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Old 11-14-2020, 04:32 PM   #1
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But opposing teams expect Gallinari to end up on a contender if the Thunder trade Paul. Per sources, some with the Mavericks have interest in pursuing Gallinari. The Mavs reportedly also want to conserve cap space for the summer of 2021. So the franchise would have to weigh that factor in any offers it makes to Gallinari. – via SportsNet New York
Galli wants an extension, so that's likely a no-go.
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I'm still confused as to why people think having cap room for Giannis is a concern. Like THJ expiring is a deal breaker. Buck aren't letting him walk. Levine...whoever, KP, anyone but Luka would be in play for Giannis.
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Speaking of Giannis-

"Aftonbladet: So your plan is to stay in Milwaukee next year and then maybe sign an extension?

Giannis: "I do not know what the plan is. It depends on what decisions they make. If they make the right decision, I'll be there for many years. If they do not, we'll see. The NBA is business and we take it day by day. Hopefully we can succeed together."

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/g...ons-they-make/

Not exactly news, but can we at least officially put the "Giannis will never leave Milwaukee" narrative to rest? He's making it very clear whether he leaves or stays depends on his confidence in their front office.
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Not exactly news, but can we at least officially put the "Giannis will never leave Milwaukee" narrative to rest? He's making it very clear whether he leaves or stays depends on his confidence in their front office.
Unfortunately this will be the story for Luka soon enough. The Mavs can't waste the early part of his career like they did with Dirk
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Unfortunately this will be the story for Luka soon enough. The Mavs can't waste the early part of his career like they did with Dirk
I'm confident that he'll sign at least one contract extension before he actually considers going anywhere else. That gives us what, five years? If the Mavs haven't built a contender around him by the seventh year of his career, then they deserve to lose him.
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I'm confident that he'll sign at least one contract extension before he actually considers going anywhere else. That gives us what, five years? If the Mavs haven't built a contender around him by the seventh year of his career, then they deserve to lose him.
I'm sure that he'll sign the first extension. Almost everyone does (except Noel and look at that disaster)

I hope the Mavs make the right moves starting this year. We can't have a "skip" year waiting on Giannis
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I'm sure that he'll sign the first extension. Almost everyone does (except Noel and look at that disaster)

I hope the Mavs make the right moves starting this year. We can't have a "skip" year waiting on Giannis
I don't know that it's a "skip" year. I think simply drafting players ourselves rather than trading our picks is actually the best basketball move.

I just think that there just aren't any real good moves available. As I said earlier, the Mavs just don't have the assets to trade for a "third star" unless you consider Oladipo a "star" and at this point, I don't.

Even if it's not Giannis (and I'm not delusional. It probably won't be Giannis), 2021 just seems like a much better opportunity to add a major upgrade to the roster. Aside from not having the assets for a big trade, throw in the extraordinary circumstances of the shortened offseason and every team being terrified of the luxury tax etc... I just don't see us getting good value in return for trading our picks plus our role players.
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I'm confident that he'll sign at least one contract extension before he actually considers going anywhere else. That gives us what, five years? If the Mavs haven't built a contender around him by the seventh year of his career, then they deserve to lose him.
So far, I don’t think a single player has ever turned down a rookie max extension. You’re pretty much guaranteed 8 years.
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So far, I don’t think a single player has ever turned down a rookie max extension. You’re pretty much guaranteed 8 years.
I bet Porzingis would have turned down a Knicks offer. That relationship was broken
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Unfortunately this will be the story for Luka soon enough. The Mavs can't waste the early part of his career like they did with Dirk
I don't think they wasted Dirk's career early. Dirk had to become Dirk and he was not that early on. I'd say they wasted the end of his prime for sure.
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Speaking of Giannis-

"Aftonbladet: So your plan is to stay in Milwaukee next year and then maybe sign an extension?

Giannis: "I do not know what the plan is. It depends on what decisions they make. If they make the right decision, I'll be there for many years. If they do not, we'll see. The NBA is business and we take it day by day. Hopefully we can succeed together."

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/g...ons-they-make/

Not exactly news, but can we at least officially put the "Giannis will never leave Milwaukee" narrative to rest? He's making it very clear whether he leaves or stays depends on his confidence in their front office.
He's basically tellingtge Buck " make necessary moves to help so I can stay. If you botch building around me then I'm out.
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I am ready to make my prediction. Some of you won't like this, but I feel like it's going to happen, and I want the credit if it does (lol).

I think that Chris Paul trade happens, and I think the Mavs' role in that deal will be to take on Ricky Rubio. They might also be angling for a pick swap (#10 for #18), in which case I believe the target would be either Vassell or SBey, but I'm pretty skeptical that OKC makes the deal without getting #10.

So, DFS/Wright outgoing, with Rubio coming in. OUTSIDE chance of #10 coming in with #18 (and probably #31) going out.

Before anyone freaks out about "how do Luka and Rubio play together" let me just say:

Rubio is still an EXCELLENT on-ball defender. His lineups with Booker last year were very positive in +/-, and actually, Rubio, himself was #7 in the league in on/off net rating. He was a plus in both offensive and defensive on/off. He's one of the most underrated players in the league, actually. His catch and shoot numbers from distance are much better than you think. He's improving as an off-ball shooter as he ages, much like Jason Kidd did.

I think the Mavs want a player to not only be a secondary playmaker (which he is MORE than qualified to be) but also play a little PG. If you can remember how Kidd would bring the ball up, survey the defense, get the team into the right set and then let JET actually run the play, you'll know what I mean. Even just bringing the ball up 20 times a game and allowing Luka to catch the ball with a live dribble at the right spot for the action to start would take A LOT of pressure off of Luka. During most possessions, Rubio will be a ball mover, secondary playmaker and corner catch and shoot guy. And, I believe he'll be damn good at it.

DFS would be a huge loss, but imo, once you get over the shock and wrap your head around it, you'll come to the conclusion that Rubio is a much, much better player. Worth it, I think.

I also think they follow this up by signing Paul Milsap for 2 years at the MLE. There has been a rumor out there about him, but it didn't make sense to sigh him for more than one year, and it doesn't make sense that he'd sign here on a one year deal. He'll get better offers. But, if you imagine Rubio here, the two year deal makes more sense because they'd both expire in '22. Or, they could both be used as 1-year, expiring trade chips next summer if/when the Mavs find a sign-and-trade option they like with one of those free agents. Milsap was #4 in the NBA last year in net on/off rating, btw. He's still a difference maker, and would fit next to KP pretty damn well.

Boom. That's two edgy, veteran winners. That's a hell of an off-season and a chance to get out of the first round. The team would have a chance to be much better on both sides of the court.

The only downside to all of this, imo, is that it leaves them with Jackson being the only true SF option on the team. That's obviously not ideal. If you're an optimist and you think they'll get #10, there will definitely be a plug and play guy there. Hopefully Vassell, but SBey, at least. If not, maybe they draft Josh Green (who I'm not super high on) or Nesmith at #18? Or, maybe SBey even falls that far (probably not).

Hell, they might even be able to swap THJ in a separate deal for a forward. Not sure they'd want to, but it's a possibility.

Flame away, but I promise you I have an answer for everything. I've been fixated on this option for like 48 straight hours. Of all the (realistic) things that have been leaked, this is the scenario that makes the most sense to me, and I think it's telling that they have NOT allowed themselves to be linked publicly to Rubio. That seems very Mavs-esque.

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I am ready to make my prediction. Some of you won't like this, but I feel like it's going to happen, and I want the credit if it does (lol).

I think that Chris Paul trade happens, and I think the Mavs' role in that deal will be to take on Ricky Rubio. They might also be angling for a pick swap (#10 for #18), in which case I believe the target would be either Vassell or SBey, but I'm pretty skeptical that OKC makes the deal without getting #10.

So, DFS/Wright outgoing, with Rubio coming in. OUTSIDE chance of #10 coming in with #18 (and probably #31) going out.

Before anyone freaks out about "how do Luka and Rubio play together" let me just say:

Rubio is still an EXCELLENT on-ball defender. His lineups with Booker last year were very positive in +/-, and actually, Rubio, himself was #7 in the league in on/off net rating. He was a plus in both offensive and defensive on/off. He's one of the most underrated players in the league, actually. His catch and shoot numbers from distance are much better than you think. He's improving as an off-ball shooter as he ages, much like Jason Kidd did.

I think the Mavs want a player to not only be a secondary playmaker (which he is MORE than qualified to be) but also play a little PG. If you can remember how Kidd would bring the ball up, survey the defense, get the team into the right set and then let JET actually run the play, you'll know what I mean. Even just bringing the ball up 20 times a game and allowing Luka to catch the ball with a live dribble at the right spot for the action to start would take A LOT of pressure off of Luka. During most possessions, Rubio will be a ball mover, secondary playmaker and corner catch and shoot guy. And, I believe he'll be damn good at it.

DFS would be a huge loss, but imo, once you get over the shock and wrap your head around it, you'll come to the conclusion that Rubio is a much, much better player. Worth it, I think.

I also think they follow this up by signing Paul Milsap for 2 years at the MLE. There has been a rumor out there about him, but it didn't make sense to sigh him for more than one year, and it doesn't make sense that he'd sign here on a one year deal. He'll get better offers. But, if you imagine Rubio here, the two year deal makes more sense because they'd both expire in '22. Or, they could both be used as 1-year, expiring trade chips next summer if/when the Mavs find a sign-and-trade option they like with one of those free agents. Milsap was #4 in the NBA last year in net on/off rating, btw. He's still a difference maker, and would fit next to KP pretty damn well.

Boom. That's two edgy, veteran winners. That's a hell of an off-season and a chance to get out of the first round. The team would have a chance to be much better on both sides of the court.

The only downside to all of this, imo, is that it leaves them with Jackson being the only true SF option on the team. That's obviously not ideal. If you're an optimist and you think they'll get #10, there will definitely be a plug and play guy there. Hopefully Vassell, but SBey, at least. If not, maybe they draft Josh Green (who I'm not super high on) or Nesmith at #18? Or, maybe SBey even falls that far (probably not).

Hell, they might even be able to swap THJ in a separate deal for a forward. Not sure they'd want to, but it's a possibility.

Flame away, but I promise you I have an answer for everything. I've been fixated on this option for like 48 straight hours. Of all the (realistic) things that have been leaked, this is the scenario that makes the most sense to me, and I think it's telling that they have NOT allowed themselves to be linked publicly to Rubio. That seems very Mavs-esque.
I actually kind of like all of that, but let me ask, what makes you think this actually will happen? Other than simply thinking that it's something that realistically could happen?
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I actually kind of like all of that, but let me ask, what makes you think this actually will happen? Other than simply thinking that it's something that realistically could happen?
I think Chris Paul to PHX will happen. The rest is just based off of the leak of who might be involved. After thinking about it for way too long, this just seems like a Mavs move. It's really just a feeling I have. It might totally not happen at all, but out of everything I've heard/read/talked with people about these past two months, this is my favorite.
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I am ready to make my prediction. Some of you won't like this, but I feel like it's going to happen, and I want the credit if it does (lol).

I think that Chris Paul trade happens, and I think the Mavs' role in that deal will be to take on Ricky Rubio. They might also be angling for a pick swap (#10 for #18), in which case I believe the target would be either Vassell or SBey, but I'm pretty skeptical that OKC makes the deal without getting #10.

So, DFS/Wright outgoing, with Rubio coming in. OUTSIDE chance of #10 coming in with #18 (and probably #31) going out.

Before anyone freaks out about "how do Luka and Rubio play together" let me just say:

Rubio is still an EXCELLENT on-ball defender. His lineups with Booker last year were very positive in +/-, and actually, Rubio, himself was #7 in the league in on/off net rating. He was a plus in both offensive and defensive on/off. He's one of the most underrated players in the league, actually. His catch and shoot numbers from distance are much better than you think. He's improving as an off-ball shooter as he ages, much like Jason Kidd did.

I think the Mavs want a player to not only be a secondary playmaker (which he is MORE than qualified to be) but also play a little PG. If you can remember how Kidd would bring the ball up, survey the defense, get the team into the right set and then let JET actually run the play, you'll know what I mean. Even just bringing the ball up 20 times a game and allowing Luka to catch the ball with a live dribble at the right spot for the action to start would take A LOT of pressure off of Luka. During most possessions, Rubio will be a ball mover, secondary playmaker and corner catch and shoot guy. And, I believe he'll be damn good at it.

DFS would be a huge loss, but imo, once you get over the shock and wrap your head around it, you'll come to the conclusion that Rubio is a much, much better player. Worth it, I think.

I also think they follow this up by signing Paul Milsap for 2 years at the MLE. There has been a rumor out there about him, but it didn't make sense to sigh him for more than one year, and it doesn't make sense that he'd sign here on a one year deal. He'll get better offers. But, if you imagine Rubio here, the two year deal makes more sense because they'd both expire in '22. Or, they could both be used as 1-year, expiring trade chips next summer if/when the Mavs find a sign-and-trade option they like with one of those free agents. Milsap was #4 in the NBA last year in net on/off rating, btw. He's still a difference maker, and would fit next to KP pretty damn well.

Boom. That's two edgy, veteran winners. That's a hell of an off-season and a chance to get out of the first round. The team would have a chance to be much better on both sides of the court.

The only downside to all of this, imo, is that it leaves them with Jackson being the only true SF option on the team. That's obviously not ideal. If you're an optimist and you think they'll get #10, there will definitely be a plug and play guy there. Hopefully Vassell, but SBey, at least. If not, maybe they draft Josh Green (who I'm not super high on) or Nesmith at #18? Or, maybe SBey even falls that far (probably not).

Hell, they might even be able to swap THJ in a separate deal for a forward. Not sure they'd want to, but it's a possibility.

Flame away, but I promise you I have an answer for everything. I've been fixated on this option for like 48 straight hours. Of all the (realistic) things that have been leaked, this is the scenario that makes the most sense to me, and I think it's telling that they have NOT allowed themselves to be linked publicly to Rubio. That seems very Mavs-esque.

I’ll let you have this, but I want credit when we win the championship with Cole Anthony.
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If we get involved in the Paul trade I could see us winding up with the 25th pick instead of the 18th. We gotta pay something
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If we sacrifice the 31st pick, maybe OKC will take Jackson instead of DFS. Jackson is an expiring contract and supposedly OKC wants to clear the deck

So the trade on our end would be Jackson/Wright/31st/pick swap with OKC
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If we get involved in the Paul trade I could see us winding up with the 25th pick instead of the 18th. We gotta pay something
So, in my trade above, what the Mavs would be paying is DFS (fairly significant) and the service of taking Rubio's guaranteed money past next year off the shoulders of OKC, who's rebuilding (VERY significant). Mix in the idea that both PHX and Chris Paul are reportedly trying to find Oubre and Rubio good spots to land (this is why you get Dal and LAC involved at all) and it all makes sense to me.
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So, in my trade above, what the Mavs would be paying is DFS (fairly significant) and the service of taking Rubio's guaranteed money past next year off the shoulders of OKC, who's rebuilding (VERY significant). Mix in the idea that both PHX and Chris Paul are reportedly trying to find Oubre and Rubio good spots to land (this is why you get Dal and LAC involved at all) and it all makes sense to me.
But we are also giving OKC significant negative equity in Wright who has 2 years left on his contract as well. I'm not sure if DFS is enough of trade chip to overcome Wright AND still keep us in the deal

I would rather send Jackson instead of DFS and include a pick swap and the 31st. We'll still get a good player at 25 - possibly the same player that we would get at 18
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I, personally, would have little interest in DFS for Rubio at least not until many other scenarios are exhausted.
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I, personally, would have little interest in DFS for Rubio at least not until many other scenarios are exhausted.
Scenarios like what? Let's discuss them!
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I, personally, would have little interest in DFS for Rubio at least not until many other scenarios are exhausted.
Seems like quite a few mavs fans are quick to trade DFS.

Not sure why because he's the perfect type of long wing players you want to surround luka and KP with defensively.

The Mavs should be trying to add another defender to pair with DFS to give them more options on defense not take one of your only and best options away.

Did we not just see Miami play lights out defense to reach the finals with multiple long wings.

Aren't we tired of seeing little guys like Brunson, THJ and Curry get exposed do to bad matchups.
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Seems like quite a few mavs fans are quick to trade DFS.
No, no...none of that here on my end. I'm DFS's biggest fan, I promise you. I've been sticking up for him for YEARS.

But, there's absolutely no question that to get a player of value, a player who actually makes a difference, either DFS, Kleber, Curry or #18 is going to be outgoing, and possibly more than one of them. That's just how it is.

Clearly, you don't move one of them in a deal that makes you worse. That goes without saying. This is one that I believe makes them significantly better.
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Seems like quite a few mavs fans are quick to trade DFS.

Not sure why because he's the perfect type of long wing players you want to surround luka and KP with defensively.

The Mavs should be trying to add another defender to pair with DFS to give them more options on defense not take one of your only and best options away.

Did we not just see Miami play lights out defense to reach the finals with multiple long wings.

Aren't we tired of seeing little guys like Brunson, THJ and Curry get exposed do to bad matchups.
Rubio would be a clear and significant upgrade defensively from any of our guards. Would immediately be our best defender on the team even if dodo stayed. I once said he was meh on defense years back but man was I so wrong. He and Luka would be a better duo than Dragic and Luka.
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Rubio would be a clear and significant upgrade defensively from any of our guards. Would immediately be our best defender on the team even if dodo stayed. I once said he was meh on defense years back but man was I so wrong. He and Luka would be a better duo than Dragic and Luka.
Am I the only one concerned about Rubio's health? Anyway, Rubio's game is still improving. Maybe he's the next Nash? I hope Luka gets a big say in whichever player the Mavs trade for whether it is Buddy, Ricky, or someone else.
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Am I the only one concerned about Rubio's health? Anyway, Rubio's game is still improving. Maybe he's the next Nash? I hope Luka gets a big say in whichever player the Mavs trade for whether it is Buddy, Ricky, or someone else.
Well he's 30 so idk how much more improving he will do aside from being with better players...which will definitely help. The Nash comparison is a tough one because he is infinitely a better defender. Pass first high IQ guard is one of only a few similarities of the top of my head.
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So is reuniting Dragic and Luka not happening this year?
There would be hardly any drop off in playmaking if Dragic ran
the floor when Luka was off. Or is he going to be too expensive and
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So is reuniting Dragic and Luka not happening this year?
There would be hardly any drop off in playmaking if Dragic ran
the floor when Luka was off. Or is he going to be too expensive and
want to run it back with the Heat.
Great one. I actually think he was very high on their list.

I think Dragic wants to go back to Miami, and is negotiating other teams to leverage Miami into offering a multi-year deal. Remember when Dallas offered Tyson Chandler that one year deal after the championship because they thought they were getting Dwight Howard? There's lots of speculation that Riley will do that to Dragic. If they do, I can see him finding his way here, but if they offer him 2-3 years, I think he re-signs.

I would love Dragic here. I could see it happening. I think I like Rubio better because of age and defense, though.
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Doncic as SF in any depth chart hurts my eyes
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Doncic as SF in any depth chart hurts my eyes
I mean it's more about size than role. We still saw Rick playing guys from each category. Doncic played PG, but we still had Curry/Wright/Burke, etc on the floor
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DFS was our #1 defensive player and improved his 3pt shooting every year (.311->37.6 last)

He's also on a very friendly contract

Do you make him off limits? Absolutely not, but the dude has underrated value
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DFS was our #1 defensive player and improved his 3pt shooting every year (.311->37.6 last)

He's also on a very friendly contract

Do you make him off limits? Absolutely not, but the dude has underrated value
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DFS was our #1 defensive player and improved his 3pt shooting every year (.311->37.6 last)

He's also on a very friendly contract

Do you make him off limits? Absolutely not, but the dude has underrated value
Only way i trade any of DFS/Kleber/Curry is for an incoming allstar level type (who isnt 33y or older).

Too much value in their skill/salary combo
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DFS was our #1 defensive player and improved his 3pt shooting every year (.311->37.6 last)

He's also on a very friendly contract

Do you make him off limits? Absolutely not, but the dude has underrated value
That's exactly why he's intriguing for a team though. Mavs have pretty much said everyone is available but KP and Luka.....they don't have much trade value outside of those two. Makes it tough to make any moves.
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19.5 hours - Trades not involving drafted players can be finalized. Trades can be announced any time, obviously

75 hours - draft begins. Trades involving drafted players can be finalized (Wednesday night)

6pm Friday - Free agents can be contacted

10 days after FA begins, camps start

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Reminder:

19.5 hours - Trades not involving drafted players can be finalized. Trades can be announced any time, obviously

75 hours - draft begins. Trades involving drafted players can be finalized (Wednesday night)

6pm Friday - Free agents can be contacted

10 days after FA begins, camps start
I thought the transaction window technically opens at noon tmrw?

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I don't know about the timing and how it affects other moves as I have not been following as closely since the Mavericks were eliminated from the playoffs. I heard some fake team with some fake fans won the title.

Anyway, I just read that THJ and WCS both opted in. I'm pleased with that news. I look at it as if we have 14 players if we sign both of our draft picks. Sadly, Courtney Lee is out. I believe the same can be said for J.J. Barea and MKG. I really hope they can keep Trey Burke. If we have no other options that make sense... then I say bring back J.J.

Also I read that Buddy Hield's preferred destination is Dallas. After seeing what he makes for the next 4 years I don't think I like the idea of locking in our future like that. Why did the Kings remove him from the starting lineup?

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https://landonbuford.com/2020/11/13/...s-says-source/

Buddy Hield Wants Out Of Sacramento, Prefers Dallas, Says Source

That's the one thing that Dirk didn't have as a superstar-- the charisma/gravity to make players request a trade.

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