Avery wanted Harris over Kidd - Interview Boston Globe - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

vashjan · 10-20-2008, 05:34 PM

Read the following article..

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketb...piness/?page=1

Rick41 · 10-20-2008, 05:37 PM

Why are people still interviewing him?

BGMaverick9 · 10-20-2008, 05:45 PM

"[The firing] was tough, but it was necessary. In terms of direction, we weren't going to be on the same page."

translation
"The team wanted to win but I wanted to feed my ego and make my dictatorship stronger. Everybody say, MAVERICKS!"

sike · 10-20-2008, 05:55 PM

he is a pretty disillusioned fellow...

Caseman · 10-20-2008, 06:01 PM

Who cares. He'll be back-peddling when the Mavericks win the Championship with Kidd.

Go Mavericks!

foglemann · 10-20-2008, 06:05 PM

He made his bed when he kept pulling Devin around by the short leash. If he really wanted him, why didn't he treat him as a starting PG instead of some part time spare.

Hind sight is always 20/20...

Bayliss · 10-20-2008, 06:14 PM

Avery is a lying piece of crap. He is trying to cover his own @ss so that someone in the future will hire his sorry @ss.

BGMaverick9 · 10-20-2008, 06:32 PM

I can't see his style working in the West so when you look East I see 2-3 places that might work:
Washington, Toronto, Atlanta.

sike · 10-20-2008, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

I can't see his style working in the West so when you look East I see 2-3 places that might work:
Washington, Toronto, Atlanta.

Atlanta would turn on him so fast it would make his little head spin...

BGMaverick9 · 10-20-2008, 06:39 PM

I think I'd rank the teams as I had them in order of possibility, highest to weakest.

fluid.forty.one · 10-20-2008, 10:35 PM

Auck Fvery

Dirkadirkastan · 10-20-2008, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

I can't see his style working in the West so when you look East I see 2-3 places that might work:
Washington, Toronto, Atlanta.

Three up-tempo teams he could slow down with his molasses philosophy, a.k.a. "the system"?

BGMaverick9 · 10-20-2008, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

Three up-tempo teams he could slow down with his molasses philosophy, a.k.a. "the system"?

Pretty much. Can a coach be a coach killer?

nowhereman · 10-20-2008, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

Auck Fvery

seems forced... but... agreed.

Thomas86 · 10-20-2008, 11:43 PM

Avery is just trying to save face so he can get another NBA coaching job...as I remember Avery was the main person pushing for the Kidd trade but yet people wonna bash Cuban when the only thing Cuban did was sign off on it.

fluid.forty.one · 10-20-2008, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by nowhereman

seems forced... but... agreed.

trust me man.. that was about as forced as an elderly bowel movement.

Flacolaco · 10-20-2008, 11:58 PM

If that's true that he wanted Harris over Kidd, let me say the following:

I TOLD YOU SO

ty · 10-21-2008, 12:24 AM

This is NEW news?!?!

LonghornDub · 10-21-2008, 12:46 AM

Allow me to put this in rather elegant terms: Avery is the gay.

MavsX · 10-21-2008, 06:37 AM

NBA sources say Johnson would have been OK with Mavs star Dirk Nowitzki being dealt to the Lakers for Kobe Bryant or the Timberwolves for Kevin Garnett,

this quote makes me want to find Avery and kick him in the nuts

sike · 10-21-2008, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MavsX

NBA sources say Johnson would have been OK with Mavs star Dirk Nowitzki being dealt to the Lakers for Kobe Bryant or the Timberwolves for Kevin Garnett

I'd probably have been on board with either as well...

Flacolaco · 10-21-2008, 09:27 AM

I'm sure he's lying, you guys...about all of it.

Rick41 · 10-21-2008, 09:30 AM

In other news guys, the sun came up this morning...

Dirkenstien · 10-21-2008, 09:35 AM

Well he sure did treat Harris like crap when he did have him. I think he just wanted a personal whipping boy and he obviously couldn't get away with that with Kidd.

Murphy3 · 10-21-2008, 09:36 AM

Donnie said on theticket that Avery had veto power...that he wasn't against the trade of Harris for Kidd. Avery just has a bit of revisionist history in my opinion. One of them is lying. Personally, I believe Donnie alot sooner than I'd believe AJ.

SMC0007 · 10-21-2008, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

Avery is a lying piece of crap. He is trying to cover his own @ss so that someone in the future will hire his sorry @ss.

I don't see how lying about that is helping him at all. It may be true that he's lying but how does it save face for his future? Unless he wants to coach the Nets

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Murphy3 · 10-21-2008, 09:54 AM

It saves face because it puts all of the blame on the decision on Donnie and Cuban. It's Avery's contention that things were going along just fine when the trade was made... when Harris was ripped away from him against AJ's will...

SMC0007 · 10-21-2008, 10:00 AM

But it obviously wasn't going well which was why a trade was made. Majority of people think the trade was a good trade, so it would benifit him to STFU imo. Having a HOF PG with the talent we already have here that is aging helps when trying to win now.

Murphy3 · 10-21-2008, 10:04 AM

Haven't you heard AJ speak? He's repeatedly inflated Harris' numbers and talked about how good things were before the trade and how it all went down hilll afterwards. He's suffering from revisionist history. He's trying to move any blame off of him and on to the decision to make the trade... which, of course, he's claiming that he wasn't on board with..

By doing so, in his mind, he wipes his hands clean of any of the failure.

Underdog · 10-21-2008, 10:18 AM

dirno2000 · 10-21-2008, 11:02 AM

One thing we've learned since the first round of this debate is that by the time the trade was made all the parties involved saw the writing on the wall. Half the team wanted out so Donnie and Cuban had a pretty good idea that they'd be looking for a new coach soon and Avery was aware that his voice wasn't being heard. Given that background I have a hard time believing that there were three equal votes in the Mavs war room.

I've said before that I think Donnie is a straight shooter and I doubt he'd flat out lie. I interpret his comments to mean that Avery wasn't jumping up and down on the table saying that he refused to coach Jason Kidd. Avery, knowing that his days were numbered, probably agreed with the thought that this was Cuban's team and if he wants to make a move I'll coach whoever is here. I don't believe that he was a stong advocate for the deal, especially after Diop was included. I say this based on his post trade comments which were pretty tempered for a coach being handed a hall of fam PG, and the fact that he didn't bend over backwards to make sure that Kidd fit in.

I still believe that the trade was made because Dirk wanted to play with a true PG again.

If he is lying I doubt it has anythign to do with getting another coaching job. He's not a GM so being associated with the trade won't hurt him one bit.

Murphy3 · 10-21-2008, 11:15 AM

That's not how AJ sees it at all. Nellie has already said that AJ had the opportunity to voice his opinion on the trade and that he was on board with the deal. AJ wants everyone to believe that everything was good with him and the team before the move was made. That is why he went to such great lengths to speak so highly of Devin in interviews in the past. He's trying to show that management made a poor decision in pulling the rug out from under him by moving Devin.. that everything was ok with the team before that happened... He believes that if he can show how all was ok before the trade and that if anything fell apart from that point on, it surely wasn't HIS fault.

MavsX · 10-21-2008, 11:32 AM

i still want to kick him in the nads though

Rick41 · 10-21-2008, 11:34 AM

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i still want to kick him in the nads though

but, he has no nads?

SMC0007 · 10-21-2008, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

That's not how AJ sees it at all. Nellie has already said that AJ had the opportunity to voice his opinion on the trade and that he was on board with the deal. AJ wants everyone to believe that everything was good with him and the team before the move was made. That is why he went to such great lengths to speak so highly of Devin in interviews in the past. He's trying to show that management made a poor decision in pulling the rug out from under him by moving Devin.. that everything was ok with the team before that happened... He believes that if he can show how all was ok before the trade and that if anything fell apart from that point on, it surely wasn't HIS fault.

There's no way he can show that all was ok. Not when Dirk, JHO, JKIdd have basically said he lost the players, and Devin said he feels like the chains are off him and he can be more creative out on the floor with his new team. With all of these guys cutting him off at the pass, the smart move would be for him to STFU... If he wants to get another job and it's likely he does even before this season is over.

Regardless of what has happened it he will get another job because of his record, it's just a matter of time before epic fail happens for a bottom feeder team, and he gets a call. Im just annoyed that he was hired by ESPN to be an analist.

I don't wanna hear WTF he has to say. "That shyytzz dumb"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ7dUlRUJIM

Mavs Maniac · 10-21-2008, 11:46 AM

I just wish we could have fired Avery BEFORE we made the trade!! That way we could have seen what Devin Harris' potential really was. I think everyone will agree that Avery handcuffed Devin Harris just like he handcuffed Kidd last year. I'm not saying that Kidd isn't a great player, just that I would like to have seen how far Harris could go and I wouldn't mind those two first round draft picks back either!

dude1394 · 10-21-2008, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

But it obviously wasn't going well which was why a trade was made. Majority of people think the trade was a good trade, so it would benifit him to STFU imo. Having a HOF PG with the talent we already have here that is aging helps when trying to win now.

Not according to hollinger I think. He's all up on devin being the difference maker.

dude1394 · 10-21-2008, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavs Maniac

I just wish we could have fired Avery BEFORE we made the trade!! That way we could have seen what Devin Harris' potential really was. I think everyone will agree that Avery handcuffed Devin Harris just like he handcuffed Kidd last year. I'm not saying that Kidd isn't a great player, just that I would like to have seen how far Harris could go and I wouldn't mind those two first round draft picks back either!

Hear hear...It infuriates me that cuban made that trade (not that I don't like kidd) because with him and donnie knowing that avery was on the outs, they seemed to be making it FOR him instead of for the player.

Now we may find out that we are all full of it and jkidd does wonderous things here, certainly there is one german that is really happy for sure.

dude1394 · 10-21-2008, 03:25 PM

They are a-cooking over at db.com...Flat out assertions from Richie Witt and Marc Stein that avery is lying his arse off.

http://dallasbasketballdotcom.yuku.com/topic/19554

AVERY LIED!!

SMC0007 · 10-21-2008, 03:49 PM

I can't click it, i refuse to go to the dark side.