear newbies, not necessary to start a thread for random gripes like this. It's just not the way this board operates. This is GDT stuff.

Budapest Maverick · 01-20-2012, 01:26 AM

Maybe. Marion is obviously the best. Doesn't matter even if it's true, our defense is better than ever so far this year. Our problem is offense. I just hope when we get it together on offense (which we will) the D stays the same.

CadBane · 01-20-2012, 01:32 AM

Yeah, Charles keeps pissing me off with that rhetoric.

1. We aren't smaller. Wood is bigger than Tyson. West is SLIGHTLY shorter than DeShawn, and Carter is bigger than both.

2. Our defense is not worse. Wood has been just as good, if not better, overall on D. His offense is unbearable...but that's another story. West, same thing.

3. Chuck, you might not "like" stats...but that's really the only way to refute your misguided rhetoric.

jthig32 · 01-20-2012, 01:36 AM

Replacing JJ's minutes with West/Carter has had a dramatic effect on the defense. I still don't expect this streak to continue, but harping on the defense right now is just stupid.

CadBane · 01-20-2012, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Replacing JJ's minutes with West/Carter has had a dramatic effect on the defense. I still don't expect this streak to continue, but harping on the defense right now is just stupid.

With Chuck, it's all about magical intangibles. He views DeShawn & Tyson as "tough guys" with unquantifiable qualities which help you win. We could be giving up 60 PPG and he wouldn't care.

Aggie E · 01-20-2012, 01:43 AM

Whats worse is he says Dallas is back to outscoring teams to win...Chandler might not be the mystical 2K version of Bill Russell like everyone seems to think since NYK sucks just as bad with him as they did before him....

Budapest Maverick · 01-20-2012, 01:52 AM

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Whats worse is he says Dallas is back to outscoring teams to win...

That's just really idiotic. If anything, we win games by Pistons style. Doesn't he check the defensive stats? We're a dominant defensive team this year, while last year's squad was more like an opportunistic defensive team. This year, we really are top notch so far, if you get out the first 2 fluke game, i bet we're in top 2-3 in every single important defensive stat, including opponents PPG.

Bayliss · 01-20-2012, 01:54 AM

If the Mavs are trying to outscore the opposition/Kidd/Dirk/Terry didn't get the memo. The Mavs are having as much trouble scoring as a pimply faced virgin on prom night.

CadBane · 01-20-2012, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

If the Mavs are trying to outscore the opposition/Kidd/Dirk/Terry didn't get the memo. The Mavs are having as much trouble scoring as a pimply faced virgin on prom night.

But enough about your teenage years...

Bayliss · 01-20-2012, 01:56 AM

I speak from experience. Or lack thereof.

JeffViggiano · 01-20-2012, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

Yeah, Charles keeps pissing me off with that rhetoric.

1. We aren't smaller. Wood is bigger than Tyson. West is SLIGHTLY shorter than DeShawn, and Carter is bigger than both.

2. Our defense is not worse. Wood has been just as good, if not better, overall on D. His offense is unbearable...but that's another story. West, same thing.

3. Chuck, you might not "like" stats...but that's really the only way to refute your misguided rhetoric.

this.

deamon · 01-20-2012, 06:22 AM

Second best defender was Chandler.
Our best defender is Marion.

JeffViggiano · 01-20-2012, 06:28 AM

our third best defender was Kidd!

markus1234 · 01-20-2012, 08:51 AM

Deshawn could defend LBJ and Wade much better than West. No doubt about it.

Thomas86 · 01-20-2012, 09:48 AM

Stevenson defended all most all the top stars in the playoffs last season and the only thing the Mavs offered him was the vet-min for one season, I'm not shocked at all Stevenson didn't come back but why sign with the Nets tho....

Underdog · 01-20-2012, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by markus1234

Deshawn could defend LBJ and Wade much better than West. No doubt about it.

Marion guarded LeBron.

Como11 · 01-20-2012, 11:21 AM

A lot of you are doubting Charles Barkley's insight. Thats fine. Some things he says are questionable.

But please give the guy some respect. He was the only sports analysts last year that said the mavericks would beat Portland, the Lakers, OKC, AND Miami. He was completely right about the Mavericks last year. MAYBE, he is right about the mavericks this year. Lets wait and see.

markus1234 · 01-20-2012, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Marion guarded LeBron.

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West is better than Barea, but Deshawn will be missed.

Hey, but let's not panic. Once we reach the finals Vince Carter will be motivated as hell on both ends.

G-Man · 01-20-2012, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Como11

A lot of you are doubting Charles Barkley's insight. Thats fine. Some things he says are questionable.

But please give the guy some respect. He was the only sports analysts last year that said the mavericks would beat Portland, the Lakers, OKC, AND Miami. He was completely right about the Mavericks last year. MAYBE, he is right about the mavericks this year. Lets wait and see.

Charles's problem is that he made up his mind pre-season and is not letting evidence change it. The Mavs just have to keep going out and proving him wrong.

Big Wood does not play with the flair of TC, and that, of course, results in fewer rim rattling dunk shots, which is what really impresses the national media. But in his quiet way, he is clogging middle. We are not getting killed on pick and rolls. He bodies up the bigs like Bynum and Blake as well as Chandler ever did. Look at the buzzer beaters we've lost...except for the missed free throws, its not like the outcome would have been altered by Chandler's presence. No one was killing us in the paint.

Underdog · 01-20-2012, 11:36 AM

LonghornDub · 01-20-2012, 11:39 AM

What happened here is clearly that Chuck heard the Mavs were letting DeShawn and Tyson go, he thought it was stupid, and now everything he says about the Mavs will be through that prism for the entire year. Anything short of a repeat championship won't be enough to change his mind.

markus1234 · 01-20-2012, 11:40 AM

Of course Marion guarded LBJ, but so did Deshawn (and even Kidd). And i just do don't see West in this role. LBJ is too big for West.

LBJ and Wade was just a perfect matchup for Deshawn, Kidd and Marion. We did not need to run, we could switch and make them run.

Underdog · 01-20-2012, 11:42 AM

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Of course Marion guarded LBJ, but so did Deshawn (and even Kidd). And i just do don't see West in this role. LBJ is too big for West.

That's why we still have Shawn Marion...

More upside to Matrix guarding LeBron:

markus1234 · 01-20-2012, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by G-Man

Big Wood does not play with the flair of TC, ...But in his quiet way

I almost like "Wood and Mihnimi" better than last years "Chandler and lazy Wood".

Wood is playing great this year.

Underdog · 01-20-2012, 11:47 AM

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I almost like "Wood and Mihnimi" better than last years "Chandler and lazy Wood".

Wood is playing great this year.

Yep, I said it all last season when people questioned his salary - Haywood, like everyone else in the NBA, is a lot more motivated as a starter than a backup...

Underdog · 01-20-2012, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

why does it matter what barkley says?

Because he knows "a lot" about basketball.

I mean, he doesn't know how to win a ring, but he sure as hell knows how to throw down a monster dunk and scream at the camera... That's the entirety of the sport, right?

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-20-2012, 12:02 PM

More pictures! I will never get tired of that series! Can we make a rule that any post involving Lebron's epic fail will be allowed in any thread?

Anyway, Deshawn was great in that series. Still not really upset he is gone...

Justafix · 01-20-2012, 12:09 PM

Deshawn Stevenson was actually the 2nd worst Defender on the Mavs during the Regular Season (DEff 109) and tied for 2nd worst Defender during the Playoffs (DEff 109). Hey, at least he was consistent.

The worst was, of course: JJ Barea. Coqui.

Sauce: B-R.com

grndmstr_c · 01-20-2012, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by markus1234

Deshawn could defend LBJ and Wade much better than West. No doubt about it.

Why do people insist on bringing up Wade when it comes to making the argument for DeShawn over West when the weight of recent evidence suggests (pretty strongly) that Delonte is a better defensive option in that matchup?

endrity · 01-20-2012, 01:57 PM

I think, though I don't have any stats to back it up, that one reason why we are not missing Tyson as much this year is that our perimeter D has really taken a major step forward.

West and Roddy are covering the quicker guards in a way that JJ and Kidd could never do, and West really bodies up even bigger guards. Kidd and Trix are still here.
LO doesn't seem to get lost at all in defense, at least from what I remember I have never seen him get beat bad on that side of the court.
Even Carter is trying hard, hey if Ray Allen, Pierce and even Butler last year could learn how to defend late in their careers so can Carter for about 15-20 minutes a game.
JET is also playing his best defense I have ever seen from him here.

That means that there isn't that much for our centers to clean up as there was for Tyson last year. You can tell from our def. rebound rate in which we are tied for second that there are not a lot of easy baskets against this team right now.

So whether DeShawn was or wasn't our second best defender last year is completely irrelevant. Our perimeter D as a whole is much better than last year, and therefore allowing us to survive the loss or our best defender, Tyson.

Now, the big question I have is will it continue in the playoffs? We all know that Tyson played amazing pick and roll defense in the Finals, but I was watching the OKC series during these days and he was amazing in that as well. Wood and Ian will probably not be as good, and I don't know that there is much the guards can do to compensate for that. But so far so good.

clutch#41 · 01-20-2012, 02:13 PM

lol at the pics as proof for your arguments!!

Kidd Karma · 01-20-2012, 02:57 PM

You will not stop Lebron, Wade, Durant and Kobe one on one. You have to mix it up, force them to work to get their shots up. Make their game more difficult. You hope you have a tight game headed into crunch time and by then you hope all that bumping and grinding takes it's toll and he's short on free throws or overcompensates on that game winning attempt. Whether, Stevenson is your worst defender, 2nd best defender is garbage, you throw the freaking kitchen sink at these guys if you have to. You bring Cardinal to lay on the guy for 2 minutes.

CadBane · 01-20-2012, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

You will not stop Lebron, Wade, Durant and Kobe one on one. You have to mix it up, force them to work to get their shots up. Make their game more difficult. You hope you have a tight game headed into crunch time and by then you hope all that bumping and grinding takes it's toll and he's short on free throws or overcompensates on that game winning attempt. Whether, Stevenson is your worst defender, 2nd best defender is garbage, you throw the freaking kitchen sink at these guys if you have to. You bring Cardinal to lay on the guy for 2 minutes.

Oh, you can stop Kobe one on one.

0-10 against Marion.

sefant77 · 01-20-2012, 06:34 PM

Best was Marion

Then Chandler (specially because we were able to play awesome zone with him)

Then i take Kidd/Stevenson as 3a/b

41mvp · 01-21-2012, 12:16 PM

Stevenson was third best defender.I very like his game his power and determination.I really miss this guy.

ibivibiv · 01-21-2012, 04:54 PM

Charles is on TNT for entertainment value. He makes flippant statements and honestly I think sometimes he just pulls things from the headlines and tosses them out there. I was a huge fan of Deshawn's defense and totally thought losing him was a mistake. That being said I don't think we are doomed without him. It would just have been nice given that he only got a one year deal in NJ to have kept him around. Delante is doing great and VC has flashes of the Vinsanity of old, so who knows how we'll shape up in the post season. The West is so tight again that I don't think anyone including the mighty Barkley can really say what will happen. Although since he's convinced we don't make it to the West Conf finals I would love to hear his picks.

4Dirk1Nowitzki · 01-22-2012, 06:31 AM

Mavs are giving up 88.4 points per game this year, 3rd overall in the league, it was a big deal last yr at the beginning of the year when the Mavs were in the top ten. Its clear now that the Mavs can play some serious D regardless of what Chuck says. Like many others have stated, its the offense tht is keeping the Mavs from looking like a clear favorite. They are currently being labeled as a contender for the title, but even with tht title the media has other teams ahead of them.

The loss of Chandler was a big hit we took before the season started, but Haywood is really starting to play good and Mahinmi has been quite the surprise for us. If he cuts down on those pointless fouls our defense will be even better. Haywood is just a big long body in the paint creating problems for teams trying to go in the paint and Mahinmi is just a little bit smaller than Haywood but makes up for it with athleticism and ability to score on offense.

Looking at their schedule, I predict they stretch out their current streak of holding opponents under 100 pts to 19 games minimum.