Would you do Al Harrington for Josh?

[MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs]

Golden State: They are desperate for frontcourt scoring and with the injury to Monta Ellis are desperate for any kind of scoring. They'd love to rid themselves of Al Harrington ($9.2 million this year, $10.02 million next season), who comes off the books in time for 2010. Walsh had Harrington in Indiana and though he does fit into the up-tempo style, he can be a maddening player to deal with on a daily basis. The Knicks would have to take another player to make the numbers match, which means another contract to throw on the pile. Newsday

The article is talking about the Knicks trying to acquire him, but I just thought it may be an idea for us too. Salaries are very similar. But Josh may be the better player (or is he?) Both can be a headache, thoughts?

p.s. I realize the F.O. wouldn't do it, they seem to stick by Josh regardless of what he does, but I"m just asking if you think they SHOULD do it if the opportunity was there. We need a player who won't fade in the clutch.

[horse900703]

um..I think thats good~

[jayC]

no thanks

[mac222b]

No. Maybe if they added a piece to the deal. As lazy as Josh has gotten Harrington is still a defensive downgrade. Harrington, Azubuike and a lottery protected 1st rd. pick might do it.
Or Howard, Bass and expirings for Harrington, S-Jax I would do in a heartbeat.

[AxdemxO]

Originally Posted by mac222b

No. Maybe if they added a piece to the deal. As lazy as Josh has gotten Harrington is still a defensive downgrade. Harrington, Azubuike and a lottery protected 1st rd. pick might do it.
Or Howard, Bass and expirings for Harrington, S-Jax I would do in a heartbeat.

Wow..can you say overrating JOSH...boy good luck with that

[nashtymavsfan13]

I would definitely not do this, Harrington is a chucker who plays no D.

[spreedom]

Harrington and Azubuke for Josh sounds like a good time to me. Harrington sounds a little underrated to me (at least in this thread) but I doubt we'd get a first out of it as well.

[nikeball]

I would not "do" Al Harrington...if Josh asked me to...or if anyone else did.

[DirkFTW]

LOL, nikeball beat me to it. =P

[craggmac]

Um, no.

[MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs]

Originally Posted by nikeball

I would not "do" Al Harrington...if Josh asked me to...or if anyone else did.

I laughed, rep.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to nikeball again.

Guess I gave you rep recently, owe ya one.

[ty]

Originally Posted by craggmac

Um, no.

Nice sig. Is JHo in street clothes for a reason? =X

Hope you're not a fortune teller.

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by nikeball

I would not "do" Al Harrington...if Josh asked me to...or if anyone else did.

I dunno if this changes depending on your browser, but when I'm on the forum browsing page, this is exactly what shows up for this thread: "Would you do Al Harrington"

That's it.

[bobatundi]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

I dunno if this changes depending on your browser, but when I'm on the forum browsing page, this is exactly what shows up for this thread: "Would you do Al Harrington"

That's it.

I see the same thing...I was just going to ask one of the mods to destroy this thread so I don't have to see that anymore.

[SMC0007]

I would do Al Harrington for Josh, why not he seems like a nice guy...

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

I would do Al Harrington for Josh, why not he seems like a nice guy...

I don't care how nice Josh is - there's no way I'd "do" Al Harrington for him (no matter how much he pays me!)

[SMC0007]

PFFT wow, uh no. I think we know what I meant... AL Harrington is a nice guy.

[jayC]

I would do Josh for Monta Ellis or even Andre Biedrens but not for Harrington.

[dalmations202]

I'd trade Stack and George for Harrington after Dec 15.

Then move JHo to starting SG and start:

Kidd, JHo, Harrington, Dirk, Damp
with a 2nd team of
Terry, Wright, Williams, Bass, Diop
and a bench of
JJB, Green, Singleton

RTerry and possibly Rhodes in the D-League.

[Kidd Karma]

Harrington wants out now, can't play for Nellie.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakam...or-don-nelson/

...............Two NBA sources, both close to the Warriors veteran forward, told me that Al Harrington recently informed the Warriors that he does not want to play for Don Nelson any more and is requesting to be traded as soon as possible.

(There is no suggestion, however, that Harrington will walk out from the team if he isn’t traded before the stat of the season tomorrow.)

In fact, one league source with knowledge of the situation said that Harrington’s agent, Dan Fegan, is “actively working to get (Harrington) out of there” and that a few teams already have proposed tentative deals.

The problem: President Robert Rowell has final say on the money terms (do the Warriors take back long-term money?) and total veto power in all regards, Nelson has talent veto (who do the Warriors accept back as a fair deal?) and Chris Mullin is the one taking the trade calls (what’s the actual deal?).

The timing of this may seem odd, since Nelson just named Harrington the third and final team tri-captain, alongside Stephen Jackson and Andris Biedrins..........

[Tokey41]

If Josh Howards value has dropped so low that all we can get for him is Al Harrington all I have to say is we're screwed. He needs to be a valuable trade piece, especially when we blow it up after this season.

[birdsanctuary]

Keep Josh for now... lets I want to see Carlisle work miracles! I believes in miracles!

[seelenjaeger]

Would you do ...

Josh + Stack + Bass

for

Stephen Jackson and Al?

[alby]

Kidd
Jackson
Harrington
Dirk
Damp/Diop

*drool

[FreshJive]

I think Nellie has a hard on of Nash proportions for Captain Jack. If they trade him he might quit again.

But yeah I make that trade.

[dalmations202]

Originally Posted by seelenjaeger

Would you do ...

Josh + Stack + Bass

for

Stephen Jackson and Al?

One thing about it, Carlisle would have the A-Holes he was looking for in training camp.

[MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs]

Looks like the Mavs are not going to "do" Harrington, or anybody else right now.

Cuban On Harrington-To-Mavs Talk: 'Zero. None. Nada.'
DB.com Exclusive: Mavs 'Aren't Very Interested' In Unhappy Warrior
Mike Fisher -- DB.com


It’s not that the Mavs are unaware of Al Harrington, his talents and his desire to put his glorious years in Golden State behind him. (OK, actually, for the Warriors, it was more like a glorious couple of weeks, but anyway. …) It’s that the Mavs simply “aren’t very interested in him,’’ a source tells DallasBasketball.com, denying reported suggestions that Dallas is a bidder and adding that there have been no serious conversations between the two teams.
Adds Mavs owner Mark Cuban in an email to us: “There are no trade conversations going on.’’
Is that answer specific to Harrington only?
No, Cuban informs DallasBasketball.com. “No trade conversations going on with anyone about anybody. Zero. None Nada.’’
Maybe that will quell the buzz we hear about some a Jerry Stackhouse/Brandon Bass package for Harrington, and maybe it’ll quell the tales coming out of Northern California and New York and elsewhere that the Mavs are an enthusiastic trade partner.
Dallas is “willing to go with what we’ve got for now, certainly in the short term,’’ one team exec tells us, also suggesting that the scouting department “doesn’t really like’’ the disgruntled Harrington.
Now, “not liking’’ can always be relative. Our understanding is that the Mavs at this point certainly don’t think highly enough of Harrington to forfeit Jason Terry in an exchange. While they are absolutely willing to give up Stackhouse, they view Bass as a commodity. So if the Warriors are going to garage-sale the guy. …
But as San Jose writer Tim Kawakami points out, the 6-9 Harrington, “as a combo-forward with 3-point range and an OK contract is a guy a lot of teams like.
Adds Tim: “I’ve been told for a long time that as soon as Harrington officially is shopped there will be teams lining up to talk to the Warriors.’’
Possibly.
But consider the first reported (maybe) trade offer, at ESPN.com: The Knicks “may’’ have offered Eddy Curry. Blecch. Really?
Let us suggest that if Harrington’s value is more comparable to what the Knicks think (Harrington = Curry) than to what the respected Kawakami thinks (“Harrington = “A guy a lot of teams like’’) … then maybe the Mavs are right in not being one of those teams.
ESPN.com suggests that “two Western Conference teams’’ are in the bidding, and Kawakami speculates that those two teams are the Clippers and the Mavs.
We’re told Tim is guessing wrong on one of those. We’re told that by one source we will not ID here, and we’re told it quite firmly by Mark Cuban himself.
There are a number of other factors at play here – and NONE of them have anything to do with rivals Cuban and Don Nelson being among the point men for their respective teams. We’ve tried to illustrate this before, and we’re happy to do it again: There are some executives, coaches and staffers in every organization who dislike some other executives, coaches and staffers in other organizations. If there is a conflict between, say a Cuban and a Nellie – but it make sense for the two teams to talk – they still TALK.
Maybe Cuban and Nellie don’t. But the TEAMS STILL DO.
You think Nellie wouldn’t call Keith Grant? You think Paul Westphal can’t call Nellie? You think Dallas assistants like Mario Elle can’t talk with Warriors assistants like Larry Riley and Sidney Moncrief (both ex-Mavs assistants?) And oh yeah. … you think Donnie can’t call Dad? Ridiculous, as it the notion that Cuban and Nellie “wouldn’t want to help each other.’’ Um. … exactly which team in the West WOULD Cuban want to help? This isn’t charity, kids; this is trade talk, in theory the discussion about a fair swap.
Also. … why is Dallas always mentioned in any trade-related gossip? Peter Vecsey’s Sunday effort is typical: His headline and story screams out mentions of Jason Kidd and Mark Cuban. … but the actual red meat of the column includes nothing of Mavs-related substance.
The factors that are at play in making a Harrington-to-Dallas deal unlikely:
*The Mavs don’t see themselves as being in desperate need for a wing (again, as the source hints, at least not at this early stage). There is a commitment to letting Josh Howard take his rightful spot on the pecking order, and there is a commitment to the development of the LIBBs, Antoine Wright, Gerald Green and Shawne Williams. What Green did in particular in Game 2 in Minny feeds that’s commitment. (Don’t misinterpret this; nobody is saying a Shawne is superior to an Al. The Mavs are simply saying they believe their answers on the wing will come from a gaggle of players headed by Josh and Bass, and supported by at least one of the other kids.)
*The Mavs believe Brandon Bass is a commodity with untapped potential. Would they have traded him for a difference-making All-Star? Yes, which is why he was pitched to Sacto in the summer during the Artest talks. Would they make him a throw-in for a player in Harrington (career averages around 14 points and six rebounds per) who is as much a knucklehead as he is a talent?
They say no.
*This Harrington trade talk has been going on for quite some time. Nellie says he discussed it with the player over the summer. It’s out there in the open now that Harrington has demanded one. …
Or has he?
One day after going public with his demand, he said this:
“I love the Warriors. Since I got here I love this team.’’
Now, we’ll ignore syntax and verb conjugation and the like and just get to the point: In the trade-demand interview, Al talked almost wistfully about wanting to be “one of Nellie’s dudes.’’
“If you're not one of his dudes,’’ Harrington said, “you ain't never going to be one of his dudes.’’
We would suggest that much more than needing a trade, this 27-year-old kid needs a hug.
*Our Mavs source on this recited off the top of his head Harrington’s stat line in the Warriors’ opener: “What, 13 points, seven rebounds and 42 minutes, right?’’ (By the way, in Golden State’s second game, Al was much better and went off for 26/11.) We took the recitation to mean a couple of things: One, Dallas obviously has kept an eye on the guy. But two, and more importantly, what the source was trying to say is that Don Nelson likes Harrington and needs Harrington, no matter how much the player wants out, no matter how the player feels unwanted.
And indeed, here’s Nellie’s quote on the subject:
“I thought he had a pretty good year (last season). I had no complaints about his play. … “Sure, yeah, (the Warriors will look at a deal) if there's a player that makes sense. (But) you could say that about anybody on the team, really. We look at trades. That's part of our business -- trades. … Al's a good player. If we trade Al, we need a good player.’’
Nellie, do you want Harrington on the team? “Yeah,’’ he said. “I like Al.’’
And that’s not something the Mavs can really say.

[craggmac]

Originally Posted by MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs

Looks like the Mavs are not going to "do" Harrington, or anybody else right now.

Well.... don't get me wrong, I like our new-look team just as much as the next guy but, I'm not so sure that I would be so hell bent on having No trade conversations going on with anyone about anybody. Zero. None Nada.

There are some good players out there that are about to be on the block man. I still haven't jumped all the way off the Shawn Marion bandwagon. Still not convinced that he's not a better option for us than J-Ho.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by craggmac

I still haven't jumped all the way off the Shawn Marion bandwagon. Still not convinced that he's not a better option for us than J-Ho.

The thought of Dirk/Marion/Kidd still gives me a happy pants too...

[MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs]

Originally Posted by craggmac

Well.... don't get me wrong, I like our new-look team just as much as the next guy but, I'm not so sure that I would be so hell bent on having No trade conversations going on with anyone about anybody. Zero. None Nada.

There are some good players out there that are about to be on the block man. I still haven't jumped all the way off the Shawn Marion bandwagon. Still not convinced that he's not a better option for us than J-Ho.

Yeah I agree, I'm just the messenger not saying I agree with what Cuban said. I think this team needs to make a trade. As currently constructed I don't think this is a NBA Championship team.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by Underdog

The thought of Dirk/Marion/Kidd still gives me a happy pants too...

Now I can't say "b0ner" - REALLY???

People say it on TV all the time - I didn't know we were G-rated around here all of a sudden...

[SMC0007]

I like the thought of Jkidd/Jho/Harrington/Dirk/DAmp better. Send some Bud light & chocolates over to Nellie along with stack/jet/DG, see what happens.

[MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Now I can't say "b0ner" - REALLY???

People say it on TV all the time - I didn't know we were G-rated around here all of a sudden...

You got censored? LOL.

[BGMaverick9]

I dunno how you can really take Cuban at his word...any owner or GM for that matter when it comes to personnel on your roster.