Kidd Trade: Like it or not? - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Pongo · 02-13-2008, 06:45 PM

Just wanted to do a little poll... to see how the DM.com reacts to the trade.

Got to keep it simple, only two options:
I like it
and
I don't like it.

jthig32 · 02-13-2008, 06:49 PM

Where is the option for "Hate it"?

Jack.Kerr · 02-13-2008, 06:49 PM

They have to win a championship this year in order for it to be a net gain.

They won't, so it's not.

Pongo · 02-13-2008, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Where is the option for "Hate it"?

sorry, my fault

Right I now DO hate the trade, i can tell you that.

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sp3nc3r13 · 02-13-2008, 06:53 PM

I'm so excited to see Jkidd in a mavs uniform again...he is going to springboard a new type of offense for Dirk and JHO that devin or jet could never generate for him. We still have the Jet/Dirk pick and roll to go on top with an even scarier JKIDD/Dirk pick and roll. I'm lovin it. I would like for Jkidd to take alot less shots than he did in NJ from the outside. We have good outside shooters around him here to the point where I don't think it's a problem.

Thumbs up, good trade!

P.S: Miss you Diop, you were the man

MavsFanFinley · 02-13-2008, 07:00 PM

I just got the news. Every freakin' time I go out of town.

I think Kidd will help but I don't like how much we had to give up. Especially Harris and Diop. Stackhouse will be back after a month but we'll miss him depth wise during that time.

Not to mention we had to throw in cash and two 1st round picks. Damn.

Nash13 · 02-13-2008, 07:03 PM

I think when Dallas goes on a long streak and people look at the box scores and see a bunch of 10-14 assist by Kidd, people will like it.

DirkFTW · 02-13-2008, 07:11 PM

Right now, I like it more than I dislike it. I am also including my curiosity as to how the team looks with Kidd as a "like."

jthig32 · 02-13-2008, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Nash13

I think when Dallas goes on a long streak and people look at the box scores and see a bunch of 10-14 assist by Kidd, people will like it.

I think unless the offense changes dramatically, double digit assist nights from Kidd will be few and far between.

horse900703 · 02-13-2008, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Where is the option for "Hate it"?

HAHA, GOOD ONE

horse900703 · 02-13-2008, 07:13 PM

I DONT LIKE IT!!!!!

LonghornDub · 02-13-2008, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

I think unless the offense changes dramatically, double digit assist nights from Kidd will be few and far between.

Thig I will mail you a handle of your favorite liquor if the Mavs offense doesn't look substantially different with Kidd running the point.

jthig32 · 02-13-2008, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ProdigyDub

Thig I will mail you a handle of your favorite liquor if the Mavs offense doesn't look substantially different with Kidd running the point.

Substantially different or substantially better? Because we were pretty damn good in offensive efficiency with our team from yesterday.

endrity · 02-13-2008, 07:22 PM

Well he better rack up those assists after what we are giving up for the mf....
I still can't believe Devin is not here anymore. I have spent the last hour watching highligts of the Spurs 06 series and the countless times he just blew by Duncan. ehhhhh......

mavsfan1000 · 02-13-2008, 07:29 PM

Horrible trade. I feel sick to my stomach.

chumdawg · 02-13-2008, 07:35 PM

Like it? I freakin' LOVE it!!

Pongo · 02-13-2008, 07:38 PM

ok, early trends from tonight's poll:
#1: DM.com is fairly split up about the Kidd trade
#2: Obama will win the nomination.

LonghornDub · 02-13-2008, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Substantially different or substantially better? Because we were pretty damn good in offensive efficiency with our team from yesterday.

It's hard to improve much in the regular season over what we had, but this offense will be substantially different, and eventually better once we reach the playoffs.

Stranger · 02-13-2008, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MavsFanFinley

Not to mention we had to throw in cash and two 1st round picks. Damn.

Yeah, the picks are completely ridiculous.

mavsfan1000 · 02-13-2008, 07:38 PM

Not that I'm saying Harris is better than Kidd but his plus/minus stats are higher up slightly. Kidd is only at plus 4.4!

Dor · 02-13-2008, 07:38 PM

Right now I do not like how much we gave up and I really like Harris.
Part of me is really wanting to see how Kidd does effect Howard and Dirk so I am trying to stay optimistic.

horse900703 · 02-13-2008, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Dor

Right now I do not like how much we gave up and I really like Harris.
Part of me is really wanting to see how Kidd does effect Howard and Dirk so I am trying to stay optimistic.

I agree.

Hitman · 02-13-2008, 07:43 PM

I don't like it. Very, very risky and the first round picks+ cash is insane.

I would have kept the picks and rolled the dice with Devin and Diop this year, and i am a huge fan of Jason Kidd. huge. but this is just too much. I heard it announced on the radio and they said it was for 'Jerry Stackhouse" and 3 others and I thought it was scrubs like Ager and JJ at the end of the bench.

But this trade is just bad.

mavsjunkie · 02-13-2008, 07:44 PM

I have to get over the fact that Harris is young and explosive, and his shot is getting better but may be injury prone.

Also, we need to get bigger, I think we've gotten smaller by losing Diop.

OTH, Kidd is a star on the court, and he single handedly propelled that USA team to untouchable status this past summer.

I guess I like it.

ballin_boi · 02-13-2008, 07:50 PM

I've lost faith in AJ, Cubes and management. After LA got Gasol for crap, and PHX got fair value for Marion, and then we pull something like this...

It's a sad day to be me...

tsar · 02-13-2008, 07:52 PM

Kidd will hurt his knee(s) two weeks after being here, we barely make the playoffs, get knocked out in the first round and get stuck in a deep shit hole... I love this trade so much, I'm absolutely giddy!

mavsfan1000 · 02-13-2008, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ballin_boi

I've lost faith in AJ, Cubes and management. After LA got Gasol for crap, and PHX got fair value for Marion, and then we pull something like this...

It's a sad day to be me...

Exactly how I feel. What do I do now? Torture myself in rooting for a wife beating point guard and giving up my favorite Mav in Harris? I have the feeling the 90's mavs will be here in a few years.

Nash13 · 02-13-2008, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

Substantially different or substantially better? Because we were pretty damn good in offensive efficiency with our team from yesterday.

Both Thig. I think you can pretty much kiss the days of Howard dribbling the ball around goodbye. I see more effective pick and rolls. I see Dallas' fg% go up, as well as assist. I see the amount of bad shots going way down as well.

spreedom · 02-13-2008, 07:56 PM

I like it inasmuch that J-Kidd is clearly desperate for another go at the championship, not to mention the fact that we're finally going to get some insanely consistent play at the point guard for a change. I really feel like our window with the current roster is 3 years tops, so having a triple double machine at the point during that time can't be a bad thing.

That's the perspective I'm going to look at it from until it's proven that Jason isn't going to work. Until that time, I'll assume that he's going to make our offense a heck of a lot better at the very least.

Dr.Zoidberg · 02-13-2008, 07:59 PM

At first I want to say that I don´t understand that we added picks and cash, because I think we already give up enough for Kidd. Here is whom we give up in this trade:

Harris: quickness and defense (will be a great point guard in the future)
Diop: nice defense, shot blocker and rebounder but rarely used by Avery
George: rarely played under Avery and therefore already demanded a trade
Stack: probably will be back in Mavs uniform after 30 days
Ager: who cares
Picks and cash

So I voted for "Like it"

I like Devin a lot and don´t like it that he has to go in this trade either. He will have a great future I think and already is one of the best defensive point guards. But first and foremost the purpose of a point guard is to create offense! And here is Kidd a major upgrade to Devin. Devin is much quicker at this point and has better defense, but Kidd has a way better court vision and passing ability and that is the most important at this position.

At three point shooting they are equal and if Kidd plays together with such good shooters as Dirk, Terry and Josh, his FGQ will also go up in my opinion. If we now could get Miller as (tall) shooting guard maybe for KVH here too, the only hole will be a backup center which we probably could get for the remaining mid level exception. So I think this trade was not that bad as it may seem at first glance.

Dirk is not getting any younger, so the future is now!

SkullLeader · 02-13-2008, 08:01 PM

SAD. I don't have a date for Valentine's and now this? Oh well, at least we get Jason Kidd.

DirkFTW · 02-13-2008, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by spreedom

I like it inasmuch that J-Kidd is clearly desperate for another go at the championship, not to mention the fact that we're finally going to get some insanely consistent play at the point guard for a change. I really feel like our window with the current roster is 3 years tops, so having a triple double machine at the point during that time can't be a bad thing.

That's the perspective I'm going to look at it from until it's proven that Jason isn't going to work. Until that time, I'll assume that he's going to make our offense a heck of a lot better at the very least.

I happy with a double-double machine. The rebounds are icing.

ShaggyDirk · 02-13-2008, 08:53 PM

Love it. There is nothing people should be complaining about considering this boards antics over the past month. A bunch of whiny little b's.

FINtastic · 02-13-2008, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ShaggyDirk

Love it. There is nothing people should be complaining about considering this boards antics over the past month. A bunch of whiny little b's.

Exactly. I don't understand why so many on this board are complaining. This is the same board yesterday that said this team HAD to make a trade and shake things up, and that this team was absolutely doomed. Well, we made a trade. What did you think we were going to get a Pau Gasol type trade? Those trades don't grow on trees, you know.

tsar · 02-13-2008, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by FINtastic

Exactly. I don't understand why so many on this board are complaining. This is the same board yesterday that said this team HAD to make a trade and shake things up, and that this team was absolutely doomed. Well, we made a trade. What did you think we were going to get a Pau Gasol type trade? Those trades don't grow on trees, you know.

Are you kidding? Nobody was talking about trading away Devin Harris. Seriously look around and ask yourself how is trading 1/4 of our team for an aging PG with knee problems going to help us? People were talking about picking up players like Mike Miller or Maggette not trading Harris... I seriously think this deal is all BS and ESPN writers were trying to stir something up, and when nothing came up they had to find a way to "dump" the deal.

Underdog · 02-13-2008, 09:25 PM

Is there a third option: "don't have a clue what the deal IS"????

Janett_Reno · 02-13-2008, 09:38 PM

I don't like it. We needed a back up pg, to back up Harris. We didn't need more 40 year old players. If we win a title this year, then maybe it was worth it but Kidd doesn't have long left. Can Kidd play half court and remember, we do not have Jefferson and Carter as they play the complete opposite of Dirk. Maybe we are going to change Avery to Don Nelson and start playing Gs and Phx style but i thought Harris was good in that style also.

Allen, Dirk and Bass at center, with Dampier? Again i do not like that. The Nets come our smelling like a rose. Harris will be good with Jefferson and Carter. Faz will be comming up fast for us.

The more i look at this, the Nets made out like a bandit. We got robbed. No i don't like this, i hate it. How many more 40 year old players do we need? People complain night and day because Terry is our back up pg and now guess who your back up pg is? Terry. Guess who your great shooting guard is now? Eddie the great Jones. Guess who our centers are now backing up what we have? Bass, Allen and Dirk. Plus we lose Diop. Now if Dampier and Kidd get hurt, we are sunk.

We need more paint points? You lose Harris and you will get less paint points. Carter and Jefferson are not on this team and those two guys are track stars and dunk champions. We just lost our track star in Harris. Maybe i am wrong and maybe now we will win a title but i see us being worse. I hope i am wrong.

cinemablend · 02-13-2008, 10:02 PM

Don't like it.

The Mavs are still a team of very poor jumpshooters... and now they've traded away their only penetrator. So Kidd can run around and dish the ball to a bunch of guys who stand outside the arc and miss 3 point shots.

Great.

They NEEDED to make a trade, but not for a point guard, and certainly not one they're giving up this much for.

FINtastic · 02-13-2008, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by tsar

Are you kidding? Nobody was talking about trading away Devin Harris. Seriously look around and ask yourself how is trading 1/4 of our team for an aging PG with knee problems going to help us? People were talking about picking up players like Mike Miller or Maggette not trading Harris... I seriously think this deal is all BS and ESPN writers were trying to stir something up, and when nothing came up they had to find a way to "dump" the deal.

You do realize how few tradeable assets the Mavs have besides Devin Harris, don't you? I mean if we could really just pluck a player like Mike Miller out of thin air, don't you think the Mavs would have done it by now?

Welcome to the reality of the trading world. You have to give something if you want to get something. Sure the Lakers got Pau Gasol for nothing, but they are the exception, not the rule. For the most part, you aren't going to make a trade in the NBA without giving up a good piece. And trust me, the Mavs have very few tradeable assets on this team other than Devin Harris. Yeah this Pau Gasol trade has gotten everyone's hopes up about using expiring contracts only, but I seriously doubt we see another trade like that come along in a while.

mavsfan1000 · 02-13-2008, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by FINtastic

You do realize how few tradeable assets the Mavs have besides Devin Harris, don't you? I mean if we could really just pluck a player like Mike Miller out of thin air, don't you think the Mavs would have done it by now?

Welcome to the reality of the trading world. You have to give something if you want to get something. Sure the Lakers got Pau Gasol for nothing, but they are the exception, not the rule. For the most part, you aren't going to make a trade in the NBA without giving up a good piece. And trust me, the Mavs have very few tradeable assets on this team other than Devin Harris. Yeah this Pau Gasol trade has gotten everyone's hopes up about using expiring contracts only, but I seriously doubt we see another trade like that come along in a while.

Yes and I think we can get more for Harris as this trade doesn't help Dallas this late in Kidd's career. I see Kidd as almost untradeable due to his age and his salary but I guess there is one dumb GM that will do something like this.